Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 11 Nov 2001 to 12 Nov 2001 (#2001-311) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 13/11/2001, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 29 messages totalling 907 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Minotaur dilemma (4) 2. Green orcish blood? (2) 3. Green orcish blood, why not (3) 4. Secret Uber Vampire Variants (was: Flames) (4) 5. Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) (6) 6. What about Gnoll (6) 7. Wat about gnoll (3) 8. R: Re: [MYSTARA] What about Gnoll ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:37:01 +0200 From: Ville V Lahde Subject: Re: The Minotaur dilemma For those of you who are writing stuff on Mystaran minotaurs? How about the "barbaric" deity Gylgarid, who was intoruced in the module "Crown of Ancient Glory".(X13?) According to the module, some barbarian tribes of the Heldann Freeholds worship Gylgarid. Minotaurs were a constant theme in their religious imagery. IMC I wrote some adventures centering on the cult of Gylgarid, after their main base of worship was destroyed in Gyl Erid (the above mentioned module). There was a tribe of the Bull, living in the area surrounding Gyl Erid, with shamanic worship of Bull totems. Also there was a minotaur fortress in the southern foothills of the Mengul mountains. Ville ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:20:34 -0800 From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: The Minotaur dilemma > But I think that the minotaur curse have been used several times in the past by some Immortals. Thus we would have whole clans of minotaurs that are cursed humans, plus the foolish ones that wished to be strong as bulls, plus whatever you can come to think of. How about Ixion invented a curse spell that would turn humans into minotaurs, and he used it several times. He shared the spell with other Immortals, who also created other strains of minotaurs, and sometimes altered the spell to reflect their bias by creating other cursed creatures. That way you have the origin for all minotaurs, be they cursed peoples who fell from grace or people that wished to be as strong as bulls and were cursed for their interruoting their Immortals for petty desires spun from their vanity; these cursed could have happened all throughout history, at different times and places, with different cursing Immortals, with different effects of the curse (in terms of powers and drawbacks), and with variations (kobolds with bulls heads? could those toadmen be humans cursed by a Toad Immortal?) ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:51:15 +0800 From: Rebecca Laffar-Smith Subject: Re: Green orcish blood? > Another factor is that pale human flesh appears pinkish largely > because of the red blood in it. When people suffocate their skin > turns bluish because the blood changes color. If orcs have green > blood, they're also likely to have flesh ranging from greenish to > brownish. (The RC doesn't say what color their skin is, so it's up to > you) Do all humans with pinkish (Caucasian) skin have red blood? Yes Do all humans have red blood? Yes Then how can it be skin colour helps determine it? Dark skinned people (black or otherwise) don't have black blood, there blood is still red. I don't think skin colour really has much to do with it. Have fun and keep gaming Yours Truly Rebecca Outlanda Games! A medieval fantasy role playing (RPG) site. - http://laffarsmith.brinkster.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:24:38 +0100 From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Green orcish blood, why not well, as long as hemoglobine still carries oxygene and that hemeglobine ha= s iron in it, then blood will be red. But in a world where fantasy rule, why not having blood which is green... thib ----Message d'origine---- > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:51:15 +0800 > De: Rebecca Laffar-Smith > Sujet: Re: =5BMYSTARA=5D Green orcish blood? > A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> Another factor is that pale human flesh appears pinkish largely >> because of the red blood in it. When people suffocate their > skin >> turns bluish because the blood changes color. If orcs have > green >> blood, they're also likely to have flesh ranging from greenish > to >> brownish. (The RC doesn't say what color their skin is, so it's > up to >> you) > > Do all humans with pinkish (Caucasian) skin have red blood? Yes > Do all humans have red blood? Yes > Then how can it be skin colour helps determine it? Dark skinned > people (black or otherwise) don't have black blood, there > blood is still red. I don't think skin colour really has much to > do > with it. > > Have fun and keep gaming > Yours Truly > Rebecca > Outlanda Games=21 A medieval fantasy role playing (RPG) site. - > http://laffarsmith.brinkster.net > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177 homepage www.mystara.fr.st join me at thibsylv=40club-internet.fr or at clenarius=40hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:51:36 EST From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Secret Uber Vampire Variants (was: Flames) <<> 7) My Secret Uber Vampire Variants > > Are these in the Vaults? If so, could someone guide me to them? I'd be interested in taking a look.