Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 9 Aug 2002 to 10 Aug 2002 (#2002-206) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 11/08/2002, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 6 messages totalling 316 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? (5) 2. Thyatian translation for Mr.George ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:44:32 -0700 From: Darth Darknerd Subject: Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? I was curious about the Vorloi clan. The Thyatians reflect the Byzantium Empire, except Hattia, which seems closer to the Holy Roman Empire established by Otto the Great. The names of origin are a mixture of Greek and Roman, which I dubb Greco-Roman. And Hattia is Germanic. I posted a list of Thyatian names at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/ShadowTriad/ThyatianNames.html I also had one for Traladarans, but I am still searching for that one. Traladaran names reflect names from Wallacia and Transylvania in east-central Europe. I couldn't even begin to go into the different languages involved in that... Anyhow the simple fact is that "Vorloi" is a Traladaran name and definately is not Thyatian. Bruce even mentioned this was a mistake. But hey, it's published... So, what I am asking the list, is what creative story can we make up to show why Vorloi is Thyatian, but yet Vorloi?? What ever creative background, it should still fit with the GAZ1 and Karameikos boxed set. I took a stab at it, and I thought that maybe Vorloi was actually a Traladaran clan of rich merchants that could not expand and grow due to other clan rivalry. Maybe the Radu clan pushed them out. They had many business relations in Thyatis and Minrothad Guilds, and so became an international entity, which is very rare is those days. Seeing greater opportunities in Thyatis, the Vorloi relocated to Thyatis and became citizens roughly 80 years ago (2 or 3 generations). The Vorloi intermarried with Thyatian houses, and is thus mixed. Now, they are mostly Thyatian, with almost no Traladaran blood left, and certainly no cultural ties. So why did they move back per say? Sounds good, any other ideas... - Joaquin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:27:08 +0300 From: Solmyr Subject: Re: Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? Darth Darknerd wrote: > > Anyhow the simple fact is that "Vorloi" is a > Traladaran name and definately is not Thyatian. Bruce > even mentioned this was a mistake. But hey, it's > published... > Actually, linguistically "Vorloi" can quite well be a Greek name. The -oi ending usually indicates a plural, so the singular of the word would be "Vorlos". -- ********** Aleksei Andrievski solmyr@kolumbus.fi World of Enothril website - http://enothril.topcities.com/ The Archmage's Tower - http://www.geocities.com/solmyr.geo/ "War does not determine who is right. War determine who is left." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:03:47 -0500 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? One could say they moved back to Karameikos because of new economic opportunities and the fact that they are part Traladaran. > From: Darth Darknerd > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:44:32 -0700 > > I was curious about the Vorloi clan. The Thyatians > reflect the Byzantium Empire, except Hattia, which > seems closer to the Holy Roman Empire established by > Otto the Great. The names of origin are a mixture of > Greek and Roman, which I dubb Greco-Roman. And Hattia > is Germanic. > > I posted a list of Thyatian names at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/ShadowTriad/ThyatianNames.html > > I also had one for Traladarans, but I am still > searching for that one. Traladaran names reflect > names from Wallacia and Transylvania in east-central > Europe. I couldn't even begin to go into the > different languages involved in that... > > Anyhow the simple fact is that "Vorloi" is a > Traladaran name and definately is not Thyatian. Bruce > even mentioned this was a mistake. But hey, it's > published... > > So, what I am asking the list, is what creative story > can we make up to show why Vorloi is Thyatian, but yet > Vorloi?? What ever creative background, it should > still fit with the GAZ1 and Karameikos boxed set. > > I took a stab at it, and I thought that maybe Vorloi > was actually a Traladaran clan of rich merchants that > could not expand and grow due to other clan rivalry. > Maybe the Radu clan pushed them out. They had many > business relations in Thyatis and Minrothad Guilds, > and so became an international entity, which is very > rare is those days. Seeing greater opportunities in > Thyatis, the