Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 May 2003 to 28 May 2003 (#2003-139) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 29/05/2003, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 18 messages totalling 756 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Alignements & Mystara 2. So what are you? [was: Alignements...] (10) 3. Location of Duke/King Stefan's Hunting Lodge? 4. [Mystara]: Unknown supplements 5. So what are your stats? [was: So what are you?] (4) 6. Who are you?/What are your stats? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:01:40 +0200 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Alignements & Mystara >> From : Ville V Lähde Subject : Re: Alignements & Mystara Date : Tue, 27 May 2003 10:57:44 +0300 I have never used any alignments in my Mystaran campaign (or I dropped them very early on), ____________________________________ Yes more or less I did the same with alignments IMC, but I might want to reintroduce them in some form as long as I: 1. understand them 2. find them useful I see that this discussion is moving towards a mostly philosophical approach. I find this lovely, but at the same time I still would like to see concrete suggestions (applications) of every person's theory to *real* people, in addition to such theorical considerations. I might be wrong, but I believe that this would contribute to make things both more clear and more useful (in terms of RPG). Furthermore, most of the discussion seems to be related to the MORAL axis which on one side is probably more difficult to settle/agree (as many have noted), but on the other hand is easier to conceive. As long as the other axis (call it the Legal, or else the Social one) is concerned, instead, not much have we advanced in defining its Neutral position, as opposed to both Lawful and Chaotic ones. I proposed two theories, but I didn't get much response, either positive or negative upon them. Thanks for your attention. Federico. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:07:56 +1200 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > I see that this discussion is moving towards a mostly philosophical > approach. I find this lovely, but at the same time I still would like to > see concrete suggestions (applications) of every person's theory to *real* > people, in addition to such theorical considerations. Well to try to make things more real to everyone I offer up these tests to find out what D&D character you are and what alignment you may have. There are two slightly different ones: 1: http://twinrose.net/dandchar.php 2: http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/ I AM A: Neutral Good Elf Bard Alignment: Neutral Good characters believe in the power of good above all else. They will work to make the world a better place, and will do whatever is necessary to bring that about, whether it goes for or against whatever is considered 'normal'. Race: Elves are the eldest of all races, although they are generally a bit smaller than humans. They are generally well-cultured, artistic, easy-going, and because of their long lives, unconcerned with day-to-day activities that other races frequently concern themselves with. Elves are, effectively, immortal, although they can be killed. After a thousand years or so, they simply pass on to the next plane of existance. Primary Class: Bards are the entertainers. They sing, dance, and play instruments to make other people happy, and, frequently, make money. They also tend to dabble in magic a bit. Fits reasonably well, although I know it's not 100% accurate. Post yours and tell us if it fits. it's a good way to test alignments in the real world I think. Chris. ---------------------- The Numbers btw: Law and Chaos: Law ----- XXXXX (5) Neutral - XXXXXXXX (8) Chaos --- XXXXXXX (7) Good and Evil: Good ---- XXXXXXXXX (9) Neutral - XX (2) Evil ---- (-1) Race: Human ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15) Half-Elf - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15) Elf ------ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16) Gnome ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10) Halfling - (-3) Dwarf ---- XX (2) Half-Orc - (-4) Class: Fighter -- XXXXXXX (7) Barbarian -XXXXX (5) Ranger --- XXXXXXXX (8) Monk ----- XXXXX (5) Paladin -- XX (2) Cleric --- XX (2) Mage ----- XXXX (4) Druid ---- XXXXX (5) Thief ---- XX (2) Bard ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (17) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:28:33 +0200 From: Felix Holtschoppen Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Furneaux" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > 1: > http://twinrose.net/dandchar.php I ended up with being a chaotic good human bard, which I find to be acceptable. > 2: > http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/ Now this is strange: Here I ended up with being a chaotic evil cleric of Besheba, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. I never once chose any option that was involving violence and/or treachery. Okay, I like wolves and books, hate to fight (especially