Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Oct 2002 to 16 Oct 2002 (#2002-268) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 17/10/2002, 18:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 14 messages totalling 474 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. ? Coins = 1 Kg (3) 2. The Kingdom of Floating Ar (mini-gaz) 3. Darokin (3) 4. How much coins is 1 kg? (7) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:03:47 -0300 From: "Jonathan L." Subject: ? Coins = 1 Kg Hello. How much coins is 1 kg? Thanks, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:44 +0200 From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: The Kingdom of Floating Ar (mini-gaz) From: Geoff Gander > The Alphatian Kingdoms > =20 > The Kingdom of Floating Ar Good stuff! I'd have liked a few more notable personalities of the = various communities, but what I got was great! Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:54:16 +0200 From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: ? Coins = 1 Kg Jonathan L. wrote: > How much coins is 1 kg? 10 cn =3D 1 lb. 1 lb. =3D 453.6 g So 1 kg is approximately 22 cn. Unless I've made some stupid mistake. ;) Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:20:18 -0300 From: "Jonathan L." Subject: Darokin Which Immortal the people of Darokin believe in? Thanks, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:19:22 -0700 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: ? Coins = 1 Kg Yes you are right. In the OD&D-basic the metric system equivilent is one cn=50 grams 20 coins *50 grams=1000 grams= 1kg Morphail Jacob Skytte wrote:Jonathan L. wrote: > How much coins is 1 kg? 10 cn = 1 lb. 1 lb. = 453.6 g So 1 kg is approximately 22 cn. Unless I've made some stupid mistake. ;) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:57:15 +0200 From: Peter Balazs Subject: How much coins is 1 kg? Hi! > How much coins is 1 kg? Back from the eighties, I remember a rule that 20 gold coins equal a kilogramm. This means one gold piece is 50 g, which would be at today's gold price 513 ? (or $), quite a bit. If this doesn't fit your campaign, increase the number. There were small gold coins with 5 g like the Basileus, on the other hand the newly made (german) 200 Euro (?) gold coin has 31,1 g (= 1ounce). This coins has a diameter of 32,55 mm and is about 2mm high. So the 50g coin should have about 40 mm diameter and is 3mm thick.(Gold has a specific density of about 19.3 g cm^-3). So quite a piece, but not too far away from today's big coins. So just choose what fits your campaign. Peter Peter Balazs a8927259@unet.univie.ac.at http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8927259/indexen.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:09:59 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Darokin Jonathan L. wrote: > Which Immortal the people of Darokin believe in? I think most would agree on Asterius and the Twelve Watchers as the most prominent Darokin Immortals, even though I can't remember a canon statement on the matter. I'll provide a couple links to treatises on Darokin religion: http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome/tomevol5/darokin.html http://www.dnd.starflung.com/codaro.html -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:04:53 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: How much coins is 1 kg? remember that a coin is never made of pure metal one can imagine that a gold coin has in fact just a percentage of gold and perhaps copper. Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Balazs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] How much coins is 1 kg? > Hi! > > > How much coins is 1 kg? > > Back from the eighties, I remember a rule that 20 gold coins equal a > kilogramm. This means one gold piece is 50 g, which would be at today's > gold > price 513 ? (or $), quite a bit. If this doesn't fit your campaign, > increase > the number. There were small gold coins with 5 g like the Basileus, on the > other hand the newly made (german) 200 Euro (?) gold coin has 31,1 g (= > 1ounce). This coins has a diameter of 32,55 mm and is about 2mm high. So > the > 50g coin should have about 40 mm diameter and is 3mm thick.(Gold has a > specific density of about 19.3 g cm^-3). So quite a piece, but not too far > away from today's big coins. So just choose what fits your campaign. > > Peter > > Peter Balazs > a8927259@unet.univie.ac.at > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8927259/indexen.html > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:31:32 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: How much coins is 1 kg? Quoting Thibault Sarlat : > remember that a coin is never made of pure metal > one can imagine that a gold coin has in fact just a percentage of gold > and perhaps copper. today yes, but in Mystara they are likely to be all (or at least mostly) gold I think. Thats why people used to bite coins to check if they were actually gold not fakes. I mean if you don't have notes then you don't want to make the coins heavier then they need to be so you make them pure. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:39:01 +0000 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: How much coins is 1 kg? Thibault Sarlat wrote: > > remember that a coin is never made of pure metal > one can imagine that a gold coin has in fact just a percentage of gold and > perhaps copper. Then it would be even bigger copper is one half as dense as gold! Anyway, 45g for a coin (especially not a gold one) is quite a lot. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:28:35 +0000 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: How much coins is 1 kg? Chris Furneaux wrote: > > today yes, but in Mystara they are likely to be all (or at least mostly) gold I > think. Thats why people used to bite coins to check if they were actually gold > not fakes. I mean if you don't have notes then you don't want to make the coins > heavier then they need to be so you make them pure. Well, Roman emperors did so, it was not different from modern day fluctuation of a currency value. Ierendians do so in Mystara, too ;) Bye, -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:54:36 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Darokin --- "Jonathan L." ha scritto: > Which Immortal the people of Darokin believe in? > > Thanks, I am not well informed on Darokin's Immortals, but surely the most important divinity in Darokin is Asterius. I think that if you look at the Vaults, dnd.starflung.com under the "Resources --> Immortals & Religion" you should find an article on the Church of Darokin written by Marco Dalmonte. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ______________________________________________________________________ Mio Yahoo!: personalizza Yahoo! come piace a te http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.my.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:51:08 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: How much coins is 1 kg? another explanation could be that since it a fantasy world, well, then Gold density might higher on Mystara than on Earth...(after all mithril does exist on Mystara and not on our world...) Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agathokles" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] How much coins is 1 kg? > Chris Furneaux wrote: > > > > today yes, but in Mystara they are likely to be all (or at least mostly) gold I > > think. Thats why people used to bite coins to check if they were actually gold > > not fakes. I mean if you don't have notes then you don't want to make the coins > > heavier then they need to be so you make them pure. > > Well, Roman emperors did so, it was not different from modern day > fluctuation of a currency value. Ierendians do so in Mystara, too ;) > > Bye, > -- > > Giampaolo Agosta > > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:15:45 +0000 From: adrian mattias Subject: Re: How much coins is 1 kg? You would normally expect that a coin would be made of pure metal (at least as pure as the technology of the time allows anyway). As value was based on the actual rate at which the metal could be bought (unlike today's paper money which is merely a promise by the government that the note is worth what it says it is worth), if you start debasing the metal which makes the coin, i.e. cutting copper with gold, or as the Romans did in the 2nd Century AD, nickel in the silver Denarii which went from 90% pure to less than 60% pure toward the end of the Western Empire, then not only will you devalue the coin, but as a consequence you will get price inflation as more coins are needed to buy the same goods. It is basically like a modern government printing money. The more money is printed, the less it is worth. This sort of activity normally only occurs in the RW in times of crisis. A modern example would be Argentina recently, or Germany before WW2, and more ancient examples would be Rome in the third, fourth and fifth centuries AD as their conquest strategy began to come to an end, taxes rose and base metals were much harder to obtain (because they were not looting them from their neighbours - in fact, the opposite was happening). Sorry for the digression. Adrian > From: Thibault Sarlat > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] How much coins is 1 kg? > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:51:08 +0200 > > another explanation could be that since it a fantasy world, well, then Gold > density might higher on Mystara than on Earth...(after all mithril does > exist on Mystara and not on our world...) > > > Thibault Sarlat. > ICQ 16622177. > homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st > Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Agathokles" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] How much coins is 1 kg? > > > > Chris Furneaux wrote: > > > > > > today yes, but in Mystara they are likely to be all (or at least > mostly) > gold I > > > think. Thats why people used to bite coins to check if they were > actually gold > > > not fakes. I mean if you don't have notes then you don't want to make > the coins > > > heavier then they need to be so you make them pure. > > > > Well, Roman emperors did so, it was not different from modern day > > fluctuation of a currency value. Ierendians do so in Mystara, too ;) > > > > Bye, > > -- > > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Oct 2002 to 16 Oct 2002 (#2002-268) ****************************************************************