Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Dec 2002 to 16 Dec 2002 (#2002-325) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 17/12/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 5 messages totalling 200 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Biology Lessons for Druids and DMs (Symbiosis) (2) 2. test (3) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:16:22 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Biology Lessons for Druids and DMs (Symbiosis) I think that "lots of monsters" wouldn't cause an ecological disaster. Even if the monsters were teleported in, and are permenent, they are not many of them in an ecological view point. Dozens or hundreds of creatures spread across a large land such as Glantri would'nt effect the ecology to a great effect. While these creatures are somhow "top predetors" they could also be- undead (no effect on ecology), constructs/ elementals (same), or pseudo-natural creatures with a preference to humanoid flesh. A decrease in human(oid) population can a only good to the ecology (but in any case humans in glantri are not so numerous 3/4 of a milion on a country the size of Britain IIRC). So in time the humans will manage to kill most monsters and to restore human population level to stability. Morphail. David Knott wrote:From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" > > I can imagine what bio-eco disasters there are in Glantri post-WotI. Never > mind the usual ravages of war (i.e. mass destruction, dead bodies, plague, > and magical pollution.). With all the monsters summoned by the Alphatian > wizards, there would hardly be anything left of "natural flora and fauna" in > the Highlands. A lot would depend on whether the monsters in question were summoned or teleported into Glantri. If they were summoned, then they would run around causing havoc until they disappeared when the spell expired -- in which case there would be a lot of humans and/or elves killed but little damage to the wildlife or ecology. If the monsters were teleported into Glantri, there would be no magical limitation to remove them from the scene, and thus those monsters not killed by the Glantrians could have escaped into the wilderness and begun wreaking have there -- especially if enough monsters of the same kind escaped to have a viable breeding community. So -- does anyone have any evidence one way or the other as to the extent the Alphatians may have used each method for attacking Glantrians with monsters during WotI? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:41:42 +0800 From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" Subject: Re: Biology Lessons for Druids and DMs (Symbiosis) Hail Mystarans! Here, here! I agree with the Dark Prince... but not entirely. Yes, foreign/exotic/alien/monstrous/magical creatures can lead to ecological disaster. Yes, Glantri will not be adversely affected. But for a different reason. Whereas in the RW, science has advanced sufficiently to control/prevent/fix pollution and ecological disasters, in FRPG worlds, magic would probably play a parallel role. Thus, in Glantri, which no doubt can muster sufficient magical manpower (i.e. wizards) and resources (i.e. spells and items), to control/eliminate these creatures and repair thier ecological damage. (Now, if those hordes of magical monsters were sent, say to Karameikos... Mwahahahaha!) In fact, I believe Glantrians do magically control their environment to a considerable agree. Fenswick, for example, would be the home of weather magic, which would help the agricultural crops in a difficult area. Kit Navarro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Biology Lessons for Druids and DMs (Symbiosis) > I think that "lots of monsters" wouldn't cause an ecological disaster. > Even if the monsters were teleported in, and are permenent, they are not many of them in an ecological view point. Dozens or hundreds of creatures spread across a large land such as Glantri would'nt effect the ecology to a great effect. While these creatures are somhow "top predetors" they could also be- undead (no effect on ecology), constructs/ elementals (same), or pseudo-natural creatures with a preference to humanoid flesh. A decrease in human(oid) population can a only good to the ecology (but in any case humans in glantri are not so numerous 3/4 of a milion on a country the size of Britain IIRC). So in time the humans will manage to kill most monsters and to restore human population level to stability. > Morphail. > David Knott wrote:From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" > > > > I can imagine what bio-eco disasters there are in Glantri post-WotI. Never > > mind the usual ravages of war (i.e. mass destruction, dead bodies, plague, > > and magical pollution.). With all the monsters summoned by the Alphatian > > wizards, there would hardly be anything left of "natural flora and fauna" > in > > the Highlands. > > A lot would depend on whether the monsters in question were > summoned or teleported into Glantri. If they were summoned, > then they would run around causing havoc until they disappeared > when the spell expired -- in which case there would be a lot of > humans and/or elves killed but little damage to the wildlife or > ecology. If the monsters were teleported into Glantri, there > would be no magical limitation to remove them from the scene, > and thus those monsters not killed by the Glantrians could have > escaped into the wilderness and begun wreaking have there -- > especially if enough monsters of the same kind escaped to have > a viable breeding community. So -- does anyone have any > evidence one way or the other as to the extent the Alphatians > may have used each method for attacking Glantrians with > monsters during WotI? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:04:56 -0500 From: SteelAngel Subject: test -- Kinard 210 Linux Guru Webmaster www.steelangel.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:35:24 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: test test ok pour moi Thibault Sarlat. Techniques de l'Ingénieur Port: 06 84 92 32 55 Fax: 05 56 96 85 24 www.techniques-ingenieur.fr ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteelAngel" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] test > -- > Kinard 210 Linux Guru > Webmaster www.steelangel.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:46:37 -0500 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: test On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Thibault Sarlat wrote: > test ok pour moi Good. :) I didn't realize that I accidentally unsubscribed from the list about a month ago when I stopped forwarding on an old email address. I'm back! 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