Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Sep 2002 to 1 Oct 2002 (#2002-256) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 02/10/2002, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 13 messages totalling 783 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. new campaign (9) 2. The War Conceived - part III 3. The War Conceived - part II 4. The War Conceived - part V 5. Penhaligion answers for Jonathan (was: new campaign) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:24 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: Re: new campaign If you have the Ethengar Gazetteer, I highly recommend starting a Golden Khan campaign in 1000 AC. For both frontier-like AND political intrigue-like adventures it is a very good product. I have started one campaign thus, and although we had to dump it due to lack of time, it felt good. For example, you might have a group cosisting both of Ethengars and Outsiders - a Darokinian merchant in the group might lead them also on adventures to other countries, possibly as spies of the Khan. The Gazetteer itself has one very nice campaign scheme starting from low levels. Ville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:17:34 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: The War Conceived - part III The Embassy (Depending on which country the DM wishes to use, there might be ready-made characters to fill this spot. But in any case here are some ideas.) The ambassador himself is an old mercenary, whose travels led him to the service of the king of the neighbouring state. In skirmisher against pirates he gained fame and fortune, and in the end he became a noble. The local nobility however resented this upstart, and the king sent him to safety in the embassy. His name might be Rufien Windbreaker. The second name derives from his pointy nose, although he himself claims that it was given to him because he always stood at the bow of the ship in the beginning of an attack, using his longbow. He is indeed a skillfull archer, and has become famous in Stephan's hunting expeditions. The financial resources of the embassy are substantial, equalling those of the largest noble families of Karameikos. There are many skilled fighters as guards, a herald, many clerks, many diplomats and two "diplomats" (see above). Two personal secretaries travel the country (see the "Monolith adventure" for an example of one of them). Rufien has contacts in the foreign quarter, which might tie this adventure to the old friends from the earlier Specularum-adventures. From there he is able to hire muscle to do his dirty work, and he can also buy information, since many upper-class citizens visit the brothels of the quarter. However, not all nationals of the neighbouring country in the Foreign Quarter are in good terms with Rufien, since some of them have fled for political or legal reasons. Some of them might become allies of the other interest groups during the adventure. Rufien will remain loyal to his country till the bitter end, but it is very hard for him to gain tangible support from his own country. His old enemies will lobby the king and block most of the help. Also, the relationship between Karameikos and the neighbouring country has been so friendly lately that it is hard for Rufien to convince his king of the danger. The Merchants' Club The Club was founded by ten prominent merchants of Specularum, whose trade is linked to spices and herbs. The speaker of the Club is called Vergilius, and he is the supplier of most of the spices and herbs for the alchemists and mages of the city. Thus he has contacts in those circles and may employ them during the course of the adventure. The members of the club have a monopoly over import and export of spices and herbs - only the local herb production is controlled by the herbalists of Specularum. Using its influence the Club has managed to bankrupt many herbalists during the last years. So they have enemies, although not very influential ones (for example the veterinarian and herbalist in the first Specularum adventure). Vergilius is an old acquaintance of Rufien. They met during the pirate skirmishes, when Rufien's marines saved Vergilius and his spice cargo - Vergilius happened to be onboard, as he was on his way to sign important trade agreements. During the last years Rufien has become involved in the activities of the club. The members of the club are coordinating their activities like a cartell in order to gain maximum profits. Thus they are breaking the strict guild laws, and many other laws too. With the help of Rufien they are forging trade documents - shipments that leave the neighbouring country are written down as smaller ones in order to evade tax payments etc. From time to time the club also smuggles in small amounts of illegal narcotics (they lost a lot of time during the adventure "Bad Omens"). The City guard and the Merchants' Guild would be very interested, if these illegal activities would be revealed. So would be many merchants in the neighbouring country, as they are losing money too. The merchant who is to be blackmailed by Marius Thrakius is called Lucien. Marius found out that Lucien used to sell Ylarumian hashis in his spice shop. Marius threatened to give Lucien in to the city guard, or even the Ylari community, who is usually controlling the hashis trade. He didn't want money, just the option to blackmail Lucien into giving some "services" in the future. Lucien hasn't told anyone else of his dilemma. If the blackmailing begins, he is in real trouble, and it is possible that he'll break down completely. