Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Aug 2002 to 31 Aug 2002 (#2002-227) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 01/09/2002, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 17 messages totalling 609 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Taymor Timeline Wanted! 2. I'm Back...I think (2) 3. Various Blackmoor Questions (2) 4. Odd Questions 5. Vaults of Pandius down? (6) 6. Revised Taymoran history (2) 7. Freeport city of adventure 8. Taymor and Varellya (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:33:11 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Taymor Timeline Wanted! i need to catch up on taymor then.... i'll see what i can do. Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Havard Faanes" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] Taymor Timeline Wanted! > Hi, > I accidentally deleted the Taymor timeline from my > inbox. Could somebody please send it my way? > Also, Id really like to know more about Taymor. Ive > pieced together hints here and there from Agatho's and > James Mishler's work, but Id love to see a writeup of > the country at the peak of its civilization. Also, a > map would be wonderful..Anyone? Thib? > > Håvard > > ______________________________________________________ > Se den nye Yahoo! Mail på http://no.yahoo.com/ > Nytt design, enklere å bruke, alltid tilgang til Adressebok, Kalender og Notisbok > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:03:46 EDT From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: I'm Back...I think Thanks all for the welcome back. Ethan, yep those P-Gnomes and Divergans need to be finished. My Davania projects in general need alot of work. Luckily, I managed to retain alot of my P-Gnomes materials, especially the diagrams for some of their constructs. I would really dread having to re-draw all those on Paintbrush. You ready for that game today? Your Tigers are 10 pt underdogs. It should be a good game. Giampaolo, the M-PS project is still ongoing. I lost alot of its material and will have to rewrite a good bit of it. I think that you'll enjoy the added role that I have given the entropic Immortals in the Blood War....or should I say their not being involved in the Blood War. I am still debating on a few details of this. The M-PS project has gotten alot darker than previously described. Good to be back. Hope to crunch down on some of these projects and get this material out soon. There's alot of work ahead. However, I have decided to streamline some projects to ease in writing and integration into seperate campaigns. Basically, the material is more subject based and allows the DM to implement their own rules as needed. You'll see this used extensively in the M-Crimson Skies project. It won't be seen in either the M-PS or M-Vamp projects. Both are very game mechanics oriented. But I think that the readership will enjoy how they are presented to the reader. The M-Vamp project reminds me of the old Red Box where you learn as you play as the character. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:40:13 EDT From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Various Blackmoor Questions Geoff, thanks for the info and a reassurance that I am not going insane. Hmm...the Peshwa lineage works for both the Ethie and the Jens. How does this sound? It is mentioned in Duchy of Ten that the Afridhi conquered and learned from the subjugated people. IMO this implies a wisdom and interest in learning that rivals the Blackmoor mindset....though perhaps on a more primative level. Though defeated at the end of Duchy of Ten, the Afridhi still are a presence. I'd really have to re-read the modules to be certain of the details. I believe though that even if defeated in DoT, the Afridhi would still be present and retain a degree of control over their conquered peoples. Proximity with these people could create variations in societies. Hence you could have a section of the population that would later become the Ethie, the Jens, etc. Mischa, thanks for the URL. I thought that there was a better quality map out there with alot of the overlap and unaddressed areas edited. If I can find my old map, I'll post it for use. I am hoping that I have a copy stashed away on disk somewhere. If not, I'll use my maps from the DA series. Regardless, thanks for the input. I am favoring the use of Skothar as the heart of Blackmoor, while using the Brun references to denote outlying areas of Blackmoor society. For me, wilderness areas are the boon for adventure material. Anyway, thanks all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:00:41 -0400 From: Urklore The Iron Subject: Odd Questions Hello All, I am converting all my Mystara Audio CDs into Mp3s to store on my computer. Alot of them I cannot find track listings for the CD. Anyone know where I can get track listings for the various TSR Audio CD games? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:34:07 +0200 From: Richard Eckart Subject: Vaults of Pandius down? Looks like I can't reach www.dnd.starflung.com anymore. Does anybody know of problems? Is this permanent? Does anybody have a mirror? If not, should we start mirroring VoP? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:41:16 -0400 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Revised Taymoran history Agathokles wrote: > I took some time to search for a possible connection between Taymora and > Lhomarr. > I find two potential hooks: > 1) The migration to Addakia of the survivors of Lhomarr. They are said > to have been destroyed by local barbarian tribes, but some could have > made it to Brun. This is certainly possible. Official histories often state that cultures can be totally eliminated, but there are cases where a handful manage to escape, and set down roots elsewhere. If this scenario is used, then what might have happened is some of the Lhomarrians sailed across the Sea of Dread (not as much distance to cross back then), and settled along the southeastern coast of Brun. Provided there wasn't much in the way of advanced civilisations there, the refugees might have brought with them knowledge far beyond what the locals could accomplish. This cultural exchange could have formed the beginnings of a culture, that, after the fall of Blackmoor, rose to prominence within the region that was to become Taymor. Perhaps these people were overshadowed by Blackmoor, and relegated to the fringes of Blackmoor's colonial holdings, where they stagnated for many years. Once Blackmoor was gone, they stepped into the vacuum in Brun. > 2) Thonians are probably not an offshot of the Neathar/Skandaharian > root, thet might have been Lhomarrian in origin, like the Yanifey. The > Thonians are the direct ancestors of Taymora, so also Taymorans would be > an offshot of the original Lhomarrian culture, one that kept more to the > roots of its language and culture, apparently. This could work as well. The precise level of overlap between the cultures would have to be worked out, though, owing to the millenia that passed between the fall of Lhomarr and the GRoF. Some fundamentals of culture might have been preserved, even if the language changed greatly over time. This bears some thinking.... Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:02:17 -0400 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: I'm Back...I think On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Alex Benson wrote: > I would really dread having to re-draw all those on Paintbrush. You ready for > that game today? Your Tigers are 10 pt underdogs. It should be a good game. Good game as in no parking on campus for 24 hours and rowdy drunk people littering my lawn, oh yeah, I got the fire hose out. I'm ready. :) -- Kinard 210 Linux Guru Webmaster www.steelangel.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:39:31 +0000 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Vaults of Pandius down? Richard Eckart wrote: > > Looks like I can't reach www.dnd.starflung.com anymore. Neither I can. However, it seems that the server is around, but refusing connections. We'll have to wait for Shawn to show up, I suppose ;) > Does anybody > know of problems? Is this permanent? I hope not. There have been a few problems recently, but not of the permanent kind. > Does anybody have a mirror? Not a recent one (last backup I did was one year ago), and neither an online one. > If not, > should we start mirroring VoP? It could be useful--security measures are never enough. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:44:29 +0000 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Revised Taymoran history Geoff Gander wrote: > > Perhaps these people were overshadowed by Blackmoor, and > relegated to the fringes of Blackmoor's colonial holdings, where they > stagnated for many years. Once Blackmoor was gone, they stepped into the > vacuum in Brun. More likely, they were colonised and assimilated, but kept (in part) their native language. > >2) Thonians are probably not an offshot of the Neathar/Skandaharian > >root, thet might have been Lhomarrian in origin, like the Yanifey. The > >Thonians are the direct ancestors of Taymora, so also Taymorans would be > >an offshot of the original Lhomarrian culture, one that kept more to the > >roots of its language and culture, apparently. > > This could work as well. The precise level of overlap between the > cultures would have to be worked out, though, owing to the millenia that > passed between the fall of Lhomarr and the GRoF. Some fundamentals of > culture might have been preserved, even if the language changed greatly > over time. This bears some thinking.... That's why I'd use both options. The double inheritance would have strenghtened the Lhomarrian language roots in Taymoran, which were partially lost in Thonian due to the Neathar/Lhomarrian crossover. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:13:35 -0700 From: Jenni Merrifield Subject: Re: Freeport city of adventure > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On > Behalf Of Havard Faanes > > --- Joe Kelly wrote: > > > Don't know if anyone is interested but the Freeport > > City of Adventure module has been out for a bit, and > > I quite like it. Anyone else pick this up? > > Hey, > I also picked up that one, but I have only flipped > through it yet. It seems decent enough, although the > most useful info has already been mentioned in the > Freeport Adventure Modules, which by the way are > excellent. Somebody (Jenni?) made a timeline for > fitting Freeport into Ierendi and I thinking about > using that idea myself if one of my current campaigns > end any time soon. Yep, that 'twas me who inserted Freeport into Ierendi. :-) I haven't picked up the "Freeport: City of Adventure" accessory myself (I haven't picked up a lot of the D&D stuff I've been wanting -- cash flow issues :-P) But, after a skim-through, you figure the most useful stuff is already in the adventure modules? Does that include "Hell in Freeport" or just the three module series, "Death ...", "Terror ..." and "Madness in Freeport"? How about you, Joe -- how would you compare the accessory as a whole vs. the various modules? Jenni -- Jenni A.M. Merrifield (strawberry @ jamm.com) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons.... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:25:43 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Taymor and Varellya > would a Taymoran immigration [to Minaea] around > 1300-1500 AC fit?). At the moment I really don't know. The file must be somewhere at the old Almanac files...grumble...I can't even remember if I deleted it...I'm going to check, though. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Musica: notizie, recensioni, classifiche, speciali multimediali http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.music.