a BIG dragon), and find comfort and pleasure to be rather desirable. But does that make me evil? "Call the guards and let them handle it" is evil and chaotic? Hmphh. :-) I'll spare you the numbers, they weren't that meaningful. Guess I'm a villain then :-) Bye, Felix ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:50:01 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > > From: Chris Furneaux > 1: > http://twinrose.net/dandchar.php In college a group of us decided to play ourselves, wish we had this test, everyone thought I should have been the Lawful Evil Priest, when I thought I should have been a Lawful Good Paladin. I guess this program knows my best mix of personality... Chaotic Neutral Halfling Ranger Alignment: Chaotic Neutral characters are unstable, and frequently insane. They believe in disorder first and foremost, and will thus strive for that disorder in everything they do. This means that they will do whatever seems 'fun' or 'novel' at any given time. Race: Halflings are short and fat, like minuature people. (Think 'Hobbits') They enjoy the easy life, but aren't averse to the idea of an adventure from time to time. They get along with all races, and are known for their senses of humor. Halflings also tend to be light of foot, and can move quietly when necessary. <>That is me to the "t", short, fat, and light on foot, especially since they did not say light on feet, since I only have one foot :) Primary Class: Rangers are the defenders of nature and the elements. They are in tune with the Earth, and work to keep it safe and healthy. <>Again, thus explaining why at my age do I still camp with a bunch of Boy Scouts every weekend, at least I bring my family with me. Detailed Results: Alignment: Law and Chaos: Law ----- X (1) Neutral - XXXXX (5) Chaos --- XXXXXX (6) <>I believe in rules and laws, but I do speed now and then on the road. Good and Evil: Good ---- XX (2) Neutral - XX (2) Evil ---- (-1) <>Aha! I am not EVIL! Race: Human ---- X (1) Half-Elf - XXXXXXXX (8) Elf ------ XXXXXXX (7) Gnome ---- XXXXXXXX (8) Halfling - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (14) Dwarf ---- (-2) Half-Orc - (-1) <>Gnome, how the heck did that get in there? Class: Fighter -- XXXXXX (6) Barbarian - (-1) Ranger --- XXXXXXXXXX (10) Monk ----- XXXXXX (6) Paladin -- XX (2) Cleric --- XXXX (4) Mage ----- (0) Druid ---- XXXXX (5) Thief ---- XXXXX (5) Bard ----- XXXXX (5) <>Monk! Who made this thing? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:20:19 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > > From: Chris Furneaux > 2: > http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/ > Here is the result of the second one, a Gnome! Somebody must be kidding... Neutral Good Gnome Ranger Bard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:47:05 -0700 From: Larry Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > 1: > http://twinrose.net/dandchar.php >> From #1: You Are A: Neutral Good Half-Elf Ranger Alignment: Neutral Good characters believe in the power of good above all else. They will work to make the world a better place, and will do whatever is necessary to bring that about, whether it goes for or against whatever is considered 'normal'. Race: Half-Elves are a cross between a human and an elf. They are smaller, like their elven ancestors, but have a much shorter lifespan. They are sometimes looked down upon as half-breeds, but this is rare. They have both the curious drive of humans and the patience of elves. Primary Class: Rangers are the defenders of nature and the elements. They are in tune with the Earth, and work to keep it safe and healthy. > 2: > http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/ >> From #2: Lawful Good Half-Elf Fighter Bard Follower Of Tyr Alignment: Lawful Good characters are the epitome of all that is just and good. They believe in order and governments that work for the benefit of all, and generally do not mind doing direct work to further their beliefs. Race: Half-Elves are a cross between a human and an elf. They are smaller, like their elven ancestors, but have a much shorter lifespan. They are sometimes looked down upon as half-breeds, but this is rare. They have both the curious drive of humans and the patience of elves. Primary Class: Fighters are the warriors. They use weapons to accomplish their goals. This isn't to say that they aren't intelligent, but that they do, in fact, believe that violence is frequently the answer. Secondary Class: Bards are the entertainers. They sing, dance, and play instruments to make other people happy, and, frequently, make money. They also tend to dabble in magic a bit. Deity: Tyr is the Lawful Good god of justice. He is also known as Tyr Grimjaws, Wounded Tyr, the Maimed God, and Blind Tyr. He appears as a warrior, missing his hand. Followers of Tyr are concerned first and foremost with justice - discovering the truth and punishing the guilty for their crimes. They wear blue and purple robes with a white sash, a white gauntlet on the left hand, and a black gauntlet on the right, to symbolize Tyr's lost hand. Their