Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 16 Sep 2002 to 17 Sep 2002 (#2002-244) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 18/09/2002, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 9 messages totalling 350 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Floating Ar 2. Immortals of Blackmoor (3) 3. NWN - Mystara based culture packs (3) 4. [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: The Lost Art of Hydromancy] 5. Mystara.fr.st updated for you!!! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:58:25 +0200 From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: Re: Floating Ar From: "The Stalker" To: > The only problem with that is that WOTI stated very specifically that even > Immortal magic failed during the Week Without Magic (WWM). We've argued > this before, and it's a real problem that the Floating Islands stayed up > even though the red sun of the Hollow World went out... IMC the WWM happened but immortal magic (except for the Hollow World sun) did not fail... So an artifact of Alphatia saved the continent, and it did not sink, even if an earthquake hit it and there was a huge number of victims... Some alphatians were still transplanted in the floating continent of the Hollow World... So IMC i have two Alphatia now... Pre cataclysm Alphatia had 7 millions inhabitants... now OW Alphatia have 5 millions, HW Alphatia 1 million while 1 million died in the earhquake and following tsunami... i just like too much Alphatia in the Outer World to destroy it, and i like having another Alphatia in the HW too : - ) bye Francesco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:18:00 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Immortals of Blackmoor Immortals of Blackmoor Ive piled together a list of Immortals who probably were around at the time of Blackmoor. Note especially, the "New" Immortals at the bottom featuring Immortals featured only in the Blackmoor products. Did I forget anyone? Any comments on what these guys were up to at the time of Blackmoor? Thanatos Thanatos has been around since the beginning. As usual he works from behind the scenes. Hel Hel also known as Idris is very active at the time of Blackmoor. She is the one who brought the Chromatic Dragons to Mystara. She is the creator of the Beastman race. She is worshipped by Giants. Odin Odin is the patron of the Metallic Dragons. He is also worshipped by the Skandaharians and the Dwarves. Ixion Eternal as the Sun, Ixion is worshipped by many races. Including the Oltecs (as Otzantiotl) and many other humans. Asterius Asterius is a mortal merchant in Early Blackmoor. He undergoes a quest for Immortality where he destroys an artifact created by Thanatos. (See more under Zugzul below). Protius Manwara, is the Immortal of the creatures of the Sea. At this time, only a few sea races exist, but he takes interest in the lives of Merrow, Whales and Dolphins. Ordana The forest mother is the Patron of the Elves and Sylvan races. Faunus He is the main patron of the Sylvan races together with Ordana even at this time, but takes little interest in immortal politics. Khoronus He was a mortal man at the time of Early Blackmoor, but he was also his own sponsor, so its not unlikely that he would be around. Ka Ka has been unusually inactive after his failed experiments with the Carnifex race. Kagyar Kagyar’s main interest at this time is the Brute Men, but even at this time, he is worshipped by some dwarves as well as Human artisans. Korotiku The Patron of the Tanogoro “New” Immortals The Frog The Order of the Frog worship the false “saint” Stephen, but their clerics also gain spells. This means there must be a deity sponsoring the order. The Frog had ruled the Isle of the Frog for 150 years before arrival of the FSS Beagle. However, during this time, its power had slowly diminished. The Frog led Stephen Rocklin into the swamps and allowed him to revitalize the order. Gator The Gatormen also have powerful clerics and worship their creator. According to the timeline provided by Zimri, the Gatormen are created by a rogue mage who becomes an immortal. Could he also be connected to the Frog? Zugzul Zugzul is the patron of the Afridhi. He is described (somewhere) as a God of Fire and Ice. My theory was that he was another identity of Thanatos. Perhaps Asterius achieved Immortality by destroying an artifact of Zugzul, thus leading to the downfall of the Afridhi? On the Other hand, Zimri, theorises that Zugzul is an Immortal of Energy waging war on Time… There is also a tie-in here with the Free Tortles of Zul on the Savage Coast (AC1000). Perhaps Zugzul returned to enslave the Tortles, but when they freed themselves they became the Free Tortles of Zul (Really meaning Free from Zul). The Egg of Coot The Egg is not an Immortal, but an extremely powerful being, perhaps a servitor of the Outer Beings. What happens to the Egg? Perhaps he is destroyed. But what if he survived and