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:33:58 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Various Blackmoor Questions About the Afridhi: I have begun to use them in my various Skothar projects, but never got too far. I would like to need more about Ethnology in Mystara... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Musica: notizie, recensioni, classifiche, speciali multimediali http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.music.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:49:35 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Taymor and Varellya IIRC, Kron had an artifact that kept them afloat, even through storms. I will look it up later. It's been about 15 years since I played this! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giampaolo Agosta" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Taymor and Varellya > > They could trade with seafolk instead? Cant remember > > the name of the fishmen offhand, but these guys could > > probably reach Kron even if the rafts are pretty far > > off the coast. > > Tritons? Merrow? Yes, in the "War Rafts of Kron", they do have an agreement with the seafolk. However, I think they would still need a land based refuge, at least to get replacements for the rafts. > In order to reduce their dependence from the land, they would need extensive sea magic--otherwise the rafts would not survive the bad season. > > > I rather like the idea of a larger colony of fleets, > > turning Greater Kron into a nation at sea. (Reminds me > > of Serraine for some reason). > Yes, the idea is very interesting. > > > Anyone care to do an > > Almanac-style description of the new nation? > > Not right now, I'm a bit busy with Taymora ;) > -- > > Giampaolo Agosta > > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:44:46 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Vaults of Pandius down? there is no www, that's why... Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Eckart" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Vaults of Pandius down? > Looks like I can't reach www.dnd.starflung.com anymore. Does anybody > know of problems? Is this permanent? Does anybody have a mirror? If not, > should we start mirroring VoP? > > Richard > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:44:34 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Vaults of Pandius down? At 18:39 31/08/02 +0000, you wrote: > Richard Eckart wrote: >> >> Looks like I can't reach www.dnd.starflung.com anymore. > > Neither I can. However, it seems that the server is around, but refusing > connections. We'll have to wait for Shawn to show up, I suppose ;) I can't see it at the moment either, the problem is I don't check the actual site very much myself so I don't really know when it isnt' available - the server is in Ireland and I'm over here in Australia. But yeah this has been happening a little bit lately as mentioned, I'll see if I can find out what's goinn on. >> Does anybody >> know of problems? Is this permanent? > > I hope not. There have been a few problems recently, but not of the > permanent kind. to my knowledge no it's not permanent >> Does anybody have a mirror? > > Not a recent one (last backup I did was one year ago), and neither an > online one. apart from what's on my hard drive not to my knowledge though >> If not, >> should we start mirroring VoP? > > It could be useful--security measures are never enough. do you have a spare 82MB (and growing) of webspace lying around? I know I don't that's why way back when the offer of free webspace was given to me to host the site I took it off the multiple geocities sites to house it all in one space. Apart from me forking out money for a commercial host what other options are there? shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:58:38 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Vaults of Pandius down? nah some people seem to prefer going to www, I think it depends on their browser version or something. At 23:44 31/08/02 +0200, you wrote: > there is no www, that's why... > > > Thibault Sarlat. > ICQ 16622177. > homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st > Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Eckart" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 5:34 PM > Subject: [MYSTARA] Vaults of Pandius down? > > >> Looks like I can't reach www.dnd.starflung.com anymore. Does anybody >> know of problems? Is this permanent? Does anybody have a mirror? If not, >> should we start mirroring VoP? shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:46:54 +0200 From: Richard Eckart Subject: Re: Vaults of Pandius down? > do you have a spare 82MB (and growing) of webspace lying around? I know I > don't that's why way back when the offer of free webspace was given to me > to host the site I took it off the multiple geocities sites to house it all > in one space. Apart from me forking out money for a commercial host what > other options are there? Individual people could host partly mirrors on dynamic dns dialup-lines, parts of it can be zipped together or made PDFs and shared on the various file-sharing networks and VoP might provide a list of SHA1 hashes to find the files easily (see www.reactorcritical.com or www.bitzi.com to see what I mean). There could probably be a list of links the the pages the material originally came from. Hey! I don't want to suggest you to tear VoP down, but if there is no backup and no mirror... any additional source is a good one. There is so much pirated stuff out on the file-sharing networks. I think it would be a great opportunity for both, the filesharing networks and VoP to actually have freely copyable, legal material to share. I would gladly put up a small share (maybe 2GB) of material from VoP, but it would need to be in a suitable format (preferredly PDF). Richard ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Aug 2002 to 31 Aug 2002 (#2002-227) ****************************************************************