Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 29 Oct 2002 to 30 Oct 2002 (#2002-282) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 31/10/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 7 messages totalling 352 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Gold (3) 2. I need some help (4) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:36:45 -0700 From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Gold Well it has SOME value because of what you said, "the ability to barter with it." Everyone takes it--it is currency. Therefore it has some value. And since our money is made of paper... how valuable is that? (And no, paper money is no longer required to be backed up by gold.) I think you can say that Gold should be less valuable in your opinion, but you can consider a special history of the world to decide why it has the value it does... such as it USED to be scarce and was established as a currency, and now that's what's used. Gold is certainly not valuable for it's metallic properties unless you're talking about electronics (iron and steel would be much more valuable in a medeival world). I think it's just currency, just like old cultures would use a circular stone with a hole through it for currency. Not because rocks are rare. > Going back to gold... I think the value depends on > availabity/accessibility and also on the ability to > barter with it. In Mystara, it is so widely > accessible and available, that generally I don't see > how it can be valuable given common sense economics of > valuation, and also being that humanoids probaly > cannot trade it to humans (considering that they might > perhaps be slayed on sight), the humanoids could > barter/trade with something completely different > amongst themselves and different groups. One has to > consider the motivational and driving factors behind > different groups, often competitive groups, and > consider the value of things (such as gold) given > availability and accessibility. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:01:40 -0800 From: Joe Kelly Subject: I need some help I am using the Mega Dungeon from the wizards of the coast site, but I want = to give the rooms each a specific purpose, but I CAN'T THINK OF THAT MANY! = So any suggestions of what they could be would be much appreciated. = Instead of a Dungeon, I'm making it more of an underground base. Any = website suggestions? Thanks! JK Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:48:50 +1100 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: Re: Gold Gold gold gold gold gold..... gold gold gold gold..... gold GOLD gold Gold gold.... damn... does anyone know the next verse? -----Original Message----- From: Angelo Bertolli [mailto:abertoll@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:37 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Gold Well it has SOME value because of what you said, "the ability to barter with it." Everyone takes it--it is currency. Therefore it has some value. And since our money is made of paper... how valuable is that? (And no, paper money is no longer required to be backed up by gold.) I think you can say that Gold should be less valuable in your opinion, but you can consider a special history of the world to decide why it has the value it does... such as it USED to be scarce and was established as a currency, and now that's what's used. Gold is certainly not valuable for it's metallic properties unless you're talking about electronics (iron and steel would be much more valuable in a medeival world). I think it's just currency, just like old cultures would use a circular stone with a hole through it for currency. Not because rocks are rare. > Going back to gold... I think the value depends on > availabity/accessibility and also on the ability to > barter with it. In Mystara, it is so widely > accessible and available, that generally I don't see > how it can be valuable given common sense economics of > valuation, and also being that humanoids probaly > cannot trade it to humans (considering that they might > perhaps be slayed on sight), the humanoids could > barter/trade with something completely different > amongst themselves and different groups. One has to > consider the motivational and driving factors behind > different groups, often competitive groups, and > consider the value of things (such as gold) given > availability and accessibility. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:11:54 +0000 From: adrian mattias Subject: Re: Gold The difference between paper money and gold of course, is that paper money has no inherent value, but gold does. That is, gold in the RW is worth about US$320 an ounce, and paper is worth about US$0.0001 per ounce. As more or less gold is mined, the price of gold goes up or down. Which was why in the 1980s, gold was worth almost US$1,000 an ounce. The value of gold will also be affected by population growth. That is, as population grows, and the gold stock remains the same, gold becomes more valuable. Gold is valuable because 1) it is relatively rare, and 2) people like it. If your Mystara is awash with gold, it does not mean that people still wont want it, it just means that you need more of it to buy anything, i.e. the value has gone down and the extra gold is exerting an inflationary effect on the price of everything else because gold is your currency. ALso need to think about the practical side of obtaining large amounts of gold in your campaign. 1 million gp (say from the hoard of a defeated dragon) might sound like a lot (and in fact it is) but spread across the 50 odd million humans and tens of millions of humanoids on Mystara, it wouldn't make much difference to the price of gold or anything else for that matter, if it were reintroduced into the exchange system. In any case, any DM who allows his players to find, transport and keep every last gp they find is doing something wrong. Imagine the logistics of transporting a million gp? It would weigh something like 25 tons and would make an easy target for any rouge, bandit and humanoid within 100 miles. > From: Angelo Bertolli > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Gold > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:36:45 -0700 > > Well it has SOME value because of what you said, "the ability to barter > with > it." Everyone takes it--it is currency. Therefore it has some value. And > since our money is made of paper... how valuable is that? (And no, paper > money is no longer required to be backed up by gold.) > > I think you can say that Gold should be less valuable in your opinion, but > you can consider a special history of the world to decide why it has the > value it does... such as it USED to be scarce and was established as a > currency, and now that's what's used. > > Gold is certainly not valuable for it's metallic properties unless you're > talking about electronics (iron and steel would be much more valuable in a > medeival world). I think it's just currency, just like old cultures would > use a circular stone with a hole through it for currency. Not because > rocks > are rare. > > > Going back to gold... I think the value depends on > > availabity/accessibility and also on the ability to > > barter with it. In Mystara, it is so widely > > accessible and available, that generally I don't see > > how it can be valuable given common sense economics of > > valuation, and also being that humanoids probaly > > cannot trade it to humans (considering that they might > > perhaps be slayed on sight), the humanoids could > > barter/trade with something completely different > > amongst themselves and different groups. One has to > > consider the motivational and driving factors behind > > different groups, often competitive groups, and > > consider the value of things (such as gold) given > > availability and accessibility. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:52:31 -0800 From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: I need some help --- Joe Kelly wrote: I am using the Mega Dungeon from the wizards of the coast site, but I want to give the rooms each a specific purpose, but I CAN'T THINK OF THAT MANY! So any suggestions of what they could be would be much appreciated. Instead of a Dungeon, I'm making it more of an underground base. Any website suggestions? Thanks! Pretty normal stuff, but maybe this will help KS Altar Antechamber Armory Audience Eiin- Aviary Banquet Room Barracks Bath Bedroom/boudior Bestiary Cell Chantry Chapel Cistern Classroom Closet Conjuring Room Court Crypt Dining Room Dormitory Dressing Room Entry-/vestibule Force Field Fou Ntal N Fresco, Mosaic, or Painting Gallery Game Room Guardroom Harem/seraglio Idol Illusion Kennel Kitchen Laboratory Library Lounge Machine Meditation Observatory Office Pantry Pedestal Pen/prison Pool Reception Hall Refectory Robing Room Salon Shrine Sitting Room Smithy Solar Stable Statue Storage Strongroom/vault Study Tapestry Teleporter Temple Throne Room Torture Chamber Trophy Room/museum Vegetation/indoor Garden Waiting Room Wafer Closet/toilet Well Workroom Workshop __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:13:54 -0800 From: Joe Kelly Subject: Re: I need some help Thanks KS this was a HUGE help. I only remembered, barracks, dungeon, = meeting room and storage (weapons room) oh and an audience hall. Thanks = for the Huge list.=20 :) JK Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:44:27 -0800 From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: I need some help You're welcome, but I wouldn't mind it at all if anyone had something to add, always looking for new stuff. KS --- Joe Kelly wrote: > Thanks KS this was a HUGE help. I only remembered, barracks, dungeon, > meeting room and storage (weapons room) oh and an audience hall. Thanks > for the Huge list. > > :) JK Wolf > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 29 Oct 2002 to 30 Oct 2002 (#2002-282) ****************************************************************