Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Mar 2002 to 1 Apr 2002 (#2002-89) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 02/04/2002, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 19 messages totalling 923 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Online Mystara Material (6) 2. Hexagrams (4) 3. Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC) v1 4. What Immortals are good for TOEE? (4) 5. Reptile God/Immortal? (3) 6. Hexagrams or thib's two cents... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:59:39 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: Re: Online Mystara Material Their selling Gazetteers!?!? Cool!!!!! I waited sooooo looooong. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Agathokles > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:12 AM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Online Mystara Material > > > Havard Faanes wrote: > > > > > > The Savage Coast supplements and the Shadow Elves > > Gazetteer are available from dnd.starflung.com IIRC > > As is B3 (Silver Princess). A number of other modules and > gazetteers are > available (to USA residents) from WotC as ESD (.pdf downloads) for a > price. > -- > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > agathokles@libero.it > agosta@elet.polimi.it > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:06:40 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: Hexagrams Let's make hexagrams that can be used to create custom maps. Perhaps we can scan them in, and use Illustrator to trace them, and thus create usable Illustrator objects can can be copy and pasted over and over to create superb maps. We could then share these resources amongst ourselves, and everyone (who owns Illustrator) can create big cool maps. :-) - Joaquin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:28:23 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: Re: Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC) v1 Well. The Savage Coast did have a western feel to it. At one point they did have hand crossbows, but they found another use of the the red powder. :-> IMC, I had a vampire hunter that tracked mortals that were mentally insane, and upon their near death, attempted to absorb them into a secret vampire cult. This was during a modified Cult of the Reptile God, set in the swampy region outside of Kelvin, in Karameikos. Anyways, the Vampire had a six shooter with this red powder. The players managed to get a hold of at least the balls, which were made out of red steel. This kept the PCs guessing, but alas they wouldn't know until a future adventure. It would be interesting to have a six-shooter portion of Mystara updated to fit d20 rules. There is a new upcoming d20 six-shoot game on the horizon, and then there's the cool Deadlands d20, which is the wierd west as they call it. That campaign could provide some useful ideas. I especially like the mad-scientist class. This might be befitting of a gnome character. :-) Perhaps bonuses. :-) There's also the computer game Arcanum, which is a steam-magic type campaign. Characters can evolve technologically or magically. This can provide some useful insites, and the game itself is very similar to d20 mechanics. Though, as a warning... The sea-faring nations of Mystara do trade. So any technology in one area is sure to move quickly to other areas. - Joaquin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Dan Eustace > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:49 PM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara GURPS Tech Level (1,000 AC) v1 > > > > You are referring to the Cimarron Six-Shooter. This is a six tube > > spring-loaded dart launcher. It is a really cool weapon! A PC in my > campaign > > some time ago was a mathematician-turned > six-shooter-fighter. It worked > very > > well. > > Yes, I used in this IMC when the SC was 1st introduced in > Dragon. Then they > changed it when they did the AD&D thing. So I could either > have smokepowder > discovered in the near future, or just eliminate it and stick > with the hand > crossbows. Despite the lack of guns, the adventure still had > a very strong > western feel to it, and I'm sure the players remember > fighting Black Bart > and his gang (including, "the Kid" a quick draw specialist), > a kangaroo > court trial, and a showdown at a public hanging. A halfling > PC was even > made sheriff of Smokestone City, but he turned in his badge > when the PCs > quest had to continue on. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:32:36 +0000 From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Online Mystara Material macnerd wrote: > > Their selling Gazetteers!?!? Cool!!!!! > I waited sooooo looooong. Yes, they are, though at the present time there are only a couple Gazetteers available. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:21:02 -0500 From: Gilles Leblanc Subject: Re: Hexagrams > Let's make hexagrams that can be used to create custom maps. Perhaps we can > scan them in, and use Illustrator to trace them, and thus create usable > Illustrator objects can can be copy and pasted over and over to create > superb maps. > > We could then share these resources amongst ourselves, and everyone (who > owns Illustrator) can create big cool maps. :-) > > - Joaquin Maybe you should start such a project. It could be great, tough I have no knowledge of Illustrator so I don't know how easy it would be to create maps with this. Put if you just create hexagrams, you also have to be able to trace rivers and coastline freehand without being limited to existing hexagrams. