Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 Nov 2002 to 13 Nov 2002 (#2002-295) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 14/11/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 501 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Ghost Bombs (2) 2. A Guide to Human Ethnography - Main Racial Table 3. A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of Fire (2) 4. NWN - more culture pack pics (2) 5. A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of Fire 6. A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of 7. 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Ville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:15:48 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: A Guide to Human Ethnography - Main Racial Table A GUIDE TO HUMAN ETHNOGRAPHY ---------------------------- 1/Main Racial Table 1.Proto-tanagoro -----> Tanagoro -----> other black skinned humans 2.Northians -----> 2.1 Skotharians (Proto-oltecs) -----> 2.2 Brunians 3.Southians -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 2.1 Skotharians ---> Afridhi ---> Peshwah ---> Ethengarans ---> Oltecs ---> Valoin --> Valemen --> Littonians 2.2 Brunians --> Neathar --> Lhomar -> Lhomarrians -> Selhomarrians ===== Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis "We poor few forged as brothers in this furnace will emerge as the steel of future generations" -- from "Legionary's Prayers", by Ionaos Nolan ______________________________________________________________________ Per te Blu American Express è gratis! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://www.americanexpress.it/land_yahoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:21:15 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of Fire A GUIDE TO HUMAN ETHNOGRAHY --------------------------- 2/History: Before the Great Rain of Fire About 75'000 BC, the original human population lives in south-eastern Skothar, in the regions around the Tangor Bay. A group of humans migrates thence during the space of the following 5'000 years. The humans that remain there become the ancestors of the Tanagoro and of the other black-skinned human races. The migration starts eastward; a group stops not too far, just east of the Tangor Chain, between 67'000-56'000 BC, giving origin to the ethnic group of the Southians. These are similar to the RW Austrics. No fan-based or canon material has been ever written about them: if someone will ever detail a culture similar to the southern Asiatic or Pacific populations, he should devise a possible link with these. Given the proximity of this area with pre-cataclysmic Zyxl, they could be used there. En passant, I note that until someone does, we can suppose that this population could have died out. The other group, that we will call Northian, migrates on, upwards the eastern coast of Skothar. The Northians (RW Nostratics) develope lighter skin tones than those of the original human race and of the Southians. Around 50'000 BC they split in two groups, the Skotharians and the Brunians. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- SKOTHARIANS The first Northian group remains in Skothar. It evolves into the Proto-oltecs, also called Skotharians (45'000 BC, RW Sino-Altaic). Proto-oltecs are the ancestors of Peshwans, Littonians, Afridhi and Oltecs. They are supposedly similar to the Real World Sino-Altaic supergroup; their most known common trait are the almond-shaped eyes. Part of the Proto-Oltecs move to the western coastal region. From there, they migrate to Bellissaria and then, through the Alatians and the Isle of Dawn, they reach the shores of the Sea of Dread around 35'000 BC. They are later joined by two other Skotharian migrations; the various groups eventually become the Oltecs (15'000 BC; RW Amerindians). Three main linguistic groups result from the Proto-oltecs of northern and central Skothar: Valoin (RW Ugro-Finns), Afridhi, that will later become sedentary farmers (9'000 BC, RW Sino-Tibetans) and Peshwans (RW Turk-Mongols), that will remain nomadic horseriders even during historical times. -Peshwah The Peshwans were mostly absorbed by the Blackmoor Empire, although some left westwards to Brun; some reached the Midlands (3'000 BC), and much later the Hulean region, where they imposed their culture and language to a Neathar population, resulting in the formation of the Hulean race. Others stayed in the steppes, where they settled (3'200 BC). After centuries of hardship following the Rain of Fire, they succesfully defeated the Antalians passing through their land, assimilating them (2'300 BC). Later they suffered a cultural change imposed by Akkila Khan's humanoid invasion, and they became the Ethengarians (1'700 BC; RW Mongols). It is possible that some eastern nation in Skothar descends from the Peshwans. This could explain the presence of other races similar to the RW Turk-Mongols on Skothar. -Afridhi There are no clues about the Afridhi's fate after the Great Rain of Fire, although we can assume that fan-based