>> Sorry. But that project is under construction and can only be found on my hard drive and my own mind. Like so many of my projects (past, present, and future) time is a problem that hinders their completion. Sorry. One day it will be done, then the flames may begin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:06:46 EST From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) From: "Alex Benson" > > And soon to be added to the mix........ > 5) My PS crossover material > 6) My DV races/cultures > 7) My Secret Uber Vampire Variants > 8) My Mystaran Secret Sects and Brotherhoods. > How about: 9) Debates over rule systems (0E vs. 2E vs. 3E).=A0 Whoever includes game stats in their material is likely to give stats for only one or perhaps two of the possible rule systems.=A0 Then the flames can start over "Why didn't you include X rules?", "Because X rules suck!", etc.>> dang!!! how'd i overlook that one? it it also introduces Flame 9a: Game=20 System Superiority. In my projects I am using ADnD 2nd ed. Rules. I don't have the Masters Box=20 Set or the RC. And I have not messed with any of the 3E rules yet. I tend to= =20 view 2E as a better rules system for presentation to a group using various=20 rules systems. 2E can easily converted to DnD or 3E. =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:10:22 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Green orcish blood, why not --- Wizards Shopper well, as long as hemoglobine still carries oxygene > and that hemeglobine has iron in it, then blood will > be red. > But in a world where fantasy rule, why not having > blood which is green... Maybe Mystaran hemoglobine is different and is green even if it has iron in it. Or maybe orcs have some other substance Goblinglobine(?) which also can carry oxygen. In any case, no Mystaran IMC have ever heard of hemoglobine. Probably not even oxygene (at least in the scientific sense).. Havard ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Norge - no.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:18:05 EST From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) <<> 6) My DV races/cultures > Pshaw (Pgnome?) I for one am waiting to see your DV stuff, as mine seems to have been sucked into the black hole of "need thesis done by december".>> I don't have a thesis due, but my P-Gnomes have been side saddled in a similar blackhole. One of the big problems with my DV races/cultures is that they are sort of bundled together. There is alot of crossover in their histories, motives, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:35:19 EST From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Green orcish blood? > Another factor is that pale human flesh appears pinkish largely > because of the red blood in it. When people suffocate their skin > turns bluish because the blood changes color. If orcs have green > blood, they're also likely to have flesh ranging from greenish to > brownish. (The RC doesn't say what color their skin is, so it's up to > you) > Do all humans with pinkish (Caucasian) skin have red blood? Yes Do all humans have red blood? Yes Then how can it be skin colour helps determine it? Dark skinned people (black or otherwise) don't have black blood, there blood is still red. I don't think skin colour really has much to do with it.>> I'd like to point out that I am color blind...seriously. My blood does looks black, fresh blood looks dark grey. But I am a freak...I use to color blue jeans with purple or violet crayons as a kid. I'll let yall figure out how I handle traffic lights. Sking color is based primariliy on pigment content. And technically it is not color, but tint/hue. More pigment darker skin. Diet and disease can also affect it. Skin color is not determined by blood color. Blood color is determined by oxidiation. Blood darkens when exposed to air. To my knowledge all blood is red...at least to you normal folks. The exceptions are those drinking Gatorade, but I think that that is a marketing ploy for the commercials :-) Being a fantasy setting, it is a moot point. IIRC Dark Knight of Karameikos has amention about orc blood being green or blue. I stuck with red for blood. Personal preference. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:20:26 -0500 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Alex Benson wrote: > I don't have a thesis due, but my P-Gnomes have been side saddled in a > similar blackhole. One of the big problems with my DV races/cultures is that > they are sort of bundled together. There is alot of crossover in their > histories, motives, etc. What I wouldn't give to be _paid_ to write. The Almanacs keep coming out and I can't keep up with them, and I missed the deadline for my events, and now I have to put back Thimhallan's intro for another year, and AGH! Not even that, but Thimhallan isn't even COMPLETE on the Vaults yet. :( Ethan - MS MS MS -- Kinard 210 Linux Guru Webmaster www.steelangel.