returns in modern day Mystara? ______________________________________________________ Se den nye Yahoo! Mail på http://no.yahoo.com/ Nytt design, enklere å bruke, alltid tilgang til Adressebok, Kalender og Notisbok ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:38:38 +0000 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Immortals of Blackmoor Havard Faanes wrote: > > “New” Immortals > > The Frog > Gator Some times ago, there was a discussion on the origin of the Gurrash, and IIRC it was suggested that these lizard-kin could have been modified by Demogorgon with "genetic material" from the original Blackmoorian Gator-men. Demogorgon could have been active at the time of Blackmoor, and could have been the "Gator" immortal, and perhaps even "The Frog". The watery reptilians theme (quite common in Blackmoor) fits well with this Immortal. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:08:27 -0700 From: John Calvin Subject: NWN - Mystara based culture packs Hi all, For any interested I've uploaded a few of the cultural packages that I'm working on for NWN. There are plenty of images to check out if you're interested in finding out what the cultural packs include before you download and install them. Hopefully this will help save someone who is designing a Mystaran based module in NWN a little time. ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:10:34 -0700 From: John Calvin Subject: Re: NWN - Mystara based culture packs Oops... forgot to include the url. Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/chimpman.geo/NWN/NWNindex.html ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:34:40 EDT From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: NWN - Mystara based culture packs Nice. I really need to return my interests to NWN. Most of my custom stuff was wiped out when my comp crashed. I have a NWN campaign in the works that includes alot of the creations I posted about some time back; Zzonga lab, slave market, brothel, mage estate, etc. It takes place in Nace (post Wrath) and also sees adventure on Gaity. You might even see a jaunt into the Abyssal Planes. It's a Bioware product...ya gotta include fiends in there somewhere lol. No ETA on completion. I had soime scripting problems in the lost version. I think I can fix or work around it though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:59:20 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Immortals of Blackmoor At 12:18 PM 9/17/02 +0200, you wrote: > > Zugzul > Zugzul is the patron of the Afridhi. He is described > (somewhere) as a God of Fire and Ice. In DA4: The Duchy of Ten. Zugzul is credited as the being who gave fire to the Afridhi, which allowed them to survive in the cold mountains of the Goblin Kush. > My theory was that he was another identity of Thanatos. Perhaps > Asterius achieved Immortality by destroying an > artifact of Zugzul, thus leading to the downfall of > the Afridhi? Could be that Asterius was part of the group that destroyed the Well of Souls, if you like the Thanatos theory. > There is also a tie-in here with the Free Tortles of > Zul on the Savage Coast (AC1000). Perhaps Zugzul > returned to enslave the Tortles, but when they freed > themselves they became the Free Tortles of Zul (Really > meaning Free from Zul). Also from DA4- Zugzul is a dual-aspected deity; he embodies both Fire (Zul) and Ice (Zug). Could be that those tortles that worship Zul have turned their back on the Zug aspect of the Immortal- perhaps Zugzul is the patron of the tortles, and some have become more fascinated with the fire aspect (desert/sand tortles?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:07:01 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: The Lost Art of Hydromancy] At 09:14 AM 9/6/02 -0400, GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") wrote: > > Hydromancy Today: > > > One large group of hydromancers is known to exist in the kingdom of > Frisland, in the rugged western coastal foothills of the Kerothar Mountains. Just now getting around to reading this- very interesting. I love the secret crafts. :) BTW, Geoff- had you considered the possibility that some of the Hydromancers were among the Alphatian settlers of the Minrothad Isles, the ones that melded with the Nithians there, and later came to found the Merchant-Prince class (which is described as being "almost exclusively adapted for the sea" in the Gaz)? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:44:52 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Mystara.fr.st updated for you!!! I just updated my site. New navigation, and of course new maps (norwold8m and norwold24m) Yes, norwold's maps are now available in the gazetteer-like format!!! as always , feedback is welcome. soon to come: isle of dawn in 8 miles per hex!!!! Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 16 Sep 2002 to 17 Sep 2002 (#2002-244) ****************************************************************