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:05:14 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: Re: Hexagrams I am not all that familar with Illustrator either. Though I do remember this guy who posted some maps, that were just the most beautiful maps I have ever seen for Mystara, even better that published material. He however had a problem where the original file was damaged. I think Illustrator, like most vector base programs, support layering. This way you can have a grid on one layer, and draw the rivers, beach/lake shores, etc. over the hexagons. The idea is to create a vector hex representing different regions: desert, forested hills. These can be resized for big or small hexes. What's also great is that Illustrator can export SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics), so that those with the SVG plug-in or Netscape 6 can view the map at any resolution. The file would simple be a map key, that users could copy at paste. I want to create map construction kit. Though I have to watch out for the file size, and Illustrator files tend to get big. The final result couldn't be distributed as it'll be too big, but a rendering in JPEG or GIF could be distributed. People with powerful computers could probaly compose mega maps as well. Though, much memory and hard drive space is needed. The result will be the most beautiful maps you have ever gazed upon, created by users, that might not have ever touched Illustrator. This might take some work though. In the mean time, I could make PhotoShop tiles, which will be bitmapped graphics instead of real vector based. PhotoShop also supports layering as well. - Joaquin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Gilles Leblanc > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:21 PM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Hexagrams > > > > Let's make hexagrams that can be used to create custom > maps. Perhaps we > can > > scan them in, and use Illustrator to trace them, and thus > create usable > > Illustrator objects can can be copy and pasted over and > over to create > > superb maps. > > > > We could then share these resources amongst ourselves, and > everyone (who > > owns Illustrator) can create big cool maps. :-) > > > > - Joaquin > > Maybe you should start such a project. It could be great, > tough I have no > knowledge of Illustrator so I don't know how easy it would be > to create maps > with this. Put if you just create hexagrams, you also have to > be able to > trace rivers and coastline freehand without being limited to existing > hexagrams. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:06:42 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: Re: Online Mystara Material Oh. I thought they were PDF Gazetteers. Not the paper stuff. :-( In general, if the quality is really good, I perfer PDF books. I mean, have you ever had to move to a new place on the third floor. Gaming books get really heavy. ;-( - Joaquin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Agathokles > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:33 AM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Online Mystara Material > > > macnerd wrote: > > > > Their selling Gazetteers!?!? Cool!!!!! > > I waited sooooo looooong. > > Yes, they are, though at the present time there are only a couple > Gazetteers available. > -- > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > agathokles@libero.it > agosta@elet.polimi.it > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:39:51 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: What Immortals are good for TOEE? There's this extremely popular module called Temple of Elemental Evil. I would like to use it for Mystara. Originally, I merged this with other modules B10 and Against the Cult of the Reptile God. I made an unholy alliance between the temple leaders, and their hired hand, the Iron Ring, along with alliances with Baron Ludwig von Hendriks, and humanoid tribes, like the Viper Clan. I placed Set, as this was an Egyptian god, which naturally fits with the whole historical mystery of Nithians and Traldaran colony. Also, because Set is thought of as a serpent god at times, the whole "Viper" clan fit in well with B10, as well as occurrences with TOEE, and the Against the Cult of the Reptile God. I also threw in a swampy adventure with that vampire lizard king module, and placed that in southern Darokin in Malpheggi swamp. There was the Viper clan of Athruaghin clan, which created a good tie in as well. I linked this with a module that took place in Vestland, and also with the whole Desert Nomad thing. I tied in Tiamat, as the corupter of Mother Nature, and master of the various Elemental Cults of TOEE (befitting if you consider how the heads can represent the elements). This tied in Atruaghin clans, fey, druids, werewolves and other nature-oriented creatures that would oppose Tiamat, and her ally Set. The result was a lot of work, but may people did not like this as it was way too non-canon, even when sometimes the canon material just made absolutely no sense or was inconsistent. Now, what I was wondering is that I would like to use the material in Mystara, but find more favorable gods that others could accept. Perhaps I can use Thanatos, but then would be run a lawful organization bent on world domination through secret manipulations. I think he might be just bent of ultimate destruction. Perhaps Loki? With either, I cannot make that serpent tie-in, or hint at the