material that would describe Chinese or Tibetan cultures on eastern Skothar should probably base their ethnicity on Afridhi blood. -Valoin The Valoin of southern Skothar are faced by the menace of aggressive Tanagoro, and leave Skothar for the western lands, passing first through the fastland south of the Frosthaven sea (9'000 BC) and thus reaching eastern Brun. Through time, those on Brun will settle around the Frosthaven sea, where they developed the somatic traits of blond hair and blue eyes, and are later all asbsorbed by the Neathar, accounting for the presence of those somatic traits in some of the Neathar-descended populations. The last group of the Valoin remained in Skothar to face the Tanagoro. Known as the Valemen, they were in the end forced to flee north (6'000 BC); there they were faced by the Afridhi, and thus they were forced to the far west of Skothar (4'200 BC). After the Great Rain of Fire they left Skothar for Brun, settling in Norwold, where they would become known as the Littonians (2'800 BC). -Oltecs See individual entry for Oltecs BRUNIANS The second group of the Northian migration leaves Skothar and reaches Brun (40'000 BC). They are known as "Brunians", and later evolve into the Neathar (25'000 BC; RW ancestors of Indoeuropeans and Afroasiatics) and Lhomar. The Neathar were a lot of many different clans and tribes, generally fast-reproducing and aggressive, that absorbed most of the Lhomar tribes, less fertile and more peaceful and ponderative, and inclined to cultural developement. -Lhomar To avoid being absorbed, some Lhomar went southwards, to become the Lhomarrians, that would found an Empire (8'000 BC) and then be destroyed in a war with the Carnifex (7'000 BC). A group of Lhomarrian exiles, however, passed through the Isle of Dawn to reach Alphatia, where they joined with the Afaharian tribes and became the Yanifey (5'000 - 4'500 BC). -Neathar Among the Neathar there were two main group: one of them will return on Skothar, through the fastland north of the Frosthaven sea. These are the Ahonians (10'500 BC) . The other Neathar group, remained on Brun, is known as Aharians or True Neathar (RW Indoeuropeans); later they are joined by Valoin migrations from Skothar (9'000 BC): they are overall genetically about 80% Brunian and 20% Valoin; however, the presence of many tribes and clans, plus remnants of previous races and migrations result in the fact that several Aharian races may have more, or less, or none Valoin blood in them. The Protolhomarrian blood is more evident in the northern originated Aharians: blue eyes and blonde hair are the signs of this influence. See also individual entry for Neathar. ===== Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis "We poor few forged as brothers in this furnace will emerge as the steel of future generations" -- from "Legionary's Prayers", by Ionaos Nolan ______________________________________________________________________ Per te Blu American Express è gratis! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://www.americanexpress.it/land_yahoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:55:34 -0800 From: John Calvin Subject: NWN - more culture pack pics Hi all, I uploaded some more screenshots from my cultural packs last night - this time from Glantri. You can find them here: http://www.geocities.com/chimpman.geo/NWN/NWNindex.html So far you can see a racial overview, and individual shots of Flaems, Caurenze, Boldavians, and Alphatians. Tonight I'll probably upload some more screenshots, as well as the erf file in case anyone wants to get their hands on the work I've done. Later tonight you can expect to see some Caurenze armor, Aalban military uniforms, uniforms for the Great Library, and perhaps a few more things as well. As always, comments are welcome. If anyone decides to use some of this material in a module of their own creating, I'd greatly like to hear about it. Enjoy. -John ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:08:31 -0800 From: John Calvin Subject: Re: A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of Fire >> A GUIDE TO HUMAN ETHNOGRAHY --------------------------- 2/History: Before the Great Rain of Fire About 75'000 BC, the original human population lives in south-eastern Skothar, << Nice work Giulio. Just some questions/comments: I noticed that there was a brief mention of the Carnifex in the Llhomarian entry, but I think that the Carnifex would have been major players in the history of Mystara during its "pre-history" era. Were the Carnifex isolated to a single location on the planet, or were they a world spanning empire. If so, what does that mean for the human's pre-history. How did the Carnifex shape their world, and the fate of the humans? Were they responsible for the migratory patterns? Did the humans make war with them, or were they slaves? -John ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:50:38 -0000 From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Ghost Bombs > What is/was encyclopedia magica? A Journal? It was a 4 book collection of all magic items and artifacts published by TSR up to that date, from OD&D,AD&D and the tsr magazines. Mortus. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:20:49 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of Fire > the presence of many tribes and clans, plus remnants > of previous races and migrations result in the fact > that several Aharian races may have more, or less, > or > none Valoin blood in them. The Protolhomarrian blood > is more evident in the northern originated Aharians: > blue eyes and blonde hair are the signs of this > influence. > See also individual entry for Neathar. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! A %&"£%$!/((&!%£&$"%$£&"£ typo!!!!!! This is a remnant from the old version that I corrected...originally, I had used the Lhomarrians as blue eyed. Then we discussed on the list about Ethnography more than one month ago and you pointed out that Lhomarrians have dark hair and brown eyes, so I changed the blue eyed/blond haired attribute from Lhomarrians to Valemen (and Valoin, their ancestors) that are related to Finns and thus even more similar to what is the real world situation. This is a typo that should read: "The Valoin blood is more evident..." Ehr, Shawn, if you read this, do you want me to send you a mail (without sending it to the MML) with a corrected version? ===== Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis "We poor few forged as brothers in this furnace will emerge as the steel of future generations" -- from "Legionary's Prayers", by Ionaos Nolan ______________________________________________________________________ Per te Blu American Express è gratis! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://www.americanexpress.it/land_yahoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:26:18 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: A Guide to Human Ethnography - History: Before the Rain of I haven't read the Carnifex history so well that I remember when they rose in power, but they did in the regions of Lhomarr that should be far away from the places of origin of the human population. Thus I'd say that at least until 15'000 BC the humans shouldn't be too much involved with them. After that, the Carnifex influence may explain the absence of human migrations toward Davania in that period, and the fact that the only migration happened from Skothar to Brun, with few exceptions (at least until the carnifex died out). However, me and Agathokles are working hard to present you a full description of the situation... ===== Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis "We poor few forged as brothers in this furnace will emerge as the steel of future generations" -- from "Legionary's Prayers", by Ionaos Nolan ______________________________________________________________________ Per te Blu American Express è gratis! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://www.americanexpress.it/land_yahoo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:38:58 +0100 From: "S. van Doornspeek" Subject: Tax Collection Heyas, having been quiet for a long time on this list, years it seems, I do have a question. In several of the mystara products, taxes are mentioned and in DoE, there is a bit about taxes as well and how they relate to crimes. But, nowhere does it explain how taxes are collected. I assume that, for example, the Thyatian empire would send tax collectors after those who they know got a lot to pay, but what about the normal people? Do they go to a local official for this, or is there a periodical collection by an official? I'm curious to know if (and how) people have used taxes in their campaign. Cyas Bas "Deathwatch" van Doornspeek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:41:35 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Tax Collection From: "S. van Doornspeek" > > But, nowhere does it explain how taxes are collected. I assume that, for > example, the Thyatian empire would send tax collectors after those who they > know got a lot to pay, but what about the normal people? Do they go to a > local official for this, or is there a periodical collection by an official? In Gaz 3 Principalities of Glantri, four quarterly tax collection days are specifically identified: the 10th day of Vatermont, Yarthmont, and Fyrmont. Logically, the 10th day of Eirmont should be the 4th quarterly tax day, but it is not so identified in Gaz 3. According to the PWA, Karameikos collects quarterly taxes on the first days of the same months, and Darokin collects annual taxes on the first day of Thaumont. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:40:24 -0800 From: John Calvin Subject: Re: NWN - more culture pack pics The Glantri erf is now available, and there are several more pics uploaded. http://www.geocities.com/chimpman.geo/NWN/NWNindex.html -John ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 Nov 2002 to 13 Nov 2002 (#2002-295) ****************************************************************