Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 Nov 2001 to 3 Nov 2001 (#2001-303) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 04/11/2001, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 351 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[MYSTARA]_Arcana_Mystara:_Astronomy_and_Astrology_(1/4) ?= 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[MYSTARA]_Sentient_Races_of_Mystara_-_L?= 3. [MYSTARA] Arcana Mystara: Astronomy and Astrology (1/4) 4. [MYSTARA] Arcana Mystara: Astronomy andAstrology (1/4) 5. Arcana Mystara: Astronomy and Astrology (1/4) 6. Ylaruam: Center of Mystaran Astronomy (4) 7. Rob Kuntz almost got an entry into the D&D/Mystara world ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:28:30 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Agathokles?= Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[MYSTARA]_Arcana_Mystara:_Astronomy_and_Astrology_(1/4)?= PiAyLiBBc3Rlcml1cy9EYW1vY2xlcw0KPiBXYXMgaXQgZGVzdHJveWVkIGJ5IHRoZSBjb21l dCBIZWw/IEZvciB0aGF0IG1hdHRlciwgaG93IHdhcw0KPiBBc3Rlcml1cy9EYW1vY2xlcyBk ZXN0cm95ZWQ/DQo+IA0KPiBJIGRvbid0IGtub3cuIEFuZCwgbXkgd3JpdGluZyBkb2VzIG5v dCBhdHRlbXB0IHRvIGFuc3dlciB0aGF0IGRpcmVjdGx5LiBUaGUNCj4gaHlwb3RoZXNpcyBv ZiBIZWwgY29sbGlkaW5nIGludG8gQXN0ZXJpdXMgaXMgaG93IG1hbnkgYXN0cm9ub21lcnMg YW5kDQo+IGFzdHJvbG9nZXJzIHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgaXQtLWFsdGhvdWdoIHRoZXJlIGlzIG5v IHByb29mLiBFdmVuIHRoZSBkYXRlIG9mIGl0cw0KPiBkZXN0cnVjdGlvbiBpc24ndCBjbGVh ci4NCg0KSWYgeW91IGdvIGJ5IG15IGhpc3Rvcnkgb2YgRGFtb2NsZXMsIGl0IHdhcyBkZXN0 cm95ZWQgYnkgdGhlIGF0dGVtcHQgbWFkZSBieSBQaGVhemFyIChtYWluIHZpbGxhaW4pIHRv IGhhcnZlc3QgdGhlIHBsYW5ldHMnIGVuZXJnaWVzLiBTaW5jZSBEYW1vY2xlcyB3YXMgbm90 IHN0YWJsZSAoaXQgd291bGRuJ3QgaGF2ZSBsYXN0ZWQgYXMgYSBmbGF0d29ybGQgd2l0aG91 dCBwb3dlcmZ1bCBtYWdpY2FsIGVuZXJnaWVzIHRoYXQgYmFsYW5jZWQgdGhlIHBoeXNpY2Fs IGZvcmNlcyksIHRoZSBzdWRkZW4gc2hpZnQgb2YgbWFnaWNhbCBiYWxhbmNlIG1hZGUgaXQg YnJlYWsgaW50byBhIG51bWJlciBvZiBhc3Rlcm9pZHMuDQoNCj4gMy4gVGhlIE5ldyBDZW50 ZXIgb2YgTW9kZXJuIEFzdHJvbm9teS9Bc3Ryb2xvZ3kNCj4gDQo+IEkgbXVzdCBhZG1pdCwg SSBteXNlbGYgYW0gbm90IHRvdGFsbHkgc29sZCBhdCB0aGUgaWRlYSB0aGF0IE1hc3RlciBU ZXJhcmkgaXMNCj4gbWFraW5nIHRoZSBLU29NIHRoZSBuZXcgY2VudGVyIGZvciBhc3Ryb25v bXkgYW5kIGFzdHJvbG9nZXIuIEl0IGlzDQo+IHBsYXVzaWJsZSwgeWVzLCBidXQgSSB0aGlu ayBpdCBpcyBtb3JlIGxpa2VseSB0aGF0IGhlIGhhcyBBbHBoYXRpYW4NCj4gYWxsaWVzLS0t bm90IGhlIGhpbXNlbGYtLXdobyBhcmUgdGhlIGV4cGVydCBhc3Ryb25vbWVycyBhbmQgYXN0 b2xvZ2Vycy4NCj4gDQo+IERvZXMgYW55b25lIGhhdmUgYW55IGlkZWFzIG9uIHRoaXM/IEFy ZSB0aGVyZSBvdGhlciBzY2hvb2xzL2NlbnRlcnMgb2YgbWFnaWMNCj4gdGhhdCB3b3VsZCBi ZSBsZWFkaW5nIHByb3BvbmVudHMgaW4gYXN0cm9ub215L2FzdHJvbG9neT8NCg0KVGhlIHN0 dWR5IG9mIGFzdHJvbm9teSBjb3VsZCBiZSB3ZWxsIGRldmVsb3BlZCBpbiBzZWFmYXJpbmcg bmF0aW9ucyAoVGh5YXRpcyBhbmQgTWlucm90aGFkKSwgZm9yIGl0cyBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMg aW4gbmF2aWdhdGlvbi4NClRoeWF0aWFuIG1hZ2VzLCBob3dldmVyLCB3b3VsZCBwcm9iYWJs eSBkaXNtaXNzIGFzdHJvbG9neSBhcyBzdXBlcnN0aW9uLg0KT1RPSCwgWWxhcnVhbSBzZWVt cyBhIGdvb2QgZ3Vlc3M6IGhpZ2ggY3VsdHVyYWwgbGV2ZWwsIHRoZXJlJ3Mgc29tZSBuZWVk IGZvciBuYXZpZ2F0aW9uIHRlY2huaXF1ZXMsIGFuZCBJSVJDIHRoZXJlIGlzIHNvbWUgbWVu dGlvbiBvZiBhc3Ryb25vbXkvYXN0cm9sb2d5IGluIHRoZSBHYXouIEFkZCB0aGUgZmFjdCB0 aGF0IEFsYXNpeWFuIHdpemFyZHMgdGVuZCB0byBiZSBtb3JlIG9mIHRoZSBhY2FkZW1pYyB0 eXBlIChtb3JlIHdpemFyZHMgd29yayBmb3IgdGhlIGdvdmVybm1lbnQgdGhhbiBpbiBtb3N0 IG90aGVyIG5hdGlvbnMpLCBhbmQgdGhhdCB0aGUgY2xpbWF0ZSBzaG91bGQgZmF2b3VyIGFz dHJvbm9taWMgb2JzZXJ2YXRpb25zLCBhbmQgeW91IGdldCBhIHBlcmZlY3QgYmFzZSBmb3Ig TXlzdGFyYW4gQXN0cm9sb2dlcnMuDQoKCgoJR2lhbXBhb2xvIEFnb3N0YQoKYWdhdGhva2xl c0BsaWJlcm8uaXQKYWdvc3RhQGVsZXQucG9saW1pLml0Cmh0dHA6Ly9kaWdpbGFuZGVyLmlv bC5pdC9hZ2F0aG9rbGVzL2luZGV4Lmh0bQ== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:40:16 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Agathokles?= Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[MYSTARA]_Sentient_Races_of_Mystara_-_L?= PiA+ID4gRnJvbTogIkFnYXRob2tsZXMiIDxhZ2F0aG9rbGVzQExJQkVSTy5JVD4NCj4gPiA+ IExhbWFyYSAoTGFtaWEgTm9ibGUpDQo+IFdlbGwsIEkga25vdyBvZiB0aGUgZXhpc3RlbmNl IG9mIGF0IGxlYXN0IG9uZSBsYW1hcmEgaGlkaW5nIGluIHRoZSBLbm93bg0KPiBXb3JsZC4u Lg0KPiBCdXQgSSdtIG5vdCByZXZlYWxpbmcgd2hlcmUuLi4NCj4gT2gsIGFsbCByaWdodCEg QSBoaW50Og0KDQpPaywgb2ssIGdvdCBpdC4gSSdsbCBhZGQgdGhlIGhpbnQgdG8gdGhlIExh bWFyYSBlbnRyeSA6KQ0KQlRXLCBkaWQgeW91IHB1dCB0aGF0IG5vdmVsbGEgc29tZXdoZXJl IGluIHRoZSBQYXBhcmF6emkgd2Vic2l0ZT8gSSBjb3VsZG4ndCBmaW5kIGl0Lg0KDQpHUAoK CglHaWFtcGFvbG8gQWdvc3RhCgphZ2F0aG9rbGVzQGxpYmVyby5pdAphZ29zdGFAZWxldC5w b2xpbWkuaXQKaHR0cDovL2RpZ2lsYW5kZXIuaW9sLml0L2FnYXRob2tsZXMvaW5kZXguaHRt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:51:18 +0000 From: Gilles Leblanc Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Arcana Mystara: Astronomy and Astrology (1/4) > > The study of astronomy could be well developed in seafaring nations > (Thyatis and Minrothad), for its applications in navigation. > Thyatian mages, however, would probably dismiss astrology as superstion. > OTOH, Ylaruam seems a good guess: high cultural level, there's some need > for navigation techniques, and IIRC there is some mention of > astronomy/astrology in the Gaz. Add the fact that Alasiyan wizards tend to > be more of the academic type (more wizards work for the government than in > most other nations), and that the climate should favour astronomic > observations, and you get a perfect base for Mystaran Astrologers. > I vote Ylaruam. 1 : Altough I don't remember exact names there were some early arabic physicists and astronomers IRL. 2 : It would give Ylaruam something more than religious strife. 3 : And finnally having Ylari astronomers could fit well with the Outer Beings ( which unless I am very stooopid are Lovecraft inspired, considering the mad arab Abdul Al-Hazred who penned the necronomicon was versed in astronomy and there are references to advanced mystical astronomy/astrology knowledge among egyptians and arabs in some Lovecraft tales ). 4 : Finnaly it would just be cool to have astronomers peering to the skies at night in the desert sky, near some palm trees as the wind rustle their leaves. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:31:34 +0100 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Arcana Mystara: Astronomy andAstrology (1/4) Gilles Leblanc wrote: > > I vote Ylaruam. > > 1 : Altough I don't remember exact names there were some early arabic > physicists and astronomers IRL. Yes, and the whole astronomic knowledge of the Greeks was lost during the Dark Ages in Europe, but was preserved by the arabian scholars, so that Claudius Ptolomaeus' work (the major astronomic theory before Copernicus) reached