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:56:40 -0800 From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) >> How about: 9) Debates over rule systems (0E vs. 2E vs. 3E). Whoever includes game stats in their material is likely to give stats for only one or perhaps two of the possible rule systems. Then the flames can start over "Why didn't you include X rules?", "Because X rules suck!", etc.>> << Lol. And don't forget: 10) Immortal's Gold box vs. WotI dimensional physics. 11) Heardsian space vs Spelljammer space. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:17:08 +0000 From: Gilles Leblanc Subject: Re: Secret Uber Vampire Variants (was: Flames) > > > > > Are these in the Vaults? If so, could someone guide me to them? I'd be > interested in taking a look.>> > > Sorry. But that project is under construction and can only be found on my > hard drive and my own mind. Like so many of my projects (past, present, and > future) time is a problem that hinders their completion. > > Sorry. One day it will be done, then the flames may begin. No there are info on Mystaran vampires on the vaults, tough not stats. Go to the Vaults , press the SEARCH button type in vampire. Im not going to do that for you and email you the link tough, you can't be that lazy. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:37:15 +0200 From: Eijerzz * Subject: What about Gnoll Who would like discus about Gnoll in Mystara and in Burn ? P.S. This is my very first mail, so hello everyone in this ML Eij ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:36:55 -0600 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: What about Gnoll Welcome and Salutations! What would you like to discuss about Gnolls? IMC they have overthrown King Albane in the Broken Lands and are causing all kinds of trouble for the Elves of Alfhiem. A delegation from The Great Waste are soon to arrive (maybe ;-) to help deal with the problem. Multizar the Mage and evil DM > From: Eijerzz * > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] What about Gnoll > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:37:15 +0200 > > Who would like discus about Gnoll in Mystara and in Burn ? > > P.S. > This is my very first mail, so hello everyone in this ML > > Eij > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:49:40 +0100 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: What about Gnoll Eijerzz * wrote: > > Who would like discus about Gnoll in Mystara and in Burn ? > > P.S. > This is my very first mail, so hello everyone in this ML Welcome! Since you didn't post a specific question about Gnolls, I'll just repost the Gnoll entry from the Sentient Races of Mystara list, FYI. Gnoll One of the major goblinoid race, the Gnolls are not direct descendents of the Beastmen. They are found in a large area of Brun extending east of Soderfjord and the Emirates of Ylaruam up to the Grande Carrascal in the Savage Coast. They seem to disappear right north of the Broken Lands and Graakhalia, so they are limited to temperate or hot, arid climates. However, a northern subspecies, probably living in the Midlands of Brun, is reported in the "Orcs of Thar" Gazetteer. Major Gnoll societies are modeled on the local strongest model--desert nomad tribes in Ylaruam, shamanistic hunter-gatherers in Graakhalia, and human baronies in the Savage Coast. References: Orcs of Thar Gaz, Savage Coast Campaign Setting, Champions of Mystara, Northern Reaches Gaz. If you have any question/idea, just tell us. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:57:02 +0100 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Secret Uber Vampire Variants (was: Flames) Gilles Leblanc wrote: > > >Are these in the Vaults? If so, could someone guide me to them? I'd be > >interested in taking a look.>> > > > >Sorry. But that project is under construction and can only be found on my > >hard drive and my own mind. > > No there are info on Mystaran vampires on the vaults, tough not stats. I think the discussion was pointing more to a specific vampire project by Alex. However, it is true that there is info on Mystaran Vampires (http://dnd.starflung.com/races.html#vamp), though at present it only includes my list of vampiric bloodlines ;) -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:08:09 -0800 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: The Minotaur dilemma > How about Ixion invented a curse spell that would > turn humans into minotaurs, > and he used it several times. He shared the spell > with other Immortals, who > also created other strains of minotaurs, and > sometimes altered the spell to > reflect their bias by creating other cursed > creatures. I like this one. But why restrict it to an immortal curse? One could have it a priest or mage spell. Maybe some immortals grant it in different ways, some as a permenant curse, and others that can be broken in some way but if they are not they could have minotaur children which were then not cureable. Perhaps there could be a highly advanced forms of this spell like sleep curse from DotE. One could turn a village into minotaurs and maybe one could turn large numbers temporarally into minotaurs (say part of an army). What do you think? Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:21:40 +0100 From: la Volpe Subject: Re: What about Gnoll Eijerzz * wrote: > Who would like discus about Gnoll in Mystara and in Burn ? > > P.S. > This is my very first mail, so hello everyone in this ML > > Eij Uhm, wonder if Eij is still on the list, considering this e-mail was sent on the 26th of October and it didn't show up 'til now. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:46:59 +0200 From: Eijerzz * Subject: Wat about gnoll I think taht the "Orks of Thar" describes well humanoids in this land, = but we have no ideas about the other gnollish tribes in the other States = of Brun ( Darokin Rep., Karam. etc...). What about their societies? = They' re like their relatives of the Broken Lands? Tnx=20 Eij P.S. Almeno non sono l'unico italiano qui dentro! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:29:26 -0500 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: The Minotaur dilemma --- Original Message --- > For those of you who are writing stuff on Mystaran minotaurs? How about the "barbaric" deity Gylgarid, who was intoruced in the module "Crown of Ancient Glory".(X13?) < For that matter, how about the people of Vacros (module MSOLO2: Maze of the Riddling Minotaur) who had numerous minotaur servants? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:00:18 +0100 From: Eijerzz * Subject: R: Re: [MYSTARA] What about Gnoll ----- Original Message ----- From: la Volpe To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] What about Gnoll > Eijerzz * wrote: > > > Who would like discus about Gnoll in Mystara and in Burn ? > > > > P.S. > > This is my very first mail, so hello everyone in this ML > > > > Eij > > Uhm, wonder if Eij is still on the list, considering this e-mail was sent > > on the 26th of October and it didn't show up 'til now. I've send it now (12.11.01), it's just a little clock's problem on my pc ! EIJ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:05:52 -0700 From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) > 9) Debates over rule systems (0E vs. 2E vs. 3E). Whoever includes > game stats in their material is likely to give stats for only one or > perhaps two of the possible rule systems. Then the flames can > start over "Why didn't you include X rules?", "Because X rules > suck!", etc. > Nice... in fact, I kind of miss those arguments. I think that's probably the most entertaining thing to watch people go back and forth over. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:07:44 -0700 From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Flames (was: Rebecca's Green Orc Blood Message) > > 2) The desire to introduce in the setting Psionicists, Technomancy, > > Technology > > or Chronomancy > > Not So Not so! > > I introduced Technomancy quoite easily, with little debate :) > Ok we'll change 2) to Whether or not introducing in the settings Psionicists, Technomancy, Technology, or Chronomancy causes an argument ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:08:31 -0800 From: The Stalker Subject: Re: What about Gnoll On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:49:40 +0100, Agathokles wrote: > Eijerzz * wrote: >> >> Who would like discus about Gnoll in Mystara and in Burn ? >> >> P.S. >> This is my very first mail, so hello everyone in this ML > > Welcome! > > Since you didn't post a specific question about Gnolls, I'll just repost > the Gnoll entry from the Sentient Races of Mystara list, FYI. > > Gnoll > One of the major goblinoid race, the Gnolls are not direct > descendents of the Beastmen. > They are found in a large area of Brun extending east of > Soderfjord and the Emirates of Ylaruam up to the Grande Carrascal in the > Savage Coast. > They seem to disappear right north of the Broken Lands and > Graakhalia, so they are limited to temperate or hot, arid climates. > However, a northern subspecies, probably living in the Midlands of Brun, > is reported in the "Orcs of Thar" Gazetteer. > Major Gnoll societies are modeled on the local strongest > model--desert nomad tribes in Ylaruam, shamanistic hunter-gatherers in > Graakhalia, and human baronies in the Savage Coast. > References: Orcs of Thar Gaz, Savage Coast Campaign Setting, > Champions of Mystara, Northern Reaches Gaz. > > If you have any question/idea, just tell us. > -- > I'd like to add that module B10: Night's Dark Terror also