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:27:43 -0300 From: "Jonathan L." Subject: new campaign Thanks for all of you. I didn't decide yet, but you really helped. Now I have some new questions. I read the Penhalign Trilogy. Penhaligon seems a really good place for first levels adventure. When all those things happens? (the things that occurs in the book). Who are the abelaat? Where can I find their statics for using them? What about the facts that occurs in the D&D movie? Where and when all those things occur? Thank you very much, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:52:22 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: new campaign --- "Jonathan L." skrev: > Thanks for all of you. > I didn't decide yet, but you really helped. > Now I have some new questions. I read the Penhalign > Trilogy. > Penhaligon seems a really good place for first > levels adventure. > When all those things happens? (the things that > occurs in the book). > Who are the abelaat? Where can I find their statics > for using them? Penhaligon is an excellent place for starting a campaign. I am currently running my campaign there. As for the trilogy, I think the first book was okay, but the second and third ones werent really Mystara IMO. Also I really hated how they kill off most of the cool NPCs by book 3. The events probably take place sometime around AC1010, although it doesnt really fit with WotI. Who are the Abelaat: According to the book as i seem to remember they were a race from a world which had had its magic stolen by Mystara, and now they want to steal it back. IMC I changed them to creatures from the Nightmare Dimension who feed on magic and magic users. This fits more with my idea of Mystara anyways... There are stats for the Abelaat in the monster section of dnd.starflung.com > What about the facts that occurs in the D&D movie? > Where and when all those > things occur? The D&D movie was not set in Mystara. Although I suppose it could be fit into Alphatia. Not sure when though, perhaps sometime in the past? Are you really sure you want to include that crappy movie into your campaign canon anyways...? (Cool imagery aside..) Håvard ______________________________________________________ Se den nye Yahoo! Mail på http://no.yahoo.com/ Nytt design, enklere å bruke, alltid tilgang til Adressebok, Kalender og Notisbok ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:16:10 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: Re: The War Conceived - part II THE PEOPLE Selver Strifespawner He is 56 years old, a thin man of average height. He has brown, tangled and dirty hair, a sharp jaw and blue (usually bloodshot) eyes. He blinks at an unnaturally slow pace, and when he smiles his purely white teeth are showing. The teeth have been filed needle-sharp. He dresses in gray wool trousers and shirt, with a leather belt that is combined with two leather belts that cross his chest. He carries two daggers and a bag in which he has "sacred writings", parchment and writing instruments. He has a pendant, sort of a holy symbol of Ruul: a burning house, with flames resembling an ongoing brutal rape. Selver is a maniac, but a convincing one. His servants, with the exception of Flavius, will remain loyal to him until death. He is seldom seen in public, but then again his old acquaintances wouldn't recognise him anymore. Selver likes Flavius, and respects Vladimir due to his experience in street combat. Skills: storytelling, folklore, heraldic, calligraphy, indoctrination, oratory, several languages. Flavius Thrakius He is 30 years old, a tall muscular man. Flavius has shaven his head bald and usually wears a hood that covers his face, unless it would seem suspicious. Covered by his cape he has a leather armour. He wields a mace and uses throwing knives, and has a poisoned dagger hidden in his booth. Officially Flavius was cast out of the Thrakius family due to the same problems that drove him out of the bard school. Behind the scenes he is Marius's closest friend, and has been promised a prominent post in the future government. He knows the streets of Specularum like his own pockets, and he retaind a dual identity as a non-guilded bard who sings for a few kopecs on the marketplace. He is very skillful in hiding his true motives and befriending people. He doesn't believe at all in Selver's doctrine, but acts like a fanatic member. If the DM decides that Ruul the Rapist is real, Flavius may yet pay a terrible price. Skills: disquise, singing, gambling, acting, mace, knife (wielding and throwing), street fighting, stealth (city environment) Marius Thrakius He is 42 years old, but has remained a vigorous man, more stout that muscular. His face is scarred, and his nose has been broken many times. In public he dons his knightly armour, but otherwise he prefers a chain mail and leather leggings. He smells of sweat, wine, rusty metal and leather. His left hand is missing one finger. Marius is an exceptionally good archer, lancer and rider, and demands high standards from his mercenaries. During secret training sessions he holds endless lectures about the use of fire-arrows in city warfare. If the conflict breaks out, his troops will be the best equipped for street combat (is magically equipped troops are discounted). He is a truly impressive and fearsome individual, and will not lower his gaze in front of anyone, even his possible future excecutioners. A dangerous man indeed, he feels no sympathy for his victims, and sees the Traladarans basicly as sub-humans. Skills: archer, swordmanship, lance, riding, strategy & tactics (city warfare), logistics, intimidation, intrigue, diplomacy Vladimir He is a tired, 50 years old man with haunted eyes. His face is wrinkled with the weight of both years and old deeds, and his hair has turned gray. He limps with his right leg, but not so badly that it would affect his melee abilities adversely - his experience offsets this disadvantage. In battle he wields a heavy axe. As one might guess, he is seldom seen in public. Vladimir's long life has been filled with battle, death, betrayal, hiding and fear. His entire family was massacred during the rebellion, and he will never be able to forget or forgive that. Everyone of Thyatian descent is guilty, and any Thyatian who "collaborates" with them is a traitor. He has seen nighmares so many years that he wouldn't recognise normal dream. Thus the members of the Cult of Ruul don't seem that insane to him (the other members of the Spring Flood wouldn't agree, perhaps with the exception of the most extreme fanatics). Then again Vladimir doesn't understand their selibacy. Life is too short to waste on self-restraint. He drinks huge amounts of wine, vodka and beer, and is able to hold it in. He doesn't trust Flavius, but purely on the grounds of personal chemistry, not his motives. Skills: street fighting, axe, battleaxe, arson, trapping, stealth (city environment), burglary, indoctrination, heavy drinking, torture Rufien Windberaker He is a warrior, but unlike Vladimir and Marius, his 35 years have left him relatively unscathed. He still looks young, and you wouldn't find a single scar - evidence of his luck or skill. He keeps his blond hair tied to a ponytail and his moustache waxed. Everyone who has any experience of the seas can see his past from the way he walks. Sealegs kind of stuck with him. As an ambassador Rufien is never short of cast, and he likes to wear glamorous clothes. He has valuable pearl jewelry. The only thing that breaks the flashy outlook is his habit of chewing tobacco and spitting the black goo everywhere, to the frustration of the embassy staff. He wields a rapier and shields himself with a small shield. Rufien isn't greedy, but he just likes a comfortable lifestyle. For a long time he has been courting some noble ladies of the city, planning a marriage. Unfortunately he has a hard time deciding - luckily he never fancied the pretty daughter of Marius! Despite his bravado he is constantly observing people around him, acutely sensing the tensions under the surface. This habit derives from his past. Rufien spends most of his free time in the inns of the harbour, and has many friends among harbour guards, marines, sailors and harbour workers. Skills: rigging combat, navigation, swordmanship, small shield, crossbow, intrigue, bribery, accounting, savoir-faire Vergilius He is 50 years ols, a short but stocky man. He has short black hair, which is always combed with olive oil. His face has a reddish tinge, and his brown eyes seem to be laughing all the time. All in all, his face is the incarnation of the essence of smile. He dresses in fashionable clothes, decorated with a lewelled belt. The tends to keep his hands on his waist, thumbs pushed under the belt. His breath smells of exotic spices. Personally Vergilius doesn't believe in using weapons, but always keeps to bodyguards with him. Vergilius is also calmness incarnate. Nothing can dispel his good spirits, perhaps not even the excecutioner's axe or severe flogging. If one gains his frinedship, that will last. He regards his enemies more like a nuisance, a rash. Some are irritated by his disposition, but the other members of the club like him very much. Vergilius will never touch narcotics of any kind, and likes to eat healthy food. He has seven children an is very proud of them. Skills: bargaining, spice and herb lore, accounting, forgery, knowledge of the market, several languages Lucien He is a 40 years old man who is always hunched a