Europe through an Arabian translation. > 2 : It would give Ylaruam something more than religious strife. Well, bringing knowledge to the University in Ylaruam is an holy matter for the followers of the Eternal Truth, as it allows them to follow in the steps of Al Kalim, so sages in general would be in high standing with the religious hierarchy. > 4 : Finnaly it would just be cool to have astronomers peering to the skies > at night in the desert sky, near some palm trees as the wind rustle their > leaves. LOL! -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:37:59 -0600 From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Arcana Mystara: Astronomy and Astrology (1/4) >> The study of astronomy could be well developed in seafaring nations (Thyatis and Minrothad), for its applications in navigation. Thyatian mages, however, would probably dismiss astrology as superstion. OTOH, Ylaruam seems a good guess: high cultural level, there's some need for navigation techniques, and IIRC there is some mention of astronomy/astrology in the Gaz. Add the fact that Alasiyan wizards tend to be more of the academic type (more wizards work for the government than in most other nations), and that the climate should favour astronomic observations, and you get a perfect base for Mystaran Astrologers. > I vote Ylaruam. <> I would agree with Ylaruam. Is it worth considering the nations of the Savage Coast? Apart from the two sea powers, what about the Enduks? With the ancient Enduk star devices littered all over Nimmur. Eric Anondson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:34:01 +0800 From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" Subject: Ylaruam: Center of Mystaran Astronomy Hail Mystarans! Alright, I am convinced that the new center for Mystaran astronomy should be Ylaruam. Very cool idea indeed! It's back to the chopping board then! A few questions though: 1. Do the Ylari also lead in the superstitious/occult craft of astrology? Or do they focus mainly on scientific astronomy? 2. I don't have the Ylaruam GAZ. Could anyone who does have it help out by quoting whatever has been written? Names, places, descriptions? (Please e-mail me privately) 3. I don't know much about the Savage Coast and the Enduk star devices. Could anyone help out? What has been written about them? My idea would be that while the study of astronomy became focused, the study of astrology became fragmented and went underground. It would be found in several nations (including Ylaruam), but would remain an arcane/occult art. Lying down under the night sky under a palm tree, Kit Navarro fvnmd@info.com.ph ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:53:24 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Ylaruam: Center of Mystaran Astronomy From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" > > 1. Do the Ylari also lead in the superstitious/occult craft of astrology? Or > do they focus mainly on scientific astronomy? Only modern people distinguish the two. I would imagine that they pursue both and make no distinction between the two fields -- especially in a magical world where (yikes!) astrology might actually have some scientific validity. > 2. I don't have the Ylaruam GAZ. Could anyone who does have it help out by > quoting whatever