Vorloi relocated to Thyatis and became > citizens roughly 80 years ago (2 or 3 generations). > The Vorloi intermarried with Thyatian houses, and is > thus mixed. Now, they are mostly Thyatian, with > almost no Traladaran blood left, and certainly no > cultural ties. > > So why did they move back per say? > > Sounds good, any other ideas... > > > - Joaquin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:33:33 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Thyatian translation for Mr.George Ok George, I'll try to translate from Thyatian to Fenswick. I hope my translation is correct. Then you translate from Espa to Fenswick and we see wheter you were right or wrong...8-) > >Io comincerei evitando di usare sfondi pastello e/o > di colori diversi da > >pagina a pagina ;) > >Poi, se vuoi, posso provare a fare qualche titolo > in versione grafica > >(tranquillo, non lo disegnerei io, userei dei > generatori automatici). > >Ah, la pagina dei mostri mi risulta vuota... > "I'd start by refraining from the use of pastel shades and different colours from page to page. If you wish, I could try to make some headline in graphics (be reassured that I wouldn't draw it myself, I would use some program (- litterally: "automatic generators")). And, the "Monsters" page seems empty..." > >Temo proprio di no, caro Agathokles! > >Come vedi i nostri agenti segreti non hanno nessuna > difficolta a > comprendere > >il vostro strano idioma :-pppp "I fear not, dear Agathokles! See, our secret agents have no trouble in understanding your funny language" > "Yo comensaria por dejar de usar un fondo de ? o de > multiple colores de > pagina a pagina. > Pero, si queres, puedo proeverle gratis ? en > version grafica (tranquilo, no > lo disene yo, usare un generador automatico). > Ah, la pagina demuestra ?." > > "Me temo que no, quierido Agathokles! > Como vino de nuestro agent secreto no habra niguna > dificultad a comprender > nuestro extrano idioma." > > Am I even close? :) Don't know. Now it's your turn to translate! 8-) ______________________________________________________________________ Scarica il nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: con webcam, nuove faccine e tante altre novità. http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:02:35 -0700 From: Brendan Corliss Subject: Re: Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? I had the same issue for my campaign. Actually, several of the other names in Karameikos didn't really seem to fit IMO. So I tweaked 'em a bit until I was satisfied with the results. In the end however I changed most of them back (before we started playing our current campaign). I like the idea of keeping things as they originally appear if I can find a good reason. As far as Vorloi goes, Francesco Defferari came up with an ideal solution in his History of Traladara (http://dnd.starflung.com/tralhist.html). I use it extensively in my campaign (thanks Francesco!). The player with a cleric of the Church of Traladara loves it! Now, about some of the other Thyatian/Karameikan noble families, most notably Kelvin, Halaran, and Penhaligon, I left 'em alone even thought they didn't really fit the Grecco-Roman thing, IMO. Instead, I decided that they were of Hinterlander origin and one of the main reasons they left Tnyatis was to escape the prejudices they encountered from the Kerrendan and (even worse) Hattian Thyatians. -Brendan Corliss Corliss Enterprises, Ltd. Darokin City aka Damon Alexander Brown ===== May all your endeavors be Gold! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:30:19 -0800 From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Vorloi clan really Traladaran or Thyatian? It was common AFAIK for nobles to take on the name of the lands they ruled. For example, Halaran would be known as the Baron of Threshold, or simply "Baron Threshold" (assuming Threshold is the actual name of those lands, and not just the town). Kelvin on the other hand built his lands from scratch, so named them after himself. So maybe Philip of Machetos was a successful merchant, who was awarded the lands of the Vorloi clan in Traladara. Thus he became Baron Vorloi, or simply Philip Vorloi. Maybe he even changed his name, in order to win the respect of his new subjects. After thirty years he is head of the Vorloi clan, having taken a Vorloi wife and fathering Vorloi children, ruling well (thus earning respect), and of course by right of law. Mike -- Mike Harvey -- Beaverton, Oregon http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ICQ: 15446302 ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 9 Aug 2002 to 10 Aug 2002 (#2002-206) ***************************************************************