Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 28 Mar 2002 to 29 Mar 2002 (#2002-87)
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Topics of the day:

 1. Blackmoor Errata
 2. Black powder , Magic and Technology oh my!
 3. Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1 (9)
 4. An orc city for Mystara
 5. Faerie
 6. Online Mystara Material
 7. Easter present for the MML, a BIG 24 miles per hex MAP for your walls (3)

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:02:59 EST
From:    Alex Benson <Alex295@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Blackmoor Errata

<<Technology and Magic can be blended together but only if both people can
work on small advances in the field of magic and technology.>>

They can be blended. They already are in many ways. I just think that there
should be some sort of tech cap decided upon.

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:17:46 -0800
From:    Andrew Theisen <jsmill@WANS.NET>
Subject: Re: Black powder , Magic and Technology oh my!

At 11:53 PM 3/27/02 -0800, you wrote:
> Here's the deal, a Magocracy like Glantri may use Continual Light on a
pole to do the and place them on poles to add nightlights to the cities of
Glantri, but here's the problem, the DoD dispells just about every mortal
magic known to man.<

Talk about job security for the guys that cast the Continual Light spells.
I sense a conspiracy behind the Wrath of the Immortals war that goes even
deeper than Rad and Ixion...

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:20:13 -0800
From:    Andrew Theisen <jsmill@WANS.NET>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

At 10:08 AM 3/28/02 +0100, you wrote:
>
> BTW, gunpowder simply doesn't work on Mystara, magic-endowed smokepowder
> would be needed to power guns.

What makes you say this? Nothing I've ever seen gives any reason to suggest
that gunpowder doesn't work on Mystara. In fact, Bruce Heard even wrote an
article in which he provides rules for just that sort of thing to occur
(giving rules for cannons).

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:25:37 -0800
From:    Andrew Theisen <jsmill@WANS.NET>
Subject: Re: An orc city for Mystara

At 03:19 PM 3/28/02 -0800, you wrote:
> Has anybody used this module yet? And if so, where did you place it?
>
> JK Wolf
>
> http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/cities_skraag.htm
>
> By Wil Upchurch
> Home to over twenty-five thousand rampaging orcs, Skraag is a city of pure
brutality, a place of nightmare that even the bravest adventurer will fear
to tread. Built from the ruins of an ancient dwarven stronghold the orcs
themselves destroyed, the hordes of Skraag range for miles in every
direction, brining slaughter and misery to any community unfortunate enough
to be within range of their predations. <

Don't own it and haven't read it yet (though I do enjoy some of Mongoose's
stuff- the Quintessential Rogue is pretty good, and I like Seas of Blood).
If I were to suggest placement though, I'd say either Oenkmar (the city
beneath the Broken Lands) prior to it's being taken over by Shadowelves in
1013 AC (just change it from a dwarven stronghold to an ancient elven/azcan
city) or else perhaps the realm currently under construction in the
Orclands of Darokin, under the leadership of Tlatepetl (see recent Mystaran
Almanacs). Another alternative location might be to situate it in the ruins
of Jhyrrad in Rockhome, but declare that the orcs have been building it up
again secretly for many years.

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:04:36 +0000
From:    Agathokles <agathokles@LIBERO.IT>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

Andrew Theisen wrote:
>
> >BTW, gunpowder simply doesn't work on Mystara, magic-endowed smokepowder
> >would be needed to power guns.
>
> What makes you say this?

The fact that wheellocks don't function outside the Haze (see Savage
Coast Campaign Book).
-- 


               Giampaolo Agosta


agathokles@libero.it
agosta@elet.polimi.it
http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:26:58 -0600
From:    George Hrabovsky <ghrabovsky@TDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

Hey Andrew,

There is nothing in OD&D stuff that says that this is true. The Savage Coast
setting was originally discussed in The Voyages of the Princess Ark
(actually a module came out before that, but it had very little color to
it). Much of what had been in the Princess Ark stories was no longer the
same in the AD&D treatment of the area (the Red Curse being completely
changed). There was an Immortal-level module that introduced okay rules for
firearms in a normal game setting, with the caveat that crossing into the
Astral or Outer Planes with gunpowder would result in massive explosions.