preferred weapon is the warhammer. Tyr's symbol is a set of scales resting on a warhammer. ===== "Happy Hunting!" My web site: http://www.geocities.com/boonedale/ My Robotech game on Yahoo! groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RobotechGame/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:14:27 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] By editing the results to percentages and averaging them together, this is what I get... Neutral Good/Borderline/True Neutral Half Elf Ranger/Bard Detailed Results: Alignment: Law and Chaos: Law 25% Neutral 40% Chaos 35% Good and Evil: Good 50% Neutral 50% Evil 0% Race: Human 3% HalfElf 26% Elf 25% Gnome 23% Halfling 20% Dwarf 0% HalfOrc 3% Class: Fighter 8% Barbarian 0% Ranger 33% Monk 7% Paladin 3% Cleric 5% Mage 0% Druid 15% Thief 9% Bard 20% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:48:16 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > > From: Chris Cherrington > By editing the results to percentages and averaging them together, this is what I get... > Neutral Good/Borderline/True Neutral Half Elf Ranger/Bard > I don't know if I would rather be an insane halfling, a gnome, or a Harper. What immortals did I @@@@off? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:45:44 -0700 From: Daniel Gioffre Subject: Re: Location of Duke/King Stefan's Hunting Lodge? The Duke's Hunting Lodge is located west of Sulescu. See GAZ 1 pg 64. -Dan --- "David S. Leland" wrote: > Anyone know if there's an established location for > the Duke/King's hunting > lodge, described in X12 Skarda's Mirror? If there > is no canon location, > does anyone have suggestions for placement? > > Thanks, > Magus Coeruleus > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:47:29 -0700 From: Daniel Gioffre Subject: Re: [Mystara]: Unknown supplements > AC1013 - #4 in the D&D(r) Almanac Collection Well, this isn't vaporware, right? Isn't it Joshuan's Almanac? -Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:20:17 +1200 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] Quoting Chris Cherrington : > I guess this program knows my best mix of personality... > Chaotic Neutral Halfling Ranger Well Geoff wanted an example of chaotic neutral :D but the big question is do you fall under the insane catagory? :P > <>Gnome, how the heck did that get in there? I think it has something to do with how you react to pranks. > <>Monk! Who made this thing? A friend of mine was most determend to be a monk. I think it's the fighting monk thing, beat them with your bare hands for the forces of good? > Here is the result of the second one, a Gnome! Somebody must be kidding... isn't that the point of a gnome? to kid? > Neutral Good Gnome Ranger Bard Well for alignments when you look at the numbers they were so close to NG in 1st one too. > I don't know if I would rather be an insane halfling, a gnome, or a Harper. > What immortals did I @@@@off? would that be another point for chaotic neutral... unable to make up your mind :D I included both tests because they do give slightly different results. I think ones based on the other tho. The thing I found is that we tend to convince ourselves that if we had character sheets it would have a different alignment from the one we actually have. I always envisioned myself as chaotic good, but I think now Neutral Good or True Neutral are probally more fitting. I just did the second test and got: Neutral Good Gnome Bard Mage Which I think last time I did it the only difference was I was true neutral. Must be in a "good" mood :D Deity: Oghma is the Neutral Good god of knowledge and invention. He is also known as the Binder of What is Known, and is the Patron of Bards. His followers believe that knowledge reigns supreme, and is the basis for everything else that is done. I can live with that. Chris. ---------------------------- Detailed Results from no. 2: ---------------------------- Law & Chaos: Law ----- XXXXXXX (7) Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXX (12) Chaos --- XX (2) Good & Evil: Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16) Neutral - XXXXXX (6) Evil ---- (-1) Race: Human ---- XXXX (4) Half-Elf - XX (2) Elf ------ XXXXXX (6) Halfling - (-5) Dwarf ---- (-1) Half-Orc - (0) Gnome ---- XXXXXXXX (8) Class: Fighter - XXXXX (5) Ranger -- XX (2) Paladin - X (1) Cleric -- X (1) Mage ---- XXXXXXX (7) Druid --- (-7) Thief --- (-2) Bard ---- XXXXXXXXX (9) Monk ---- (-2) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:26:32 +1200 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: So what are your stats? [was: So what are you?] > In college a group of us decided to play ourselves, wish we had this > test, everyone thought I should have been the Lawful Evil Priest, when I > thought I should have been a Lawful Good Paladin. I guess this program > knows my best mix of personality... You could've used this too :D D&D stats: http://blanchard.virtualave.net/war/dndstats.html My results: Str: 11 Int: 15 (+1) Wis: 13 (+1) Dex: 9 Con: 10 Chr: 15 (+1) (i'm not convinced how acurate they are as I'm not sure of the acuracy of my answers in the 1st place) Came across it while looking up the what D&D character are you thing that I had seen before. