Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 31 Dec 2002 to 1 Jan 2003 (#2003-2) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 02/01/2003, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 371 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Arcana Mystara: Demonology v.1.0 (3 of 3) 2. Mealiden's Trees of Life (2) 3. On the Trees of Life (2) 4. LOTR II = taboo (2) 5. LOTR II = taboo (spoiler alert) (3) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 05:12:40 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Arcana Mystara: Demonology v.1.0 (3 of 3) Oops. It's not so much language skills as writing EMails way to late at night... :-) Could also be a Froidian slip. It's quite impossible to walk around my region of the world without tapping some soldier on the shoulder... or on some other bodypart. May all the soldiers you meat be patteble ones... Ohad Jacob Skytte wrote:Ohad Shaham (Morphail) wrote. > To save you further headaches my good freind, we should thank Mystara's original authors (and pet ourselves on the soldier) :) I know it's not nice to poke fun at people's language skills, but that had me so cracked up that I simply can't let it pass... I hope you mean "pat ourselves on the shoulder", for "petting the soldier" is something entirely different! lol! No offense meant, really. ;) Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:06:11 +0100 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Mealiden's Trees of Life When Mealiden migrates from the Sylvan Realm, he grows 9 new Trees of Life and takes them with him, presumably one per each tribe he was leading south. Six of them end up in Alfheim (the Feadiel tree comes from the original Ilsundal Tree of the Sylvan Realm, it's not one of the nine grown by Mealiden). The seventh must be in possession of the Callarii Elves in Karameikos, since this tribe was part of Mealiden's exodus. But now two questions come to my mind: Question #1: Where are the two remaining Mealiden's Trees of Life? Question #2: After the Canolbarth forest dies (Wrath of the Immortals campaign) what's going to happen to the Trees of Life of the Alfheim Elves? Will they survive and be transferred somehow, or are they doomed like the rest of the forest? Thanks, Federico _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:35:35 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: On the Trees of Life I also wanted to add some questions: 1) do the Genalleth elves have Trees of Life on their own? If not, do they have a Clan Relic? 2) Where do the Vyalia Trees of Life come from? Thanks. ===== Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis "We poor few forged as brothers in this furnace will emerge as the steel of future generations" -- from "Legionary's Prayers", by Ionaos Nolan ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Cellulari: scarica i loghi e le suonerie per le tue feste! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:26:22 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: LOTR II = taboo From: "Ville V Lähde" > > The only thing which really bugged me was the fact that a nazgul SAW Frodo > and the ring. That goes against the logic of the whole story, book and/or > movie. The invisibility of the hobbits, their "fool's road" was the whole > point, wasn't it? I don't remember this scene particularly well, but if it occurred as they got near Rivendell and Frodo was actually wearing the ring, then yes, he would be highly visible to the Nazgul while being invisible to normal folks according to the book. If the Nazgul saw him when he was not wearing the ring, then they deviated from the book considerably at that point. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:39:59 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: On the Trees of Life From: "la Volpe" > > 1) do the Genalleth elves have Trees of Life on their > own? If not, do they have a Clan Relic? > > 2) Where do the Vyalia Trees of Life come from? The answers to both questions are uncertain, unless somebody has some real information about these Genalleth elves. (Where are they located, anyway?) According to Gaz 5, there are ten Mother Trees of Life. Six of these trees are located in Alfheim, and one is located in the Sylvan Realm. It is likely that the Callarii have one as well, leaving two unaccounted for. For the Vyalia, Shiye-Lawr, and and any other elven clans that clearly have Trees of Life but no clear connection to Alfheim or the Sylvan Realm, I would suggest that their Trees of Life are descended from one or the other of those two Mother Trees of Life. All we know for sure about those two unknown Mother Trees of Life is that they are alive and in good health, since anything bad that happened to them would also happen to their descendants. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:46:37 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: Mealiden's Trees of Life From: "Federico Kaftal" > But now two > questions come to my mind: > > Question #1: Where are the two remaining Mealiden's Trees of Life? The answer to that question was deliberately left mysterious. Presumably those two Trees of Life are in the possession of elf clans not yet described who were the ancestors or benefactors of the Vyalia, Shiye-Lawr, and other elves with no clear connection to Ilsundal or Mealiden. These mysterious elf clans would explain all those elf clans who have Trees of Life without any obvious and direct connection to the elf clans whose leaders created the Mother Trees of Life. > Question #2: After the Canolbarth forest dies (Wrath of the Immortals > campaign) what's going to happen to the Trees of Life of the Alfheim Elves? > Will they survive and be transferred somehow, or are they doomed like the > rest of the forest? That is a question that was left open in the official TSR material and I think has been addressed but not fully answered in the Mystaran Almanacs. Apparently the trees were left behind but magically hidden and protected -- but ultimately something will have to be done to save them somehow. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:04:03 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: LOTR II = taboo (spoiler alert) i think Ville meant that in the scene taking place in Osgiliath, the Nazgul actually fly low and "see" Frodo who is neither wearing the ring nor entering the wraith world because stabbed by a Morgul knife (as in LOTR 1 when they cross the Bruinen river around Rivendell). thus we can agree that PJ deviated greatly twice: once because he had them in Osgiliath, and twice because the nazgul sees Frodo and tells him to follow him to Mordor (or so i remembered). Thibault Sarlat. Techniques de l'Ingénieur Port: 06 84 92 32 55 Fax: 05 56 96 85 24 www.techniques-ingenieur.fr ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Knott" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] LOTR II = taboo > From: "Ville V Lähde" > > > > The only thing which really bugged me was the fact that a nazgul SAW Frodo > > and the ring. That goes against the logic of the whole story, book and/or > > movie. The invisibility of the hobbits, their "fool's road" was the whole > > point, wasn't it? > > I don't remember this scene particularly well, but if it occurred as > they got near Rivendell and Frodo was actually wearing the ring, > then yes, he would be highly visible to the Nazgul while being > invisible to normal folks according to the book. If the Nazgul > saw him when he was not wearing the ring, then they deviated > from the book considerably at that point. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:28:10 -0500 From: Mike Donnelly Jr Subject: Re: LOTR II = taboo Paul Westermeyer wrote: > God lord I hope not. Another D&D movie might be the straw that kills > the hobby. The first one was everything Gygax swore a D&D movie would > never be. Of course, being pretty much a non-Gygax fan (I like some > of his work, but his articles in Dragon in the early eighties really > turned me off) I expected that eventually it _would_ be so cheesy and > horrific it would make Hawk the Slayer look like an oscar contender. > Which it was. I will don a ring of fire protection and say that I *enjoyed* Hawk the Slayer. It was low-budget, cheesey, and had an improbable story line. Some of the dialog was great from a character interaction standpoint, some of it shouldn't have been done. Of course having Jack Palance in the movie doesn't hurt (I used to live about 15 miles from his place). I have yet to see more than fragments of D&D. Of course, to compare D&D (any module/series/setting) to Tolkein is (at least from my point of view) like comparing a firecracker to a 1000 pound LGB. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:48:29 -0500 From: David Knott Subject: Re: LOTR II = taboo (spoiler alert) From: "Thibault Sarlat" > i think Ville meant that in the scene taking place in Osgiliath, the Nazgul > actually fly low and "see" Frodo who is neither wearing the ring nor > entering the wraith world because stabbed by a Morgul knife (as in LOTR 1 > when they cross the Bruinen river around Rivendell). thus we can agree that > PJ deviated greatly twice: once because he had them in Osgiliath, and twice > because the nazgul sees Frodo and tells him to follow him to Mordor (or so i > remembered). No wonder I don't remember that scene -- I was assuming that it was from the first movie, when in fact it was from the second movie (which I have not seen yet). From the way you describe that scene, it would take extraordinary stupidity on the part of Sauron's minions for them to fail to stop Frodo long before he reaches Mount Doom with the One Ring. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:51:24 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: LOTR II = taboo (spoiler alert) yet if they think he's heading to Minas Tirith, why should they bother to look for him in the Ephel Duath? One of Sauron biggest mistake was to assume that humans would never destroy the ring but rather try to use it against him... thus even if i resent saying this, the (supposed) motives for the baddies and goodies could be well picked this time. Thibault Sarlat. Techniques de l'Ingénieur Port: 06 84 92 32 55 Fax: 05 56 96 85 24 www.techniques-ingenieur.fr ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Knott" To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] LOTR II = taboo (spoiler alert) > From: "Thibault Sarlat" > > > i think Ville meant that in the scene taking place in Osgiliath, the > Nazgul > > actually fly low and "see" Frodo who is neither wearing the ring nor > > entering the wraith world because stabbed by a Morgul knife (as in LOTR 1 > > when they cross the Bruinen river around Rivendell). thus we can agree > that > > PJ deviated greatly twice: once because he had them in Osgiliath, and > twice > > because the nazgul sees Frodo and tells him to follow him to Mordor (or so > i > > remembered). > > No wonder I don't remember that scene -- I was assuming that it was > from the first movie, when in fact it was from the second movie (which > I have not seen yet). From the way you describe that scene, it would > take extraordinary stupidity on the part of Sauron's minions for them > to fail to stop Frodo long before he reaches Mount Doom with the > One Ring. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 31 Dec 2002 to 1 Jan 2003 (#2003-2) *************************************************************