These games are generally set in medieval technology settings, but they had
bombards, petards, and crude hand cannon in the 14th Century in Europe. The
firearm very quickly developed.

In my campaign firearms are available but they are both rare and expensive
(being three times the cost of a crossbow, and the ammunition is sold by the
ball and by the charge, and it better not be raining or even misting). And
don't get caught in a fireball while carrying this stuff (I can only dimly
imagine what would happen if a line of fusiliers gets hit by a fireball in
battle-can you say, sympathetic detonation?). Firearms cost the equivalent
of ten year's salary for the average person, they are dangerous (with
misfirings and explosions not uncommon), and they are slow to load and use.

Just my two cents worth,

   George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Agathokles" <agathokles@LIBERO.IT>
To: <MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC) v1


> Andrew Theisen wrote:
> >
> > >BTW, gunpowder simply doesn't work on Mystara, magic-endowed
smokepowder
> > >would be needed to power guns.
> >
> > What makes you say this?
>
> The fact that wheellocks don't function outside the Haze (see Savage
> Coast Campaign Book).
> -- 
>
>
>                 Giampaolo Agosta
>
>
> agathokles@libero.it
> agosta@elet.polimi.it
> http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles
>
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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:06:04 EST
From:    Alex Benson <Alex295@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

<<What makes you say this? Nothing I've ever seen gives any reason to suggest
that gunpowder doesn't work on Mystara. In fact, Bruce Heard even wrote an
article in which he provides rules for just that sort of thing to occur
(giving rules for cannons).>>

Kind of changing things somewhat. Didn't Bruce originally have SC using
minicrossbows instead of the smokepowder wheel locks? I have the SC sets but
truthfully have yet to do more than read through them a bit.

And while I am thinking about it, is Bruce still hanging around? I haven't
been over to the MMB in some time so I am really out of the loop as far as
that forum is concerned.

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:49:06 -0600
From:    George Hrabovsky <ghrabovsky@TDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

You are referring to the Cimarron Six-Shooter. This is a six tube
spring-loaded dart launcher. It is a really cool weapon! A PC in my campaign
some time ago was a mathematician-turned six-shooter-fighter. It worked very
well.

   George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Benson" <Alex295@AOL.COM>
To: <MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC) v1


> <<What makes you say this? Nothing I've ever seen gives any reason to
suggest
> that gunpowder doesn't work on Mystara. In fact, Bruce Heard even wrote an
> article in which he provides rules for just that sort of thing to occur
> (giving rules for cannons).>>
>
> Kind of changing things somewhat. Didn't Bruce originally have SC using
> minicrossbows instead of the smokepowder wheel locks? I have the SC sets
but
> truthfully have yet to do more than read through them a bit.
>
> And while I am thinking about it, is Bruce still hanging around? I haven't
> been over to the MMB in some time so I am really out of the loop as far as
> that forum is concerned.
>
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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:45:16 +0000
From:    Agathokles <agathokles@LIBERO.IT>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

Alex Benson wrote:
>
> And while I am thinking about it, is Bruce still hanging around? I haven't
> been over to the MMB in some time so I am really out of the loop as far as
> that forum is concerned.

He made a test post some times ago, after a very long hiatus.
-- 


               Giampaolo Agosta


agathokles@libero.it
agosta@elet.polimi.it
http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles

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Date:    Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:10:28 +0100
From:    Jacob Skytte <scythe@WANADOO.DK>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

George Hrabovsky <ghrabovsky@TDS.NET> wrote:


> There was an Immortal-level module that introduced okay rules for
> firearms in a normal game setting, with the caveat that crossing into =
the
> Astral or Outer Planes with gunpowder would result in massive =
explosions.

Well, didn't that part of the module (IM1) take place in a distant Outer =
Plane identical to modern Earth? So the restriction was there to prevent =
the firearms from getting to the regular campaign world, IIRC.