has been written? Names, places, descriptions? (Please > e-mail me privately) I don't recall seeing any specific mentions of astronomy or astrology in Gaz 2. > 3. I don't know much about the Savage Coast and the Enduk star devices. > Could anyone help out? What has been written about them? One thing to point out is that the flying races who live in the mountains of the Arm of the Immortals would have several inherent advantages in observing the heavenly bodies, so they should have some lore of their own in that area. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 05:08:28 +0100 From: Sverre Midthjell Subject: Re: Ylaruam: Center of Mystaran Astronomy It would be really cool to have a nation that actually persecutes wizards to be the new centre of Astronomy (and Astrology - in a magical world I would think there is no real difference). I am all for Ylaruam! And the RW parallel is very appropriate indeed. The old arabs were very knowledgeable in the way of astronomy. - Count Mzilikazi > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of David Knott > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 2:53 AM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Ylaruam: Center of Mystaran Astronomy > > > From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" > > > > > 1. Do the Ylari also lead in the superstitious/occult craft of > astrology? > Or > > do they focus mainly on scientific astronomy? > > Only modern people distinguish the two. I would imagine that they > pursue both and make no distinction between the two fields -- > especially in a magical world where (yikes!) astrology might actually > have some scientific validity. > > > 2. I don't have the Ylaruam GAZ. Could anyone who does have it > help out by > > quoting whatever has been written? Names, places, descriptions? (Please > > e-mail me privately) > > I don't recall seeing any specific mentions of astronomy or astrology > in Gaz 2. > > > 3. I don't know much about the Savage Coast and the Enduk star devices. > > Could anyone help out? What has been written about them? > > One thing to point out is that the flying races who live in the mountains > of the Arm of the Immortals would have several inherent advantages > in observing the heavenly bodies, so they should have some lore of > their own in that area. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:16:02 +1000 From: Michael Diehm Subject: Re: Rob Kuntz almost got an entry into the D&D/Mystara world What an unfortunate name! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:25:46 -0600 From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Ylaruam: Center of Mystaran Astronomy > 3. I don't know much about the Savage Coast and the Enduk star devices. > Could anyone help out? What has been written about them? Everything that you might want to know was in the Orc's Head Peninsula Campaign Book, which was turned to html and is hosted on the Vaults of Pandius. Here is the link. http://www.dnd.starflung.com/orcshead.html Of particular interest regarding the Star Devices are the entries for Nimmur and the Manscorpions, and the Ee'aar and Enduks. Eric Anondson ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 Nov 2001 to 3 Nov 2001 (#2001-303) **************************************************************