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:39:59 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: So what are your stats? [was: So what are you?] Chris Furneaux wrote: http://blanchard.virtualave.net/war/dndstats.html Interesting. I used this site, and here's what I came up with: Str 9Dex 12Con 11Int 13Wis 17Cha 18 The only real problem with that page is that some of the questions can have multiple answers- for instance, under wisdom, there's one that is asks if you are either good at handling your money or sticking to a diet/exercise regimen. Seems to me it should be two different questions- I can handle my budget great, but except for a period of about a year after I graduated college, I have never been able to stick to an exercise regimen for any length of time. Similarly, I don't know that an 18 Charisma is at all accurate (flattering, but probably not that accurate) but some of the questions have sort of vague answers potentially... Still fun, though. I kind of always figured I'd be a good bardic character. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:19:11 -0400 From: Mischa Gelman Subject: Re: So what are your stats? [was: So what are you?] On Wed, 28 May 2003, Andrew Theisen wrote: > http://blanchard.virtualave.net/war/dndstats.html Interesting. I used My scores are Str 5, Int 15, Wis 13, Dex 7, Con 8, Chr 10. More of a MU than the cleric I would like to be class-wise. The old roguelike Omega had an in-depth rate yourself scale also - there I got a Str 4, Int 17, Dex 6, Agility 5, Con 14, Magical Power 3 (I don't have ESP, had an out-of-body experience or any of that. - Mischa The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided. - Casey Stengel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:46:42 -0400 From: Mischa Gelman Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] On Wed, 28 May 2003, Chris Furneaux wrote: > http://twinrose.net/dandchar.php Chaotic Neutral Halfling Cleric. I don't get this at all - I have no idea why I would be chaotic, as I get nervous if I jaywalk. Does a distrust of corporatists, merchants and businessmen make me chaotic? I get the halfling cleric part - I always liked dwarves and halflings and clerics, and dwarf comes up right behind halfling in my poll. Drawing up the rear are evil, human and thief. I guess a lack of greed is a virtue in that sense. > http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/ Using the original version - neutral good human paladin. That sounds pretty good to me. Using the new version - Chaotic good half-elf ranger bard, follower of Solonor Thelandria. I really don't get the chaos part and I am sickened by the idea of elves, but the ranger, bard, good and nature parts are all fine by me. Personally, I'd say neutral good dwarf or human cleric, all of which are covered by one or another 'answer' Though, according to Calvin and Hobbes, when we die, we go to Pittsburgh, which is not an option on question #9 in the original version. Of course, I'm already there, so it's irrelevent. - Mischa The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided. - Casey Stengel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:29:42 -0400 From: Christopher M Cherrington Subject: Re: So what are your stats? [was: So what are you?] Behalf Of Chris Furneaux You could've used this too :D D&D stats: http://blanchard.virtualave.net/war/dndstats.html These were mine... Str: 13 Int: 10 Wis: 14 Dex: 15 Con: 14 Chr: 13 Not a bad all around mix, I totally disagree with the Int. Of course if computer languages counted towards my total I would be closer to 20 ;) One of my friends from college spoke 7 different languages, but he had no common sense and failed business math. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:34:03 -0500 From: Neal Taylor Subject: Who are you?/What are your stats? this was kinda interesting: the first quiz i netted- CN human barbarian I was really shocked by the CN (but i guess i must be insane the computer told me i was) the second quiz was somewhat better: CG Half-orc Ranger/Fighter A half-orc and ya'll were worried about gnomes? I guess at least i'm good. Finally the stats: (something i can live with) STR 18/90 (inflated, but i can't complain) INT 13 (Must have missed too much school) WIS 16 (again a fluke, but no complaints) DEX 15 (Why my intelligence fell i guess) CON 14 (I knew i should have kept drinking after college) CHR 17 (Definatly a fluke, but we'll take it.) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:40:17 -0600 From: John Hare Subject: Re: So what are you? [was: Alignements...] > > http://neppyman.irulethe.net/dndwho/ Lawful Good Gnome Ranger Paladin Follower Of Baervan Wildwanderer Not quite what I was expecting, but strangely appropriate... except for the gnome part. ;) John Hare "My good fortune is your good fortune." - Q ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 May 2003 to 28 May 2003 (#2003-139) ****************************************************************