Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 May 2002 to 3 May 2002 (#2002-120) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 04/05/2002, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 467 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. ESDs (4) 2. Blackmoor material and ESDs outside the US 3. VS: [MYSTARA] Magic and Society (2) 4. Psionics in George's Campaign (2) 5. Trying Something (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 07:00:51 -0400 From: Pat Subject: Re: ESDs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion > [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Chris Furneaux > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:55 AM > What the hell does an ESD's shipping policys have to > do with getting the product. Of course it cannot be > shipped, it's electronic. It is coppied or transfered. > If someone can put up a decent case why shipping has > nothing to do with the price of fish (hey, bad pun) we > might all be able to get them. But then I am not a > lawyer... I posted it once already, but short version is tax regimes. Look in the archives to get the full story Pat patsite@calandyr.com "Don't think! Just pick up that phone, and make it happen!" - Scully, The X-Files ABV89-0570-KY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:18:53 -0700 From: Roger Winter Subject: Blackmoor material and ESDs outside the US I was under the impression that the reason WotC do not sell direct to the UK and other territories is in part that they have licensed those rights to local distributors. But back to my main subject. I've been rereading DA1-4, and I would like to start a Blackmoor campaign. I've got a download of the original Blackmoor supplement, and my hunger for more has been awoken. Are any of the following available online anywhere? The First Fantasy Campaign, Dave Arneson, Judges Guild, 1977-80 Garbage Pits of Despair (Different Worlds #42-43) Dave Arneson, May-Aug 1986 Facts About Blackmoor (Domesday Book #13, pp. 6-8) Dave Arneson, 1972 If you're interested, these hold loads of good stuff: http://home.earthlink.net/~zimriel/Blackmoor Blackmoor: Home of the Ancients, David Ross's site has a wealth of fantastic downloads. http://www.dnd.starflung.com/blkmoor.html http://www.castleblackmoor.com/ Dave Arneson's site. Includes downloads of the original players map and Blackmoor supplement, with more to follow. It also mentions he is working on 3e Blackmoor, but no details. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:47:39 -0500 From: Giorgio Subject: Re: VS: [MYSTARA] Magic and Society -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of macnerd Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:41 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] VS: [MYSTARA] Magic and Society (snip) Macnerd, Can you give an overview of the world & city spells used in the games you mentioned (MOM, Warlords, AOW)? Id be interested in reading about them, as its something I plan on covering in my Magic & Society email. George ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:47:37 -0500 From: Giorgio Subject: Re: Psionics in George's Campaign -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of Chris Furneaux Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:43 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Psionics in George's Campaign > I believe it is just a campaign specific war that > George is useing as background to create some turmoil > in the Old world. So I wouldn't think so. The details > were posted on the list so it's in the archives: > http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0204C&L=mystara-l&P=R3630 Yup, that is it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention , I think its time I update the timeline to add a few new developments... George ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:09:21 EDT From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Trying Something The other day I made a decision of sorts in regards to some of my ongoing projects. I decided that since some utilize new game mechanics they need a proper game introduction of sorts. What I decided upon was a return to the D&D Red Box. In that set you played and learned the basics of the game while in-character. That format is what I am going for. I am going to start it with the M-Vampire since it utilizes alot of new game mechanics. The reader will be introduced into the M-WoD as if he (male for the purpose of this project) had been embraced and had to go through the initial training stages of being a vampire. The only drawback that I see is that certain aspects will be biased based upon perspectives that the in-character narrative is embroilled in. I shopuld be able to give a more precise account by adding DM Notes type entries into the text. There still is no estimated time for these to be completed as it now requires another rewrite. Plus, I am still ironing out some of the game mechanics (simplifying them). I do plan on posting a teaser within the coming days, probably a multi-part teaser. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 17:58:17 -0300 From: Tzimisce Subject: Re: Psionics in George's Campaign > > I'm curious about one thing: what was the Inhuman > > War? Does it have any > > relation with the Inhuman Wars from Spelljammer? > > I believe it is just a campaign specific war that > George is useing as background to create some turmoil > in the Old world. So I wouldn't think so. The details > were posted on the list so it's in the archives: > > http://oracle.wizards.com/archives/mystara-l.html > > Specifically: > < > http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0204C&L=mystara-l&P=R3630 > > > > Hope that helps. Thanks for the link! It really help me. I specially liked of Drazen´s idea: a psionic hobgoblin warlord. It's original and very cool. Tzimiscedracul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:41:03 -0700 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: ESDs >> What the hell does an ESD's shipping policys have >> to do with getting the product. Of course it cannot >> be shipped, it's electronic. It is coppied or >> transfered. If someone can put up a decent case why >> shipping has nothing to do with the price of fish >> (hey, bad pun) we might all be able to get them. >> But then I am not a lawyer... > I posted it once already, but short version is tax > regimes. > Look in the archives to get the full story No, that point is not the one I was raising. What I was saying is that it is possible that you could not say correctly say "an ESD is shipped to someone through the internet" as the requirements for the ESD to shipped can not be met by it being sent as data through the internet. It would have