establishes a fair amount of Gnolls in the Wufwolde Hills of Karameikos, no doubt the descendant of the "beast men" that mostly annihilated (and vice versa) the Traldar culture around BC 1000. I may be wrong, but weren't Mystaran gnolls created as troll/gnome (GNOme+troLL=GNOLL) hybrids to mimic Pflarr's Hutaakans? I think I recall a reference suggesting that, parhaps in the HW DM's sourcebook... Oh, and welcome to the list, Eijerzz. Always good to see some new blood [insert nefarious smile here] ;) - The Stalker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:49:27 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Green orcish blood, why not From: "Havard Faanes" > > In any case, no Mystaran IMC have ever heard of > hemoglobine. Probably not even oxygene (at least in > the scientific sense).. Of course not. Oxygen (and, for that matter, iron) are not elements to Mystarans -- to them, the elements are earth, air, fire, and water. Give Mystarans the magical equivalent of an electron microscope, and I suspect that we would be as surprised as they would be by what they see under it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:54:10 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Wat about gnoll From: "Eijerzz *" > I think taht the "Orks of Thar" describes well humanoids in this land, > but we have no ideas about the other gnollish tribes in the other States > of Brun ( Darokin Rep., Karam. etc...). What about their societies? > They' re like their relatives of the Broken Lands? Most likely they are fairly similar, as that gazetteer does make specific mention of goblinoids in the Known World region and even further away. I would imagine that the Savage Coast, the Arm of the Immortals, Davania, and Skothar are all far enough removed from the Broken Lands to introduce the possibility of radically different goblinoid societies in those locations. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:56:00 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Secret Uber Vampire Variants (was: Flames) From: "Alex Benson" > <<> 7) My Secret Uber Vampire Variants > > > > > Are these in the Vaults? If so, could someone guide me to them? I'd be > interested in taking a look.>> > > Sorry. But that project is under construction and can only be found on my > hard drive and my own mind. Like so many of my projects (past, present, and > future) time is a problem that hinders their completion. > > Sorry. One day it will be done, then the flames may begin. But of course -- isn't fire one of the few effective ways to deal with vampires, uber or otherwise? Clearly any adventure involving vampires with unknown weaknesses should involve considerably flames! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:10:32 -0500 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Wat about gnoll Eijerzz * wrote: > I think taht the "Orks of Thar" describes well humanoids in this land, but we have no ideas about the other gnollish tribes in the other States of Brun ( Darokin Rep., Karam. etc...). What about their societies? They' re like their relatives of the Broken Lands? Well, as mentioned by Stalker in another message, there are Gnolls in Karameikos, and I suppose these tribes are even more primitive than those in South Gnollistan. They are most likely followers of Thanatos and Ranivorous (death cults). Tribes in Darokin (Orclands) may be integrated in the larger orcish society, or be Oenkmarian refugees (and therefore culturally advanced, with a variant of the Azcan civilization, followers of Atzanteotl). In Graakhalia (subterranean areas below the Sind region), Gnolls and Elves have formed a mixed society, concentrated on surviving in that hostile environment. They are probably shamanistic, but not evil (more similar to the Atruaghin, perhaps). Further west, we find the Gnolls of El Grande Carrascal. These had a culture similar to that of Atruaghin Children of the Horse, but, due to increasing contacts with humans, they are developing a Baronial nation modeled over Cimarron. As a general idea, I think that Gnoll society tend to copy much from whatever strong culture there is near the Gnoll tribes. > Almeno non sono l'unico italiano qui dentro! :) No di certo, ci siamo io ed il capitano Scaevola, come minimo :) -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:13:10 -0500 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: What about Gnoll The Stalker wrote: > > I may be wrong, but weren't Mystaran gnolls created as troll/gnome > (GNOme+troLL=GNOLL) hybrids to mimic Pflarr's Hutaakans? I think I recall a > reference suggesting that, parhaps in the HW DM's sourcebook... Right, this was already suggested in the Gnoll entry in the red boxed set (Basic), and perhaps even earlier, and then developed by adding the reference to Hutaakans. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 11 Nov 2001 to 12 Nov 2001 (#2001-311) ****************************************************************