little. His eyes seem never to stop shooting to and fro, and his gaze is very tired. He drinks enormous amouts of coffee and chews stimulant herbs, and thus suffers from chronic heartburn. His clothes are much more ordinary than those of his club members, and he uses very little jewelry. Lucien is afraid all the time. Before Marius caught him he was already nervous, now he is hanging on the edge. In order to keep the other members of the club ignorant of his troubles, he chews calming herbs before meetings. This does his nerves no good. When confronted by Marius, he usually bursts into tears, which causes Marius to despise him even more. Lucien might even commit suicide if pushed too far. Skills: bargaining, smuggling, forgery, knowledge of narcotics ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:11 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: Re: The War Conceived - part V PLOTLINES No detailed timeline is provided in this adventure scheme. As proposed in the introduction, this material can be used as a basis for a few adventures, but also for a longer intrigue campaign, possibly ending in a war in Karameikos. It will depend much on the PCs which side will win. To recapitulate: Three separate interest groups are trying to start a war with the neighbouring country, but they all have different and conflicting motives. One group, the Cult of Ruul the Rapist, has contacts in two others, the Thrakius family anf the Spring Flood. The two latter are enemies despite the common goal, so the birth of "an unholy alliance" is not likely. The DM should note that the Thrakius family and the Spring Flood have no knowledge of each other's plans in the beginning - Slever will be the link here. In general, the groups that wish war have an advantage, since they have been planning things for a long time without raising suspicions. But still their position isn't too strong, if one remembers Stephan's popular support, and the stable situation in the city. So the popular opinion will matter a great deal, especially regarding how much support Selver and Vladimir get. But the Thrakius family and the Spring Flood will try to cause trouble and put blame on the neighbouring country: initially on the foreign merchants and residents of the Foreign Quarter, later on the country itself. The Spring Flood will of course try to elevate the tensions between the Traladarans and Thyatians too. Selver's goons will originally just cause general confusion, but much depends on whether they will more actively help the actions of the other instigators of war. When the war draws close, many other power groups may get involved, according to the wishes of the DM. If the Veilded Society is still active, it is very likely to take advantage of the situation. Same goes with the Iron Ring, the church opposition of Oderbry, the Cult of Halav etc. If the war breaks out, there are also points of excalation: Black Eagle Barony, the giants around Castellan keep, the goblinoids of Dymrak etc. The PCs can be involved in many ways. "The War Conceived" takes them into difficult situations where they can gain many friends and enemies. The ethnic and religious differences within the group may also be a source of problems. During the course of events they may wish to change sides, as alliances grow sour. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:44:56 -0300 From: "Jonathan L." Subject: Re: new campaign I just asked. I really hated the movie. Where can I find more information abount Penhaligon? I have the Karameikos Gaz, but there isn't enough information. Also I should need a good map of the region. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Havard Faanes" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] new campaign > --- "Jonathan L." skrev: > > Thanks for all of you. > > I didn't decide yet, but you really helped. > > > Now I have some new questions. I read the Penhalign > > Trilogy. > > Penhaligon seems a really good place for first > > levels adventure. > > When all those things happens? (the things that > > occurs in the book). > > Who are the abelaat? Where can I find their statics > > for using them? > > Penhaligon is an excellent place for starting a > campaign. I am currently running my campaign there. As > for the trilogy, I think the first book was okay, but > the second and third ones werent really Mystara IMO. > Also I really hated how they kill off most of the cool > NPCs by book 3. > > The events probably take place sometime around AC1010, > although it doesnt really fit with WotI. > > Who are the Abelaat: > According to the book as i seem to remember they were > a race from a world which had had its magic stolen by > Mystara, and now they want to steal it back. > > IMC I changed them to creatures from the Nightmare > Dimension who feed on magic and magic users. This fits > more with my idea of Mystara anyways... > > There are stats for the Abelaat in the monster section > of dnd.starflung.com > > > What about the facts that occurs in the D&D movie? > > Where and when all