to be sent in some physical form which it could be argued that data was not. The exception would be is somewhere it had been ruled that the transfer of data via the internet was actually classified as shipping that data, not simply sanding that data. This could be an internal clasification that would need to be stated or implied to a sufficent degree (I think) or a legal one. However I don't really know if either of these exist as I don't know U.S. law and it is possible to "ship" an ESD if it is put on some form of data storage (i.e. a CD) and "shipped" to it's destination. That I could see as having major distribution issues outside the U.S. bassed on local distributers rights. But as for the transfer by the internet I was wondering if it is reasonable to interpret the policy on the site of no "shipping" to particular countrys as not restricting the transfer of an ESD to one of those countries as long as it is not shipped (i.e. via the internet). Opinions. The point is easily made mute if wizards simply changed the term from "shipped" to something more appropriate for the actual merchandise. Of course I am not a lawyer so I do not know for sure anything it is only a postulation/thought. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:49:52 -0700 From: macnerd Subject: Re: ESDs It sucks. That's the nature of business. In the computer industry, we faced this many times. We saw the precious Amigas go bye-bye. Many on the PC also liked OS/2, but that's bye-bye. That is just the nature of things. However, perhaps some entity can get a license of Mystara and republish the material as well as offer new material. - Joaquin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of The Stalker > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:08 PM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] ESDs > > > On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:28:19 +0000, Agathokles > wrote: > > >macnerd wrote: > >> > >> Also, you have to look at the numbers game. We are too > >> few unfortunately. I know that is harsh to accept, but > >> that the truth. I am just grateful that the PDFs exist > >> at all. > > > >Uhm, if they exist but we can't get them, it is not much > better than it > >would be if they didn't exist, is it? > > > >BTW, Hasbro not having (or not being able to raise) the > infrastructure > >to sell abroad is simply unrealistic. More likely, it's just that the > >revenue would be too low (compared to Hasbro's size) to be > interesting > >for them. > >-- > > > > Yep, that's it precisely - we're few so we don't matter. They > won't make > enough money on us, so they don't care whether we get screwed > or not. So > much for customer support. Fine if you live in states or one > of the "select > few" countries, but "well, tough - deal with it!" if you don't. > > And they don't even have the decency to say that. *THAT* is > what I find > contemptible. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:53:05 -0700 From: macnerd Subject: Re: ESDs > macnerd wrote: > > > > Also, you have to look at the numbers game. We are too > > few unfortunately. I know that is harsh to accept, but > > that the truth. I am just grateful that the PDFs exist > > at all. > > Uhm, if they exist but we can't get them, it is not much > better than it > would be if they didn't exist, is it? > > BTW, Hasbro not having (or not being able to raise) the infrastructure > to sell abroad is simply unrealistic. More likely, it's just that the > revenue would be too low (compared to Hasbro's size) to be interesting > for them. True. There's a difference between a innovative game company and a big huge beast that only looks and numbers and seldom creates innovation themselves... :-) But remember that infastrucutre also includes management. And like I said, they don't have the infrastructure to accomplish this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:04:51 -0700 From: macnerd Subject: Re: Trying Something I also thought of the idea of re-creating the box'd sets and introducing D&D3e rules, piece by piece. - Joaquin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Alex Benson > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:09 AM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trying Something > > > The other day I made a decision of sorts in regards to some > of my ongoing > projects. I decided that since some utilize new game > mechanics they need a > proper game introduction of sorts. > > What I decided upon was a return to the D&D Red Box. In that > set you played > and learned the basics of the game while in-character. That > format is what I > am going for. > > I am going to start it with the M-Vampire since it utilizes > alot of new game > mechanics. The reader will be introduced into the M-WoD as if > he (male for > the purpose of this project) had been embraced and had to go > through the > initial training stages of being a vampire. > > The only drawback that I see is that certain aspects will be > biased based > upon perspectives that the in-character narrative is > embroilled in. I shopuld > be able to give a more precise account by adding DM Notes > type entries into > the text. > > There still is no estimated time for these to be completed as > it now requires > another rewrite. Plus, I am still ironing out some of the > game mechanics > (simplifying them). I do plan on posting a teaser within the > coming days, > probably a multi-part teaser. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:07:27 -0700 From: macnerd Subject: Re: VS: [MYSTARA] Magic and Society OK. However, I had a problem because my Master's and Magic CD got busted and Microprose doesn't give a cr@#. I'll get a list out. It'll take some work, but I think it'll be valuable. I think Mystara has some good points to create war, merchant, political campaigns and perhaps a combination of them all in additional as individual character development. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Giorgio > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:48 AM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] VS: [MYSTARA] Magic and Society > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of macnerd > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:41 PM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] VS: [MYSTARA] Magic and Society > > (snip) > > Macnerd, > > Can you give an overview of the world & city spells used in > the games you > mentioned (MOM, Warlords, AOW)? > > Id be interested in reading about them, as its something I > plan on covering > in my Magic & Society email. > > George > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 May 2002 to 3 May 2002 (#2002-120) **************************************************************