Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 28 Nov 2002 to 29 Nov 2002 (#2002-308) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 30/11/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 7 messages totalling 284 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Unsavory Facts About Elves (6) 2. Bards in Mystara ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:01:35 +1100 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves Actually this raises ann interesting theory. Is elven mlongevity partly dues to a high level of naturally produced antioxidants....which may lead to in fact a much increased excretion rate. This could very well mean that the in fact crap considerably more often and in vast amounts. And due to the imoortals need to remove toxins far more efficiently their crap may in fact stink even more. Feel free to ignore this, i dislike elves intensely and am always happy to find more reasons to loath them. -----Original Message----- From: David Knott [mailto:uashell@EARTHLINK.NET] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:15 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Unsavory Facts About Elves From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" > > This is a rather unsavory topic, but curiosity is getting the best of me. > There's no other way of posing this question but straight up, even at the > risk of offending certain delicate elven sensibilities. > > Do elves urinate or defecate? > > My brother (former gamer) says they don't, and that somehow their bodies are > so pure and magical that all the food they eat are consumed and absorbed > leaving no waste products, liquid or solid. > > He has no reference/source for this, save perhaps the innkeeper in the first > stage of the Baldur's Gate game, who always says, "My inn is as clean as an > elven arse!" > > So I pose the questions to you, my fellow Mystarans. As an elf, I must surely shake my head at your brother's misconceptions. Our longevity and general superiority to other humanoids does not quite extend to the point of "our crap doesn't stink" or "our crap does not even exist". At best we exercise better care to dispose of our waste matter before other races become aware of it -- and in that aspect we are slightly superior to humans and far superior to orcs. We produce all of the same waste matter as lesser humanoids, but we are at least a bit better at properly disposing of that waste.... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:53:59 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Bards in Mystara Federico Kaftal wrote: > Dunno if this topic was already discussed before: > are there official Bards in Mystaran Canon? > > I remember: > - Robrenn Rakes (really Bards, AFAIK, but not defined Bards officially) > - Ozata the Bard, from (AD&D) "Hail the Heroes" adventure module, based in > Karameikos > > Do you remember other sources? None else, but there are at least two canon characters that would make fine bards: King Koryn the Harpist (a roguish wizard in the OD&D canon), and Emilio the Great (a NM or 0-level human in Karameikos, both OD&D and AD&D). However, they were never translated as Bards in AD&D... -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:02:16 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves Oh dear... When I wrote a file called Elven Biology a few years ago I fealt I was walking on eggshells when I adressed the subject of sex. I didn't go into the enteric system and hoped no one will mind. Kit, as my elder in science I am sure you have a a wide understanding on how the whole thing works.. In other words- elves whould have to be mighty magical for them not to deficate! IMO elves are less magical than say- dragons, which in turn are not as magical as Dryads, Fairies, Elementals and so on. Elves were created by Ordana, not an omnipotent being, and some of the net-history suggests that they were changed from some other form (Yuan Ti?). So basically, they are not godly things in humanoid form but humanoids with a slight affinity toward magic. I would suggest that thier metabolism is pretty much the same as any other humanoid, mammel or at least any vertebrate. If you want to make them more alien, you can say that they use the bird's (and some reptiles) strategy of a combined urinal and gastral expelling mechanism. But I do stress that elves are best left as creatures with very near-human biology. The existance of half-elves suggest a very close genetic proximaty and if half-elves are fertile (IMC they are not, in most AD&D campiagns they are so) than humans and elves are the same biological species (H.sapiens sapiens; H.sapiens sylvanis if you will) making the use of the word "race" more apropriate. I had all the humanoids belong to the genus "Homo" with various species- sapiens, sylvanis, monstrum, minoris, etc' All theses species are very close so basically they can have offsprings but these will most likely be infertile. BTW I don't think that "why do they have an ass-hole then?" is a valid argument... The immortals are mysterious, or just forgetful. Morphail (who is finishing his B.SC in biology this year- Yeay!) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:28:03 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves after discussing the sex of the angerls , we could talk about the arse hole of the elves... : )))))) Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr;clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Unsavory Facts About Elves > Oh dear... > When I wrote a file called Elven Biology a few years ago I fealt I was walking on eggshells when I adressed the subject of sex. I didn't go into the enteric system and hoped no one will mind. > Kit, as my elder in science I am sure you have a a wide understanding on how the whole thing works.. > In other words- elves whould have to be mighty magical for them not to deficate! > IMO elves are less magical than say- dragons, which in turn are not as magical as Dryads, Fairies, Elementals and so on. Elves were created by Ordana, not an omnipotent being, and some of the net-history suggests that they were changed from some other form (Yuan Ti?). So basically, they are not godly things in humanoid form but humanoids with a slight affinity toward magic. > I would suggest that thier metabolism is pretty much the same as any other humanoid, mammel or at least any vertebrate. > If you want to make them more alien, you can say that they use the bird's (and some reptiles) strategy of a combined urinal and gastral expelling mechanism. > But I do stress that elves are best left as creatures with very near-human biology. The existance of half-elves suggest a very close genetic proximaty and if half-elves are fertile (IMC they are not, in most AD&D campiagns they are so) than humans and elves are the same biological species (H.sapiens sapiens; H.sapiens sylvanis if you will) making the use of the word "race" more apropriate. > I had all the humanoids belong to the genus "Homo" with various species- sapiens, sylvanis, monstrum, minoris, etc' > All theses species are very close so basically they can have offsprings but these will most likely be infertile. > > BTW > I don't think that "why do they have an ass-hole then?" is a valid argument... The immortals are mysterious, or just forgetful. > > Morphail (who is finishing his B.SC in biology this year- Yeay!) > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:46:38 +0200 From: Solmyr Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves Thibault Sarlat wrote: > > after discussing the sex of the angerls , we could talk about the arse hole > of the elves... > : )))))) > Maybe elves are like the angels in Dogma - lacking various "parts" entirely. Of course, it would raise the question of elven reproduction... :) -- Solmyr of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi World of Enothril website - http://enothril.topcities.com/ The Archmage's Tower - http://www.geocities.com/solmyr.geo/ "War does not determine who is right. War determines who is left." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:03:31 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves > But I do stress that elves are best left as creatures with very > near-human biology. The existance of half-elves suggest a very close > genetic proximaty and if half-elves are fertile (IMC they are not, in > most AD&D campiagns they are so) than humans and elves are the same > biological species (H.sapiens sapiens; H.sapiens sylvanis if you will) > making the use of the word "race" more apropriate. Well IIRC Gaz 5 states that there is no such thing as a half elf in Mystara. Offspring of elves and humans are either elven or human depending on if the mother is an elf or not (can't remember offhand which parent means what). Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 03:12:11 -0000 From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Unsavory Facts About Elves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Furneaux" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Unsavory Facts About Elves > > But I do stress that elves are best left as creatures with very > > near-human biology. The existance of half-elves suggest a very close > > genetic proximaty and if half-elves are fertile (IMC they are not, in > > most AD&D campiagns they are so) than humans and elves are the same > > biological species (H.sapiens sapiens; H.sapiens sylvanis if you will) > > making the use of the word "race" more apropriate. > > Well IIRC Gaz 5 states that there is no such thing as a half elf in Mystara. > Offspring of elves and humans are either elven or human depending on if the > mother is an elf or not (can't remember offhand which parent means what). > This is contradicted by Bruce's Savage Coast and other stuff for both versions, and the 2nd edition stuff has 1/2elves mentioned in several of the box sets including several NPCs. Paul ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 28 Nov 2002 to 29 Nov 2002 (#2002-308) ****************************************************************