Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 18 Dec 2002 to 19 Dec 2002 (#2002-328) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 20/12/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 5 messages totalling 166 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Teleporting Arch? why not 2. D&D (Thyatis) vs. Femminism (2) 3. Vorloi Clan Perspective (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:53:55 -0600 From: Neal Taylor Subject: Re: Teleporting Arch? why not Have you ever read the hero of Varay series? In it there were Teleportation doors from castle to castle that were used. I wonder if we could work up a way to use that without it being abused? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:17:41 -0200 From: JJJ Subject: D&D (Thyatis) vs. Femminism Fellow Mystarans, A friend of mine did reccently a very interesting academic essay about = chauvinism in D&D. He demonstrated, based on the draws in the books, how = females were gaining more space in a game that was created BY males FOR = males. But he concluded that it will be a long way till justice. The greatest example of D&D machism is the Drow society. The only famous = one that is matriarcal and it is Chaotic Evil, ruled by treachery and = wims, hardest a good work for battling machism.... Anyway, his work make me think a lot about these questions in game play. = As a fantasy world we can lay hands on these things, make'em lively = discussions and a good form of making people think about their = attitudes. THEN it comes to Mystara... WHY, IN THE NAME OF THANATOS, WOULD A = SOCIETY WHOSE GREATEST IMMORTAL IS VANYA ,HAVE RESISTANCES TO EMPRESSES, = WARRIOR-MAIDENS AND THE LIKE?????? In Thyatis women should have first place in many a thing, at least after = the Emperor Zendrolions death. Why should it be strange for women to = fight and be warriors? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:48:50 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: D&D (Thyatis) vs. Femminism > The greatest example of D&D machism is the Drow society. The only famous > one that is matriarcal and it is Chaotic Evil, ruled by treachery and > wims, hardest a good work for battling machism.... *cough* Forgetable Realms *cough* > THEN it comes to Mystara... WHY, IN THE NAME OF THANATOS, WOULD A > SOCIETY WHOSE GREATEST IMMORTAL IS VANYA ,HAVE RESISTANCES TO EMPRESSES, > WARRIOR-MAIDENS AND THE LIKE?????? > > In Thyatis women should have first place in many a thing, at least after > the Emperor Zendrolions death. Why should it be strange for women to > fight and be warriors? Cause it is based on rome and the romans didn't think of women as equil. Hell we still don't put women on the front lines. Why then should it be strange that they *shouldn't* be warriors and such in thyatis? I know that everything today tends to be *Politically correct* but what is wrong with a fantasy society that has such elements of historical realism. It adds depth and character to the world and provides many roleplaying opitunities that do not exist in an equil society, or more to the point a society that has always been equil (which I think cannot be said about any society). Don't get me wrong, I'm not sexist, just that I can't see why there should be a problem with a society scripted as male dominated. If you can have a female dominated society in RPGs why not a male one? You don't have to play it as such. And it is a *historical fantasy* RPG not modern reality. IMO there is about as much of a case for D&D promoteing sexism by having a male dominated society as there is for D&D promoteing satanism because it has demons etc. and we all know what a load of bull that is. Having a single sex dominated society in an RPG acts not to chalenge your view of equality but to allow for the awareness of what it is like without equality and why inequality is unjust. It's an RPG and you should be able to play it however you like cause it is for your enjoyment and if you don't enjoy it you are not going to play it. One of the greatest aspects of mystara is the variety that it has and this is just another example of that. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:18:02 -0800 From: Darth Darknerd Subject: Re: Vorloi Clan Perspective I checked out http://dnd.starflung.com/tralhist.html, and I couldn't find mention of Vorloi. Overall I like a lot of the material, I find it interesting, but I am cautious to stray off the cannon path. Unfortunately, there are gaps and contradictary, such as Vorloi and the presence of statesmen and senator(s) in Karameikos, or X6 Quaqmire, etc. - Joaquin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:43:28 +0100 From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Vorloi Clan Perspective Darth Darknerd wrote: > I checked out http://dnd.starflung.com/tralhist.html, > and I couldn't find mention of Vorloi. Overall I like > a lot of the material, I find it interesting, but I am > cautious to stray off the cannon path. Well, to each his own I suppose, but can't most work be cosidered = fleshing out of canon, something I assume you do yourself? If you like = it and it's interesting, what's to stop you from using the parts you = like? Canon police? :) > Unfortunately, there are gaps and contradictary, such > as Vorloi and the presence of statesmen and senator(s) > in Karameikos, or X6 Quaqmire, etc. Gaps and contradictions are everywhere, when you start using the old = adventure modules with the later GAZs. That's just a fact, and one that = menas you have to flex your creativity a little. Several people have = offered reasonable ideas for the Vorloi, and as for the = statesman/senator, can't you just use a title from GAZ 1 and call him a = Court Lord/Landed Lord/whatever? Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 18 Dec 2002 to 19 Dec 2002 (#2002-328) ****************************************************************