Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 8 Feb 2002 to 9 Feb 2002 (#2002-40) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 10/02/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 8 messages totalling 248 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. new poll on Vaults of Pandius (2) 2. How do you pronounce "geas"?? (2) 3. Return to the Assault on Glantri (2) 4. Geishas (Was: How do you pronounce "geas"??) (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:21:22 +1100 From: shawn stanley Subject: new poll on Vaults of Pandius I've put up a poll on the Vaults of Pandius http://dnd.starflung.com to help me run the site better. cheers shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 02:40:51 -0800 From: Brendan Corliss Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "geas"?? I seem to recall that there was an article on pronunciation in an early issue of Dragon . I believe this word was on the list. Maybe someone with the CD-ROM archive can verify this... --- "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" wrote: > given that the Merriam-Webster dictionary (see link > below) specifies to > pronunciation alternatives for the "gei" in > "geisha", one similar to > "gay" and one similar to "gee" Just out of curiosity (and I know this is totally OT), why would there be an alternate pronunciation for "geisha" (at least in a dictionary)? I speak a little bit of Japanese and one of the first things you learn about the language is that it is very phonetic with nearly 100% consistency (quite unlike the common language here on the list). Just seems a little odd... -Damon aka Brendan Corliss Corliss Enterprises, Ltd. Darokin City ===== May all your endeavors be Gold! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:34:55 -0500 From: Gilles Leblanc Subject: Re: new poll on Vaults of Pandius > I've put up a poll on the Vaults of Pandius http://dnd.starflung.com to > help me run the site better. > I took the poll, altough it doesnt JUMP out in your face, I had to look carefully to find it. And I submitted my eternal complaint with the Vaults : the procut review page should be more proeminent ! :) Anyway great work, I appreciate it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:46:46 +0100 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Return to the Assault on Glantri The Stalker wrote: > > Immortal magic failed during the WWM. We know that because the HW red > sun went out, yet the Floating Islands of Ar(kan) were unaffected. [..] > Doesn't the red sun function independently of Ixion? I mean, sure, he is > the sun prince and created it, no doubt there, but I'd think it would last > as long as Immortal magic works, regardless Ixion (Zandor's later success > at dispelling it being a special case). Uhm, it looks like the facts here are that: the Floating Islands were unaffected, and the Red Sun went out, during the WWM. The rest are but hypotheses. And the hypotheses you need to prove that Immortal Magic failed are: the Red Sun is powered by Immortal Magic, and the Floating Islands are powered by magic that is not Mortal or Immortal (note that even if we assumed these conditions, we would still not know what happened to the rest of the Immortal Magic effects on Mystara--even a single Immortal Magic effect that was working during the WWM would ruin your proof). But we can't really assume the conditions above, as they would imply that Floating Ar is based on magic more powerful than that of the Immortals, and it is pretty clear that they were created by a not so powerful Immortal, using at most some Immortal Magic. So, we should rather assume that Immortal Magic was functioning during the WWM (we do have one example, Floating Ar). Does this create a contradiction with the Red Sun being out? Since I don't think it was specified _why_ it did so, nothing should lead us to believe that it was a sudden failing of (all) Immortal Magic--this would be an arbitrary conclusion. At this point, you could ask how I justify the Red Sun sudden defaillance. Well, I think that if Zandor was able to dispel it, then the Red Sun must be, at least partially, powered by Mortal Magic--otherwise either all mortal wizards would be able to dispel immortal effects, or Zandor would not be a mortal wizard, and I think you would not agree on any of the two. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:17:01 -0800 From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: Geishas (Was: How do you pronounce "geas"??) Brendan Corliss wrote > --- "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" > wrote: > > given that the Merriam-Webster dictionary (see link > > below) specifies to > > pronunciation alternatives for the "gei" in > > "geisha", one similar to > > "gay" and one similar to "gee" > > Just out of curiosity (and I know this is totally OT), > why would there be an alternate pronunciation for > "geisha" (at least in a dictionary)? I speak a little > bit of Japanese and one of the first things you learn > about the language is that it is very phonetic with > nearly 100% consistency (quite unlike the common > language here on the list). Just seems a little odd... It's an alternative for the /ENGLISH/ pronunciation of the transliterative word "geisha". Since Japanese uses word sounds that are subtly different than English does, it's difficult for most English speakers to exactly match the sound that the Japanese word requires, so for some accents (most, actually, since this is the first pronunciation given by M-W) it comes out sounding more like /'gA-sh&/ while for other accents (like mine) it comes out more like /'gE-sh&/. OBMystara: Are there any cultures in Mystara that might have a trained role similar to the geisha of Japan? The word literally means "art-person" who were trained in ways to be entertaining and "light-hearted" company for men. They went through years of training before being allowed to "practice their art". Being a geisha was actually considered to be quite a prestigious role for a woman to have. Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:38:25 +0100 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Geishas (Was: How do you pronounce "geas"??) "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" wrote: > > OBMystara: Are there any cultures in Mystara that might have a trained > role similar to the geisha of Japan? Apart from the obvious (Myoshima), the other cultures that might have geisha roles would be Milenia and its descendants (hetairai), and perhaps Nithia in the past. Alphatia doesn't seem a good choice, and the Known World countries are either not enough art-oriented, or provide a view of the genders that's just too modern. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:00:53 +1000 From: Michael Diehm Subject: Re: Return to the Assault on Glantri Don't forget that before the Day of Dread, there was The Extra Day (28 Amphimir) in the Alphatian Empire when all magic failed. I guess this phenomena may have ceased to occur with the sinking of the continent. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:13:04 -0600 From: Roger Girtman Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "geas"??

Geas is pronounced like "geese" (you know, the birds...)--or, phonetically "gees".

Source for this comes from an English Education major (myself), a Journalism professor (grandpa), and my dad (who doesn't have anything special as far as degrees go, but he's purty damned smart)--two of which have IQ's above 160 (I'm not going to say which ones) so you can pretty much figure out that the pronunciations are accurate, lol...

 

Anyway, dasvedania...

Roger




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