Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 19 Jan 2002 to 20 Jan 2002 (#2002-21) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 21/01/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 12 messages totalling 326 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. elven city name 2. About the planetshift of Mystara (11) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:06:21 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: elven city name --- Andrew Theisen skrev: > > > Check Gaz11: Republic of Darokin. In the DM's book, > under "Darokin Society" > (where it describes the Gold, Silver, and Copper > classes, etc.- don't have > page numbers handy at the moment), Mithril is > mentioned as being used as > materials for jewelry by the upper classes. Also, in the same Gazetteer, in the adventure section, there is an adventure outline in which an NPC carries a Mithril dagger stolen from the Black Eagle Barony. It is also indicated that Mithril has magical powers, although the effects are left up to the DM. Havard ______________________________________________________ Sjekk snørapporter... fra 500 ski-destinasjoner i Europa på http://no.snow.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:55:59 +1100 From: shawn stanley Subject: About the planetshift of Mystara Here's a question I got asked that I thought could be opened to everyone because I doubt a planet bound explosion alone would cause a planet shift. I'm puzzling my brain about the "Planetshift", which was caused by the Great Rain of Fire: is it possible shifting the axis of a planet with a nuclear bombing? I mean: perhaps the impact of a large size meteorite could, but not an atomic explosion... ;) Do you have a theory to explain the Planetshift? shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:07:54 -0000 From: Richard Tongue Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara A large enough atomic explosion could shift the axis of a planet - it would have to be of the same order of magnitude as an asteroid impact, though. Richard Tongue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:25:14 +1100 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara At 20:07 20/01/02 -0000, you wrote: > A large enough atomic explosion could shift the axis of a planet - it would > have to be of the same order of magnitude as an asteroid impact, though. no I doubt that that would be enough because surely an asteroid impact would only work in the first place because the meteor has momentum in the direction that it is travelling in. If the vector of this travel is sufficiently different to the current vector of the planet's direction and if the meteorite were big enough only then would the planets rotation change. shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:31:17 -0600 From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara > A large enough atomic explosion could shift the axis of a planet - it would > have to be of the same order of magnitude as an asteroid impact, though. True. But what happened on Mystara was a little different. While a large enough explosion could shift the planet, its axis will stay in the same location relative to the planet. With Mystara, the location of the axis relative to the planet changed, which is not very probable. With normal physics (vast simplification follows), what happened to Mystara would require the planet fully stop it's rotation, then begin a new rotation in a new direction... basically. Eric Anondson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:54:37 -0000 From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara The big question is, was the meteor that hit the Broken Lands at the end of WotI big enough to start a planetshift? Could the axis of Mystara be changing slowly in the years after WotI, and if so, what could some brave heroes do about it? :) Phil (aka Alexander Korrigan, humble student of the Great School of Magic) I'm not evil - just practical ----- Original Message ----- From: "shawn stanley" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] About the planetshift of Mystara > Here's a question I got asked that I thought could be opened to everyone > because I doubt a planet bound explosion alone would cause a planet shift. > > I'm puzzling my brain about the "Planetshift", which was caused by the > Great Rain of Fire: is it possible shifting the axis of a planet with a > nuclear bombing? I mean: perhaps the impact of a large size meteorite > could, but not an atomic explosion... ;) Do you have a theory to explain > the Planetshift? > > shawn stanley > > what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me > - mightyfew, "i can't wait" > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:03:35 -0500 From: Christopher M Cherrington Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara The planet shift has always puzzled me also. Since Mystara is hollow, and has two polar openings. I doubt the planet actually shifted on its axis, but rather the plates or the mantle shifted. Otherwise the polar openings used to be near the equator. Also, since Mystara is hollow, it would need much less of an impact to shift. The World Shield would prevent any puncturing of the mantle, but since it is an extremely strong material, a large enough explosion would cause the mantle to ripple along its surface, and thus 'shift'. With this type of shifting, the Blacklore Elves would have been shifted to the Hollow World, and possibly other cultures would have been shifted out of the Hollow World into the Known World. This would cause great rifts under the ocean, releasing the behemoth (Kraken), and disturbing the devilfish. In the Hollow World, the World Spine would have been thrusted even higher. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:04:45 -0800 From: John Biles Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara On 21 Jan 02, at 6:55, shawn stanley wrote: > Here's a question I got asked that I thought could be opened to everyone > because I doubt a planet bound explosion alone would cause a planet shift. > > I'm puzzling my brain about the "Planetshift", which was caused by the > Great Rain of Fire: is it possible shifting the axis of a planet with a > nuclear bombing? I mean: perhaps the impact of a large size meteorite > could, but not an atomic explosion... ;) Do you have a theory to explain > the Planetshift? > The key to understanding the Great Rain of Fire is to not think of it just in terms of real world physics. What happened was a massive unleashing of uncontrolled magical energies along with technological disaster. The shifting of the axis was caused by out of control magical energies, which no doubt changed lots of other things as well on a smaller scale. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:18:55 -0500 From: Sheer El-Showk Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:31:17PM -0600, Eric Anondson wrote: > > A large enough atomic explosion could shift the axis of a planet - it would > > have to be of the same order of magnitude as an asteroid impact, though. > > True. But what happened on Mystara was a little different. While a large > enough explosion could shift the planet, its axis will stay in the same > location relative to the planet. With Mystara, the location of the axis > relative to the planet changed, which is not very probable. > > With normal physics (vast simplification follows), what happened to Mystara > would require the planet fully stop it's rotation, then begin a new rotation > in a new direction... basically. I don't think that's really necassary ... the planet has a rotation about an axis and any significant off-center impact would increase its angular momentum in a different direction. That is, it would not be necassary for the planet to stop spinning and start spinning in another direction, the new direction of spin would just be the angular momentum from the old one summed with the new addition from the explosion. Now, why an on-planet blast would add angular momentum in any particular directoin is another question. I havn't been exposed to a lot of the other Mystara supplements ... just the old Gazateer ones that faithfully guided some very fun campeigns, but wasn't the axis shift supposed to be due to a magical explosion caused by the Blackmoor civilzation? Sheer > > > Eric Anondson > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:08:43 -0500 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, shawn stanley wrote: > direction that it is travelling in. If the vector of this travel is > sufficiently different to the current vector of the planet's direction and > if the meteorite were big enough only then would the planets rotation change. Any significantly powerful impact would more likely cause the planet to oscillate radially in it's orbit than to create only a axial shift. Ethan - studying orbital dynamics makes my head hurt -- Kinard 210 Linux Guru Webmaster www.steelangel.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:12:59 -0500 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Christopher M Cherrington wrote: > but rather the plates or the mantle shifted. Otherwise the polar openings > used to be near the equator. The Immortals fixed this little problem :) It's in WoTI, I think. -- Kinard 210 Linux Guru Webmaster www.steelangel.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:26:42 -0800 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: About the planetshift of Mystara At 06:55 AM 1/21/02 +1100, you wrote: > > Do you have a theory to explain the Planetshift? A brief (and unfleshed out) theory: The destruction of the technomagical/nuclear reactors in Blackmoor caused a chain reaction that spread to the Worldshield of Mystara (from whence these reactors drew much of their energy, possibly) which led to the shifting of the planet, as the Worldshield readjusted itself to compensate for the damage caused to it. Of course, IMO, the actual planetshift took place over multiple millenia (which is why you still have cataclysms as recently as the 1700s, BC, where the Ierendi Isles, etc. are created). ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 19 Jan 2002 to 20 Jan 2002 (#2002-21) ***************************************************************