those > > things occur? > > The D&D movie was not set in Mystara. Although I > suppose it could be fit into Alphatia. Not sure when > though, perhaps sometime in the past? Are you really > sure you want to include that crappy movie into your > campaign canon anyways...? (Cool imagery aside..) > > Håvard > > > ______________________________________________________ > Se den nye Yahoo! Mail på http://no.yahoo.com/ > Nytt design, enklere å bruke, alltid tilgang til Adressebok, Kalender og Notisbok > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:17:00 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Penhaligion answers for Jonathan (was: new campaign) --- "Jonathan L." skrev: > I just asked. I really hated the movie. > > Where can I find more information abount Penhaligon? > I have the Karameikos Gaz, but there isn't enough > information. Thats pretty much what there is. There might be a few more lines in the Karameikos Boxed set, but not alot really. There are several articles under the Geography-->Karameikos section on dnd.starflung.com that you might find useful. The ones there that were written by me are all related to Penhaligon in some way or other. As for maps, youre on your own so far. I might make a new one soon, but dont hold your breath :) The Penhaligon Trilogy is excellent for inspiration. Steal anything you like from there, but feel free to discard anything that you dont like. Id be interested in seeing what you come up with! :) Håvard R. Faanes ______________________________________________________ Se den nye Yahoo! Mail på http://no.yahoo.com/ Nytt design, enklere å bruke, alltid tilgang til Adressebok, Kalender og Notisbok ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:51:35 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: new campaign Jonathan L. wrote: > I just asked. I really hated the movie. > > Where can I find more information abount Penhaligon? > I have the Karameikos Gaz, but there isn't enough information. > > Also I should need a good map of the region. IIRC, B11 and 12 are set in that region. B11 is set in a village north of Penhaligon, Stallanford. However, there aren't many details on the region itself. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:36:56 -0400 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: new campaign Other people have submitted excellent ideas for campaign settings, but I'll add a couple: 1. toss in another vote for a Taymoran/ancient Nithian campaign. There's enough material out there to get you started, at least, and the Nithian HWR has some useful info, too. 2. Blackmoor (either BC 4000, or perhaps just before the Great Rain of Fire - a key moment in the campaign could be the disaster itself, and the PCs' goal is to make it to a safe land, and try to preserve some fragment of civilisation, as another person has suggested. 3. BC 1700 - another good time in which to adventure - the fall of Taymor, humanoid invasions, etc. 4. Ancient Mystara - either the time of Y'hog and Lhomarr (and their epic battles and legendary heroes and villains), or perhaps even before then, perhaps to a time before the rise of intelligent mammals. An interesting twist to this might be that the PCs are among the greatest heroes of one of the last reptillian kingdoms, the others having fallen to brute-men and primitive neathar. 5. BC 500-AC 300 - This period would be interesting in that Nithia had just vanished, leaving a political vacuum. Cynidicea would be at its height, and other city-states vie for supremacy in southeastern Brun. Throw in some nasty monsters, and strong NPCs, and it could be sort of like the Xena/Hercules tv shows (if you are so inclined). Lots of opportunity for great deeds. The latter part of this period features the rise of Thyatis, and, using James Ruhland's timeline, there is a lot you can do here. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:15:18 -0700 From: The Stalker Subject: Re: new campaign On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:44:56 -0300, Jonathan L. wrote: > I just asked. I really hated the movie. > The D&D movie both was and wasn't set in Mystara. What they did was they took Alphatia, renamed it Izmer, then did whatever they wanted with it. I recall somebody here posted links to a site where interviews with the director stated very clearly that Izmer was indeed based strongly on Alphatia. I might have happened in Mystara's past, though you'll have to let the story have a rather evil sequel where it turns out the empress merely did all the things she did to take power from the grand council of wizards. That is sufficiently nasty for Alphatia and restores the superiority of wizards as the aristocracy. > Where can I find more information abount Penhaligon? Personally I didn't like those novels... The first one was okay, but the second was pretty bad, and the third fell completely on its face and ruined the plot! Still, that's just my opinion and it did establish a few useful characters and a knightly order you might use (what was that name again?) You can