true nature with the Viper clan. What about the elemental forces? What would be a good god to represent this? Any thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:57:23 -0800 From: macnerd Subject: Reptile God/Immortal? Is there a god (aka Immortal) that can be or double as a reptile god? I want to tie Against the Cult of the Reptile God an possible epic campaign. It's so cool. This picture alone has provided me enough inspiration: http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/images/troglodytes_cover.jpg This supplement is perfect for that module: http://www.flash.net/~brenfrow/ad/n1.htm I was using this in my campaign (OUTDATED LINK ): http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/ShadowTriad/index.html - Joaquin Menchaca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:06:43 -0500 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Hexagrams There are several mapping programs out there, but I don't think any of them are perfect. I have GRID, AutoRealm, and HexMapper. GRID is pretty easy to use, but there are some things about it they I don't care for. AutoRealm has a lot of options and is the most powerful program that I've seen, but you need to invest some time learning how to use it, unless you're a graphic designer. It doesn't have an easy way to quickly fill hexes with terrain, though, which is a drawback. Personally, I like HexMapper, but it has some flaws, too (no undo, and it makes maps using .bmp with a low resolution, so it looks good on screen , but less so, if try to make a bigger map fit on 1 page). It sounds like your talking about making a whole new mapping program, or something of the sort. If you're up for the task then more power to you, but there are tools out there already. Here's the link to HexMapper, along with some other roleplaying aids. http://www.paonline.com/zaikoski/ak/tools.htm Once I figure out how to get a decent resolution in a printable form, I'll have a new AC 1000 Known World Map available (should be by the end of the week). ----- Original Message ----- From: "macnerd" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Hexagrams > I am not all that familar with Illustrator either. Though I do remember > this guy who posted some maps, that were just the most beautiful maps I have > ever seen for Mystara, even better that published material. He however had > a problem where the original file was damaged. > > I think Illustrator, like most vector base programs, support layering. This > way you can have a grid on one layer, and draw the rivers, beach/lake > shores, etc. over the hexagons. > > The idea is to create a vector hex representing different regions: desert, > forested hills. These can be resized for big or small hexes. What's also > great is that Illustrator can export SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics), so that > those with the SVG plug-in or Netscape 6 can view the map at any resolution. > The file would simple be a map key, that users could copy at paste. I want > to create map construction kit. Though I have to watch out for the file > size, and Illustrator files tend to get big. The final result couldn't be > distributed as it'll be too big, but a rendering in JPEG or GIF could be > distributed. People with powerful computers could probaly compose mega maps > as well. Though, much memory and hard drive space is needed. > > The result will be the most beautiful maps you have ever gazed upon, created > by users, that might not have ever touched Illustrator. > > This might take some work though. In the mean time, I could make PhotoShop > tiles, which will be bitmapped graphics instead of real vector based. > PhotoShop also supports layering as well. > > - Joaquin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > > Behalf Of Gilles Leblanc > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:21 PM > > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Hexagrams > > > > > > > Let's make hexagrams that can be used to create custom > > maps. Perhaps we > > can > > > scan them in, and use Illustrator to trace them, and thus > > create usable > > > Illustrator objects can can be copy and pasted over and > > over to create > > > superb maps. > > > > > > We could then share these resources amongst ourselves, and > > everyone (who > > > owns Illustrator) can create big cool maps. :-) > > > > > > - Joaquin > > > > Maybe you should start such a project. It could be great, > > tough I have no > > knowledge of Illustrator so I don't know how easy it would be > > to create maps > > with this. Put if you just create hexagrams, you also have to > > be able to > > trace rivers and coastline freehand without being limited to existing > > hexagrams. > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:14:48 -0500 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: What Immortals are good for TOEE? > I placed Set, as this was an Egyptian god, which naturally fits with the > whole historical mystery of Nithians and Traldaran colony. Also, because > Set is thought of as a serpent god at times, the whole "Viper" clan fit in > well with B10, as well as occurrences with TOEE, and the Against the Cult of > the Reptile God. I also threw in a swampy adventure with that vampire > lizard king module, and placed that in southern Darokin in Malpheggi swamp. > There was the Viper clan of Athruaghin clan, which created a good tie in as > well. I linked this with a module that took place in Vestland, and also > with the whole Desert Nomad thing. This sounds pretty good, but I'm not too