Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Nov 2002 to 28 Nov 2002 (#2002-307) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 29/11/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 15 messages totalling 501 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Fantasy Empires 2. Bards in Mystara 3. D&D3e game stats for computers 4. _[MYSTARA]_Wanted:_Supreme_Sky_Diety 5. Wanted: Supreme Sky Diety (2) 6. Mystara NWN Italian Server 7. Unsavory Facts About Elves (5) 8. A website for DMs 9. Dragonlance Returns (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:42:30 +0100 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Fantasy Empires There's a patch for the program at: http://www.gamesdomain.com/patches/fe110.html and there's also a cheat: New character name - Jim Ward Once 1st turn is over you will start to receive full magic balls and max gold at the begining of every turn. Federico Kaftal _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:45:58 +0100 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Bards in Mystara Dunno if this topic was already discussed before: are there official Bards in Mystaran Canon? I remember: - Robrenn Rakes (really Bards, AFAIK, but not defined Bards officially) - Ozata the Bard, from (AD&D) "Hail the Heroes" adventure module, based in Karameikos Do you remember other sources? Federico Kaftal _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 03:51:39 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: D&D3e game stats for computers The intrusion of the FSS Beagle into Mystara's pre-history suggests that computers are devices whose stats need to be accounted for in the world of Mystara. But what are the possibilities for those stats? >> From what we know of real world computers, we should be able to get a pretty good idea of the possibilities. We will start with the simplest devices that are known to lack any sort of AI (artificial intelligence). For them we have the following: Str: -- (Computers lack any sort of ability to manipulate physical objects.) Dex: -- (Computers cannot move.) Con: -- (Computers are not living beings.) Int: Computers can have any Int value from 1 on up. In fact, Int is the only stat that any computer is guaranteed to have. Given that we have already managed to create computers capable of playing chess at grandmaster level as well as process other data beyond the ability of mere humans, it is safe to say that current computers without AI can achieve super-human Int levels. Wis, Cha: These ability scores distinguish creatures from objects. Thus, I would suggest that any computer lacking artificial intelligence would be a mer object that lacks either of these ability scores. Hardness/hit points/AC/etc.: In the absence of other information, computers would have the basic combat stats of an immobile device. Summary: A computer with no AI would be entirely lacking in any skills based on any stat other than Int and thus would automatically fail all such skill checks. Now add AI: What does that give us? I would suggest from available evidence that an artificially intelligent computer should gain a Cha score of 1 and a Wis score intermediate between its Int and Cha scores. Given that the average modern human still feels comfortably superior to his home PC, I would suggest the following ability scores for PCs that just manage to achieve sentiece before the average user feels threatened enough to shut them off: Int: 9 Wis: 4 Cha: 1 >> From the above stats, a computer given enough ranks in Int based skills should be able to achieve superhuman abilities in those skills. For Wis based skills, a computer should have a reasonable chance to overcome the Wis penalties for computers. For Cha based skills, a computer should feel lucky to have any competitive ability whatsoever -- in general, attempts by artificial intellligences to exert their personalities do not far particularly well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:23:46 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: _[MYSTARA]_Wanted:_Supreme_Sky_Diety --- Agathokles > > > Ethengar > A society based on nomadism on vast plains would > certainly worship the > sky as part of its pantheon--if not as the main god. > Ethengar Immortals > include Yamuga (Terra?), Cretia, and Tubak (Ixion). Officially, Yamunga has been identified as Odin. Can't remember the source right now, but Im pretty sure I've seen that. Håvard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:53:39 +0800 From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" Subject: Re: Wanted: Supreme Sky Diety > > Ethengar > > A society based on nomadism on vast plains would > > certainly worship the > > sky as part of its pantheon--if not as the main god. > > Ethengar Immortals > > include Yamuga (Terra?), Cretia, and Tubak (Ixion). > > Officially, Yamunga has been identified as Odin. Can't > remember the source right now, but Im pretty sure I've > seen that. > > Håvard I must disagree. In WOTI, Yamuga the Yurt-Dweller is explicitly stated as the persona of Terra in Ethengar. It is also explained that in her role as Yamuga, she is worshipped as patroness of life, death, and cycles of the year, so by my understanding, that would probably include watching the sky, climate and weather. In the Ethengar GAZ, it is explained that the Ethengar believe the dome of the sky is the dome of a giant yurt (tent). This would also support the idea that the sky would be part of Yamuga/Terra's realm of influence, according to the Ethengar view. Kit Navarro Fanatical Canon-Thumping Religious Mythologist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:44:07 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Wanted: Supreme Sky Diety --- "Francisco V. Navarro V" wrote: > I must disagree. In WOTI, Yamuga the Yurt-Dweller is > explicitly stated as > the persona of Terra in Ethengar. It is also > explained that in her role as > Yamuga, she is worshipped as patroness of life, > death, and cycles of the > year, so by my understanding, that would probably > include watching the sky, > climate and weather. Yeah youre right. Sorry, I was sure I'd seen Odin in there, but Terra does fit better aswell. Thanks for clarifying that, Håvard :) ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:02:33 +0000 From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: Mystara NWN Italian Server Hi there > I'd suggest for the New Neverwinter Mystara Project > (Francesco and John?) to take a look at this: And me too (so far only three of us). In fact one of the guys from that server already promissed to join us (so far only promissed though :D ) That server looks really great! It is a walking tour of Mystara. I wish I could speak italian :^( Thanks for your help Ricardo Matheus a.k.a. Darkblood owner of the Mystara Map Navigator (www.geocities.com/darkblood18) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:04:39 +0800 From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" Subject: Unsavory Facts About Elves Hail Mystarans! This is a rather unsavory topic, but curiosity is getting the best of me. There's no other way of posing this question but straight up, even at the risk of offending certain delicate elven sensibilities. Do elves urinate or defecate? My brother (former gamer) says they don't, and that somehow their bodies are so pure and magical that all the food they eat are consumed and absorbed leaving no waste products, liquid or solid. He has no reference/source for this, save perhaps the innkeeper in the first stage of the Baldur's Gate game, who always says, "My inn is as clean as an elven arse!" So I pose the questions to you, my fellow Mystarans. Kit Navarro Unsavory Enchanter from Glantri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:29:35 -0800 From: Joe Kelly Subject: A website for DMs I never thought about sharing this but I guess it would good idea for all = you DMs out there! :) JK Wolf http://www.roleplayingtips.com/current_issue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:50:42 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves > Do elves urinate or defecate? I would say yes. The "elven arse" comment more likely comes from the fact that elves are considered to be extremely hygienic. Still, the final decicion is left up to the GM. Ofcourse, then you would keep asking the same question about dwarves, halfings, rakasta...etc etc... In what way is this essential to your campaign btw? :) Håvard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:06:07 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves Why elves would have an arse hole for then? if you think that the need creates the organ , then what's the use for an arse? Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Havard Faanes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Unsavory Facts About Elves > > Do elves urinate or defecate? > > I would say yes. The "elven arse" comment more likely > comes from the fact that elves are considered to be > extremely hygienic. > > Still, the final decicion is left up to the GM. > Ofcourse, then you would keep asking the same question > about dwarves, halfings, rakasta...etc etc... > > In what way is this essential to your campaign btw? :) > > Håvard > > ______________________________________________________ > Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ > Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:45:06 +0200 From: Solmyr Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves Thibault Sarlat wrote: > > Why elves would have an arse hole for then? > if you think that the need creates the organ , then what's the use for an > arse? > Kinky elvish sex? :) :) :) -- Solmyr of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi World of Enothril website - http://enothril.topcities.com/ The Archmage's Tower - http://www.geocities.com/solmyr.geo/ "War does not determine who is right. War determines who is left." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:11:56 -0800 From: Joe Kelly Subject: Re: Dragonlance Returns For this to happen you have to look at how busy the message boards are: Title Messages sent Dragonlance 2416 Darksun 2281 Spelljammer 960 Planescape 953 Mystara 751 Birthright 626 As you can see Mystara is not that active compared to other campaign = settings :( JK Wolf=20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:48:26 -0500 From: Falconer Subject: Re: Dragonlance Returns Joe Kelly wrote: > Dragonlance 2429 Actually, Dragonlance has been split into three message boards, making their total 5964 as of this writing. > Darksun 2283 > Spelljammer 960 > Planescape 955 > Mystara 751 > Birthright 626 Yeah, it's not scientific by any means, but it does reflect to some degree the relative popularity of the settings. DL has of course been kept alive through a very popular novel line. Some of those successful novel authors started their own company and bought the rights to produce DL games. I'm sure WotC would be thrilled to sell the rights to any of these other settings if the price was right (SJ and PS would probably be too tricky, though). But it DOES look like Darksun, if anything, would be next, doesn't it? Regards. -- Michael Falconer http://www.dwarvenmilitia.com/greyhawk/ "Because by fate even the gods are cast down, weep ye all with me." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:14:30 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" > > This is a rather unsavory topic, but curiosity is getting the best of me. > There's no other way of posing this question but straight up, even at the > risk of offending certain delicate elven sensibilities. > > Do elves urinate or defecate? > > My brother (former gamer) says they don't, and that somehow their bodies are > so pure and magical that all the food they eat are consumed and absorbed > leaving no waste products, liquid or solid. > > He has no reference/source for this, save perhaps the innkeeper in the first > stage of the Baldur's Gate game, who always says, "My inn is as clean as an > elven arse!" > > So I pose the questions to you, my fellow Mystarans. As an elf, I must surely shake my head at your brother's misconceptions. Our longevity and general superiority to other humanoids does not quite extend to the point of "our crap doesn't stink" or "our crap does not even exist". At best we exercise better care to dispose of our waste matter before other races become aware of it -- and in that aspect we are slightly superior to humans and far superior to orcs. We produce all of the same waste matter as lesser humanoids, but we are at least a bit better at properly disposing of that waste.... ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Nov 2002 to 28 Nov 2002 (#2002-307) ****************************************************************