find stats on the Abelaat here, though they are in OD&D format: http://dnd.starflung.com/abeelat.html As for maps, I'm not sure what you want. If it's a map for Penhaligon specifically, I don't there has ever been done one, but check these links: http://dnd.starflung.com/maps.html http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mystara/maps/known_world/karameikos/karameikos.htm Generally you should always check out dnd.starflung.com first and then look for maps at mystara.fr.st. The first link is the official site for Mystara now (also known as Shawn's site) and the second is Thibault Sarlat's site. Thib specializes in doing maps for Mystara, and you can find some pretty cool ones there if you look around a bit. Hope this helps a little. - The Stalker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:52:00 -0400 From: Jeff Daly Subject: Re: new campaign Funny you should mention that. I told my wife that the movie was horrible...unless it turns out the Empress is really a sinister, evil power grabber...THEN I would consider it almost subtle... Wouldn't such a sequel be great...? Where the heroes have to defeat the evil empress they helped put in power... -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of The Stalker Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:15 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] new campaign On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:44:56 -0300, Jonathan L. wrote: > I just asked. I really hated the movie. > The D&D movie both was and wasn't set in Mystara. What they did was they took Alphatia, renamed it Izmer, then did whatever they wanted with it. I recall somebody here posted links to a site where interviews with the director stated very clearly that Izmer was indeed based strongly on Alphatia. I might have happened in Mystara's past, though you'll have to let the story have a rather evil sequel where it turns out the empress merely did all the things she did to take power from the grand council of wizards. That is sufficiently nasty for Alphatia and restores the superiority of wizards as the aristocracy. > Where can I find more information abount Penhaligon? Personally I didn't like those novels... The first one was okay, but the second was pretty bad, and the third fell completely on its face and ruined the plot! Still, that's just my opinion and it did establish a few useful characters and a knightly order you might use (what was that name again?) You can find stats on the Abelaat here, though they are in OD&D format: http://dnd.starflung.com/abeelat.html As for maps, I'm not sure what you want. If it's a map for Penhaligon specifically, I don't there has ever been done one, but check these links: http://dnd.starflung.com/maps.html http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mystara/maps/known_world/karameikos/karameikos.h tm Generally you should always check out dnd.starflung.com first and then look for maps at mystara.fr.st. The first link is the official site for Mystara now (also known as Shawn's site) and the second is Thibault Sarlat's site. Thib specializes in doing maps for Mystara, and you can find some pretty cool ones there if you look around a bit. Hope this helps a little. - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by friend.ly.net.] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by friend.ly.net.] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:17:48 -0700 From: The Stalker Subject: Re: new campaign On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:52:00 -0400, Jeff Daly wrote: > Funny you should mention that. I told my wife that the movie was > horrible...unless it turns out the Empress is really a sinister, evil > power grabber...THEN I would consider it almost subtle... > > Wouldn't such a sequel be great...? Where the heroes have to defeat the > evil empress they helped put in power... > Yes, but then we Mystara-philes are a nasty bunch - we like dark stories like that... Try convincing a studio exec there's a movie in it, or even one of those people at WOTC that this would be such a cool development... I think they'd be horrified! (Which might be a reason to do it, come to think of it...) ;) Still, I must admit I've been considering something like this. Certainly there is nothing to suggest it never happened, and it might even explain why dragons seem to dislike the Alphatains and shun the area, since they don't enjoy being turned into unwitting soldiers for the battles between the wizards... Makes lots of sense to me. Oh, and the whole wizard/aristocrat thing is unmistakably Alphatian... And the capital is "Sumdall" in the film? Alphatia's capital was "Sundsvall" until the end of WOTI... Hmmm.... But yes, the movie was horrible. I mean, as someone correctly pointed out here when it came out - the beholder chased after a stone. A *stone*, for crying out loud!!! ;) - The Stalker ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Sep 2002 to 1 Oct 2002 (#2002-256) ***************************************************************