familiar with the specifics of ToEE. An Immortal like Set could definitely fit in the Nithian pantheon, whether he was a new immortal or just another name for one of the more common ones. BTW, the Viper Clan actually got changed to the Tiger Clan in the final version of the Atr. Clans. Don't let that discourage you, though, since it could easily be changed back to Viper, or else you could create 2 seperate clans. > I tied in Tiamat, as the corupter of Mother Nature, and master of the > various Elemental Cults of TOEE (befitting if you consider how the heads can > represent the elements). This tied in Atruaghin clans, fey, druids, > werewolves and other nature-oriented creatures that would oppose Tiamat, and > her ally Set. If nature was being corrupted this could draw in nature-loving immortals like Terra, Ordana or Zirchev. Many entropics could be involved in the corruption of nature. Atzanteoltl, was the corruptor of the Tiger Clan, and could take the form of a serpent, since one of his forms (usually in the HW) is a feathered serpent, and corrupting various cultures is one of his specialities. Demogorgon could be another evil lizard patron. Making up a new Immortal could work too, as the ones defined in canon are not the only ones in existance. In fact, there are definitely some areas that were left out and could use filling in. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:26:07 -0800 From: Jordi Castille Subject: Re: Reptile God/Immortal? There's Ka the Preserver, who is a large Allosaurus, (good, Nuetral) and there is a chance that you might want to put in Atzanteotl the Feathered Serpent(evil) if you want a darker god. macnerd wrote: Is there a god (aka Immortal) that can be or double as a reptile god? I want to tie Against the Cult of the Reptile God an possible epic campaign. It's so cool. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:25:05 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Online Mystara Material macnerd wrote: > Oh. I thought they were PDF Gazetteers. Not the paper stuff. :-( Yes, they are PDF. The limited number comment was referred to the fact that they have only the Karameikos and Ierendi Gazetteers right now. Have a look yourself here: http://shop.wizards.com/category.asp?CategoryID=153&StartRow=11&AttributeID=83 > In general, if the quality is really good, I perfer PDF books. I mean, have > you ever had to move to a new place on the third floor. Gaming books get > really heavy. ;-( I'd rather have the books, myself. Creating pdf from books costs nothing, printing the pdf does. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:31:12 -0800 From: Jordi Castille Subject: Re: What Immortals are good for TOEE? macnerd wrote: There's this extremely popular module called Temple of Elemental Evil. I would like to use it for Mystara. Originally, I merged this with other modules B10 and Against the Cult of the Reptile God. I made an unholy alliance between the temple leaders, and their hired hand, the Iron Ring, along with alliances with Baron Ludwig von Hendriks, and humanoid tribes, like the Viper Clan. I placed Set, as this was an Egyptian god, which naturally fits with the whole historical mystery of Nithians and Traldaran colony. Also, because Set is thought of as a serpent god at times, the whole "Viper" clan fit in well with B10, as well as occurrences with TOEE, and the Against the Cult of the Reptile God. I also threw in a swampy adventure with that vampire lizard king module, and placed that in southern Darokin in Malpheggi swamp. There was the Viper clan of Athruaghin clan, which created a good tie in as well. I linked this with a module that took place in Vestland, and also with the whole Desert Nomad thing. I tied in Tiamat, as the corupter of Mother Nature, and master of the various Elemental Cults of TOEE (befitting if you consider how the heads can represent the elements). This tied in Atruaghin clans, fey, druids, werewolves and other nature-oriented creatures that would oppose Tiamat, and her ally Set. The result was a lot of work, but may people did not like this as it was way too non-canon, even when sometimes the canon material just made absolutely no sense or was inconsistent. Now, what I was wondering is that I would like to use the material in Mystara, but find more favorable gods that others could accept. Perhaps I can use Thanatos, but then would be run a lawful organization bent on world domination through secret manipulations. I think he might be just bent of ultimate destruction. Perhaps Loki? With either, I cannot make that serpent tie-in, or hint at the true nature with the Viper clan. What about the elemental forces? What would be a good god to represent this? Any thoughts? ******************************************************************** I would chose Ixion(fire) Protius(Water) and Terra (Earth) as for Air that would be a mystery, maybe Diamond, immortal/god of Lawful Dragons? Jordi, Knight of Darokin --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:53:29 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: Hexagrams or thib's two cents... as you may know , i use Grid for my maps. i have tested other programs, but i ve always returned to my first love.. there is a good tool in paint programs such as paint shop pro, it's the possibility to change the palette of colors. I think that the first step is to make a raw map with grid, then export the bmp file. then work on it on paintshop pro to change the palette to get as close as possible to the TSR original maps... this way there is no need to use an expensive Illustrator or Photoshop...and we can obtain beautiful TSR like maps not as "heavy" as the ones got from Illustrator. By the way, the two guys who made the most beautiful maps in term of grafics (IMHO) are or where Ironwolf and Christian Constantin. Now recently a fellow MML member from Brazil (Ricardo Matheus) took upon himself to draw the Known World and the results are just great. Tim Roberts also remade the same region with breathtaking results. Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at:thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr clenarius@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:52:24 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Reptile God/Immortal? macnerd wrote: > Is there a god (aka Immortal) that can be or double as a reptile god? I > want to tie Against the Cult of the Reptile God > an possible epic campaign. It's so cool. Demogorgon is the patroness of evil reptilians. Ka is the closest good-aligned counterpart. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:12:59 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: What Immortals are good for TOEE? macnerd wrote: > > The result was a lot of work, but may people did not like this as it was way > too non-canon, even when sometimes the canon material just made absolutely > no sense or was inconsistent. Now, what I was wondering is that I would > like to use the material in Mystara, but find more favorable gods that > others could accept. The real problem, IMO, is that with a complex, continent-spanning plot, it is not likely that the majority/totality of the known Immortals would not be involved in it. Even WotI, which involved a lot of the Immortals, had some problems here, as there were several powerful Immortals who were not likely to simply ignore a plot that big, and yet did nothing in the WotI timeline. Having Set or Tiamat involved is not a problem--you could consider them marauding powers from another dimension, for example. It becomes a problem if you have a large group of non-native powers hatching a massive plot on Mystara, and the native Immortals seemingly uninvolved. > Perhaps I can use Thanatos, but then would be run a lawful organization bent > on world domination through secret manipulations. I think he might be just > bent of ultimate destruction. Perhaps Loki? With either, I cannot make > that serpent tie-in, or hint at the true nature with the Viper clan. Atzanteotl could be a good choice for the serpent thing. He is also more fitting to the lawful-evil manipulator character. > What about the elemental forces? What would be a good god to represent > this? You mean the evil elemental god from ToEE? What about considering the whole temple as an Outer Beings cult, bent on gathering the power needed to recall one or more of the OBs? You could have the other Immortal involved to be allied with them, if you are willing to sacrifice him--the other Immortals would destroy the traitor as soon as the plot is discovered. Otherwise, he might be only pretending to be their allies, and purposefully lead the PCs to destroy a few of his bases, so that he can have the ToEE destroyed without compromising his cover. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:48:07 -0600 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: Online Mystara Material True. I have only been able to find five of them...Karameikos,Alfhiem,Irendi,Rockhome,and The Five Shires. Happy Hunting!!!!!!!!! Multizar the Mage > From: Agathokles > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Online Mystara Material > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:32:36 +0000 > > macnerd wrote: > > > > Their selling Gazetteers!?!? Cool!!!!! > > I waited sooooo looooong. > > Yes, they are, though at the present time there are only a couple > Gazetteers available. > -- > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > agathokles@libero.it > agosta@elet.polimi.it > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:53:25 -0600 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: Online Mystara Material I know how you feel. I have moved three times in the last year and I have most of the DnD,Adnd,Adnd 2nd, and 90% of all game world materials. Fifteen to Twenty boxes filled with books is a pain in the rear to move. And that does not even count my paperbacks and hardback novels!!!!!!!!!!! :o Multizar the Mage Who is never gonna move again > From: macnerd > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Online Mystara Material > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:06:42 -0800 > > Oh. I thought they were PDF Gazetteers. Not the paper stuff. :-( > > In general, if the quality is really good, I perfer PDF books. I mean, > have > you ever had to move to a new place on the third floor. Gaming books get > really heavy. ;-( > > - Joaquin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > > Behalf Of Agathokles > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:33 AM > > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Online Mystara Material > > > > > > macnerd wrote: > > > > > > Their selling Gazetteers!?!? Cool!!!!! > > > I waited sooooo looooong. > > > > Yes, they are, though at the present time there are only a couple > > Gazetteers available. > > -- > > > > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > > > > agathokles@libero.it > > agosta@elet.polimi.it > > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Mar 2002 to 1 Apr 2002 (#2002-89) **************************************************************