Jacob Skytte
scythe@wanadoo.dk

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:49:04 -0600
From:    George Hrabovsky <ghrabovsky@TDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

Indeed, but the rules were certainly not stated as only being for that
plane, they were in a special section on firearms that addressed the problem
in general.

My opinion is that you can introduce all the tech you want to, it will not
replace magic; it takes a lot more time to build a computer than it does to
cast a spell.

   George

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From: "Jacob Skytte" <scythe@WANADOO.DK>
To: <MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC) v1


George Hrabovsky <ghrabovsky@TDS.NET> wrote:


> There was an Immortal-level module that introduced okay rules for
> firearms in a normal game setting, with the caveat that crossing into the
> Astral or Outer Planes with gunpowder would result in massive explosions.

Well, didn't that part of the module (IM1) take place in a distant Outer
Plane identical to modern Earth? So the restriction was there to prevent the
firearms from getting to the regular campaign world, IIRC.

Jacob Skytte
scythe@wanadoo.dk

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:30:46 -0800
From:    macnerd <macnerd@REALMSPACE.COM>
Subject: Faerie

Is there any material for 3E Mystara faerie?  I was thinking of toying with
Tales of the Wee Folk.

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Date:    Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:31:49 -0800
From:    macnerd <macnerd@REALMSPACE.COM>
Subject: Online Mystara Material

Is there anywhere to get the original gazetteers, accessories, etc. in an
electronic format?

- Joaquin

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Date:    Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:48:59 -0500
From:    Dan Eustace <deustace@ATTBI.COM>
Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC)  v1

> You are referring to the Cimarron Six-Shooter. This is a six tube
> spring-loaded dart launcher. It is a really cool weapon! A PC in my
campaign
> some time ago was a mathematician-turned six-shooter-fighter. It worked
very
> well.

Yes, I used in this IMC when the SC was 1st introduced in Dragon.  Then they
changed it when they did the AD&D thing.  So I could either have smokepowder
discovered in the near future, or just eliminate it and stick with the hand
crossbows.  Despite the lack of guns, the adventure still had a very strong
western feel to it, and I'm sure the players remember fighting Black Bart
and his gang (including, "the Kid" a quick draw specialist), a kangaroo
court trial, and a showdown at a public hanging.  A halfling PC was even
made sheriff of Smokestone City, but he turned in his badge when the PCs
quest had to continue on.

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Date:    Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:18:54 +0100
From:    thibault sarlat <thibault.sarlat@WANADOO.FR>
Subject: Easter present for the MML, a BIG 24 miles per hex MAP for your walls

I took upon myself to finish up the 24 miles per hex map of Davania. (so it
is in the Davania section of course!!)

I also make available for a week or two, my working map of the planet in 24
miles per hex.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mystara/maps/mystara/mystara_24m01.png

If you guys ask why there are only ping format files , it's because of my
ISP space manager.
I'll try to put gif versions, but the ping is smaller and is easily
convertible to gif, so...)

Enjoy!!

Thibault Sarlat.
ICQ 16622177.
homepage  http://www.mystara.fr.st
Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr
clenarius@hotmail.com

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Date:    Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:29:40 -0600
From:    Eric Anondson <xen@VISI.COM>
Subject: Re: Easter present for the MML,
        a BIG 24 miles per hex MAP for your walls

> I also make available for a week or two, my working map of the planet in
> 24 miles per hex.
>
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mystara/maps/mystara/mystara_24m01.png


It's gorgeous!

So when will you have the hollow world and the moons done?


*runs-and-hides*


Eric Anondson

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Date:    Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:51:56 +0100
From:    thibault sarlat <thibault.sarlat@WANADOO.FR>
Subject: Easter present for the MML, a BIG 24 miles per hex MAP for your walls

Run Eric, run fast...
as for the hollow world, it should be done before the moons because i have
more material to work from... but anyway, i guess I may say that the Hollow
world would be done in a year or two...(in real Time).
it depends on the free time i can spend.

so long , i 'm glad the map pleased you...


Thibault Sarlat.
ICQ 16622177.
homepage  http://www.mystara.fr.st
Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr
clenarius@hotmail.com

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