Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Sep 2003 to 16 Sep 2003 (#2003-228) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 17/09/2003, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 25 messages totalling 1340 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Mystara MML Website (9) 2. 2ndED: Ixion's priesthoods(LONG) (3) 3. Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? (5) 4. Thyatian ideas (2) 5. All that i want to know about Karameikos... (2) 6. Sindhi weapons 7. Indian/Sindhi weapons & armor (2) 8. BC 500 Plot lines ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:09:14 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website the site that has that is Clumsy Dwarfs Mystara http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/index.html At 17:32 15/09/03 -0700, you wrote: > Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As for the profiles, I think there was a partial attempt of that already though I don't remember where it was at (perhaps the Vaults of Pandius somewhere?). This website had a short description of some MML members plus questions along the lines such as "What is your favorite AD&D setting besides Mystara?" and "What other RPGs have you played.." I think others that were involved in the making of that list know what I am referring to and can say more about it. > > As for the second idea I believe it would be wonderful since everyone would then know the games going around in their area and be able to contact the appropriate DMs. I would definitely participate in supplying such information. > > Lancer > > Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Hey all, > > I remember when asking for one introduction, others > jumped in. That was just great. This gave me an > idea, so I want to post it and see what you guys > think. > > How about making a Mystara MML website that where we > can have out profiles on it, and also later put up a > bulletin board for Mystara games in our area. That > way others can hookup and network. Does this sound > cool? Would you guys be willing to participate? > > - Joaquin shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:51:10 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: 2ndED: Ixion's priesthoods(LONG) Ramses Ramirez wrote: > Hello everyone! For those of you who still run 2ndED Mystara, I have been working on priesthoods for the main 50 or so Immortals of the WoTI boxed set concentrating on those priesthoods of the Known and Hollow Worlds. Great! I'm definitely interested in this work! > I would like to receive comments, praise and/or criticism from those interested..One of the major criteria for the below conversion was to keep in mind the strength of the cleric (he has major access to 12 spheres and minor access in 1, can use all armors, and can turn undead) and tried the best I can to both convey the feel of Ixion's priests in addition to keeping them competitive with the standard cleric. > > I have included the new priest spheres in "Tome of Magic" in my conversion. So what do you think? Do you like them? Dislike them? :) Are they underpowered, overpowered, or just right? Or if you just have specific questions please go ahead. Overall, I like them. I have a few comments, that I'll put under the appropriate entries below. For the matters of balance, I'll need some time to sort them out, but I'll definitely get to do it within a week. > Without futher adieu, let me share my 4 priesthoods for Ixion ( 2 Known World, and 2 Hollow World) . For all his priesthoods, Ixion demands a lot of worship, so that all his priests must spend 1 hour every day honoring him or their spells won't be granted that day until resting a day and honoring the Immortal. > (BTW, I have seen Giampaolo's work on Ixion's Red Steel priests.. Good job! :) ) . Thanks :) > Sind > Ixion (in all his manifestations and forms) I would divide them into the three manifestations, by giving the Creation, Protection and Combat+War spheres to the appropriate manifestation, and giving the Bless power to the creator priests and the energy drain to the destructors (then one might need to come up with something else for the preserver priests). > Weapons Permitted: jambiya(indian dagger), katar(indian dagger), tulwar(indian sword) The Katar is a punching dagger, IIRC. Also, there was an interesting article on indian weaponry in some Dragon Magazine -- it might be worthy checking out. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FINAL NOTE: From the magic restrictions in the HW boxed set, in AD&D terms, HW priests will NEVER have access to the following spheres: Charm, Summoning, Divination, Necromancy, and Animal. In addition, no "hold" spells work in the HW. Lastly, as a result of the Spell of Preservation, the HW priest needs a WIS of at least 16. It would be interesting to consider how they would work outside the HW -- for example, for use in a campaign set in the past, such as a Taymoran or Nithian age setting. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:55:08 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website Wow, even I am in there! Those profiles havent been updated in years though, have they? I think Joaquin has some good ideas. Perhaps we could start over, possibly even get a separate place for this on starflung? Havard --- shawn stanley skrev: > the site that has that is Clumsy Dwarfs Mystara > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/index.html > > At 17:32 15/09/03 -0700, you wrote: > >Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As for the > profiles, I think there was a > partial attempt of that already though I don't > remember where it was at > (perhaps the Vaults of Pandius somewhere?). This > website had a short > description of some MML members plus questions along > the lines such as > "What is your favorite AD&D setting besides > Mystara?" and "What other RPGs > have you played.." I think others that were involved > in the making of that > list know what I am referring to and can say more > about it. > > > >As for the second idea I believe it would be > wonderful since everyone > would then know the games going around in their area > and be able to contact > the appropriate DMs. I would definitely participate > in supplying such > information. > > > >Lancer > > > >Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > >Hey all, > > > >I remember when asking for one introduction, others > >jumped in. That was just great. This gave me an > >idea, so I want to post it and see what you guys > >think. > > > >How about making a Mystara MML website that where > we > >can have out profiles on it, and also later put up > a > >bulletin board for Mystara games in our area. That > >way others can hookup and network. Does this sound > >cool? Would you guys be willing to participate? > > > >- Joaquin > > > shawn stanley > > what have you done for me lately ... more to the > point what have i done for me > - mightyfew, "i can't wait" > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:30:11 +0200 From: Thibault SARLAT Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website the best way would be to create a form and to put it online to allow anyone= on the list to fill it. Then we need to secure the file or not to put the = Email adresses to avoid any webcrawling robot to sniff the mail and spam an= y of us... I have many ideas, i shall be able to make an exemple form online this week= or next week. Thus we'll be able to gather all the datas and to later put = them on one site. thib Message du 16/09/03 12:15=20 De : Havard Faanes=20 A : MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM=20 Copie =E0 :=20 Objet : Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara MML Website=20 Wow, even I am in there!=20 Those profiles havent been updated in years though,=20 have they?=20 I think Joaquin has some good ideas. Perhaps we could=20 start over, possibly even get a separate place for=20 this on starflung?=20 Havard=20 --- shawn stanley skrev: > the=20 site that has that is Clumsy Dwarfs Mystara=20 > =20 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/index.html=20 > =20 > At 17:32 15/09/03 -0700, you wrote:=20 > >Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As for the=20 > profiles, I think there was a=20 > partial attempt of that already though I don't=20 > remember where it was at=20 > (perhaps the Vaults of Pandius somewhere?). This=20 > website had a short=20 > description of some MML members plus questions along=20 > the lines such as=20 > "What is your favorite AD&D setting besides=20 > Mystara?" and "What other RPGs=20 > have you played.." I think others that were involved=20 > in the making of that=20 > list know what I am referring to and can say more=20 > about it.=20 > >=20 > >As for the second idea I believe it would be=20 > wonderful since everyone=20 > would then know the games going around in their area=20 > and be able to contact=20 > the appropriate DMs. I would definitely participate=20 > in supplying such=20 > information.=20 > >=20 > >Lancer=20 > >=20 > >Joaquin Menchaca wrote:=20 > >Hey all,=20 > >=20 > >I remember when asking for one introduction, others=20 > >jumped in. That was just great. This gave me an=20 > >idea, so I want to post it and see what you guys=20 > >think.=20 > >=20 > >How about making a Mystara MML website that where=20 > we=20 > >can have out profiles on it, and also later put up=20 > a=20 > >bulletin board for Mystara games in our area. That=20 > >way others can hookup and network. Does this sound=20 > >cool? Would you guys be willing to participate?=20 > >=20 > >- Joaquin=20 > =20 > =20 > shawn stanley=20 > =20 > what have you done for me lately ... more to the=20 > point what have i done for me=20 > - mightyfew, "i can't wait"=20 > =20 > =20 ********************************************************************=20 > The Other Worlds Homepage:=20 > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp=20 > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/=20 > To unsubscribe, send email to=20 > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM=20 > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.=20 > =20 ______________________________________________________=20 F=E5 den nye Yahoo! Messenger p=E5 http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/=20 Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt s=E5 morso= m=20 ********************************************************************=20 The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp=20 The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/=20 To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM=20 with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:08:00 -0400 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website Lancer wrote: > Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As for the profiles, I think there was a partial attempt of that already though I don't remember where it was at (perhaps the Vaults of Pandius somewhere?). This website had a short description of some MML members plus questions along the lines such as "What is your favorite AD&D setting besides Mystara?" and "What other RPGs have you played.." I think others that were involved in the making of that list know what I am referring to and can say more about it. IIRC, Clumsy Dwarf was the one to put together that site, and I do think it's available on the Vaults. Other people have suggested taking up the torch and continuing the project, and I think it certainly is worthwhile. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:36:10 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website Thibault SARLAT wrote: > the best way would be to create a form and to put it online to allow anyone on the list to fill it. Then we need to secure the file or not to put the Email adresses to avoid any webcrawling robot to sniff the mail and spam any of us... > I have many ideas, i shall be able to make an exemple form online this week or next week. Thus we'll be able to gather all the datas and to later put them on one site. I think we could use something like the review form: automatically processed, no email needed, etc. Actually, the only things we need to change are the data fields. Bye, -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:41:36 -0700 From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: 2ndED: Ixion's priesthoods(LONG) Thanks for your comments Giampaolo! I appreciate your input. As for how I balanced the priesthoods these were my tentative "rough" guidelines: - A powerful High Power such as "Turning Undead" (and many others) would be equivalent to having Major Access to 1 sphere. 3 Medium level powers would be equivalent to having Major Access to 2 spheres and so on. - Priest with poor combat abilities (i.e. those with no access to metal armors or armor at all, and poor weapons) would have approximately 15 Major Spheres, 1 Minor, and 1 High Power - Those with medium combat abilities (such as the cleric) would have 12 Major Spheres, 1 Minor, and 1 High Power. - Those with good combat abilities (access to most or all metal armors and high damage weapons of 1d8 or more damage per hit) would have about 9 Major Spheres, 1 Minor, and 1 High Power . Ex: A poor combat priest with only say 11 Major Spheres and 1 Minor.. Would need about 4 High Powers or about 6 Medium level powers to compensate (Since a High Power = Major Access to 1 Sphere). I'd be interested to know how you thought about it when balancing priesthoods. As for the Sindhi immortals, I ran into that issue too in regards to having 1 priesthood for each manifestation or just 1 priesthood dealing with all manifestations. I wasn't too sure but tentatively I assumed that indian "priests" would not just worship one manifestation but more than likely honor many manifestations of a certain god. Excuse my ignorance, but I think the question here would be "Do real world Hindu priests revere just one manifestation of a certain god or do they honor all manifestations having practices for each one?"..I *think* they honor most if not all manifestations of their gods though I need to look at it some more..Unless, of course someone already knows! As for the Dragon article on indian weapons... I need to check that out! Yeah it would be interesting to know how the HW clerics would function outside their standard setting.. More than likely, HW natives that migrate to the surface and wish to learn outer-world magic would need to learn the appropriate spheres from those "outer-worlders" that worship their same Immortal. This would mean , of course, that they would lose some of their HW powers while on the surface world to compensate (at least temporarily). Lancer Giampaolo Agosta wrote: Overall, I like them. I have a few comments, that I'll put under the appropriate entries below. For the matters of balance, I'll need some time to sort them out, but I'll definitely get to do it within a week. > Without futher adieu, let me share my 4 priesthoods for Ixion ( 2 Known World, and 2 Hollow World) . For all his priesthoods, Ixion demands a lot of worship, so that all his priests must spend 1 hour every day honoring him or their spells won't be granted that day until resting a day and honoring the Immortal. > (BTW, I have seen Giampaolo's work on Ixion's Red Steel priests.. Good job! :) ) . Thanks :) > Sind > Ixion (in all his manifestations and forms) I would divide them into the three manifestations, by giving the Creation, Protection and Combat+War spheres to the appropriate manifestation, and giving the Bless power to the creator priests and the energy drain to the destructors (then one might need to come up with something else for the preserver priests). > Weapons Permitted: jambiya(indian dagger), katar(indian dagger), tulwar(indian sword) The Katar is a punching dagger, IIRC. Also, there was an interesting article on indian weaponry in some Dragon Magazine -- it might be worthy checking out. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FINAL NOTE: From the magic restrictions in the HW boxed set, in AD&D terms, HW priests will NEVER have access to the following spheres: Charm, Summoning, Divination, Necromancy, and Animal. In addition, no "hold" spells work in the HW. Lastly, as a result of the Spell of Preservation, the HW priest needs a WIS of at least 16. It would be interesting to consider how they would work outside the HW -- for example, for use in a campaign set in the past, such as a Taymoran or Nithian age setting. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:55:30 -0700 From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? In the spirit of ancient mythology and what the ancients thought the elements of the world were(air, earth, fire, and water).. Ok...We have Ixion which represents Fire. Protius which represents the oceans, Water. Terra which is linked to Earth.. Where on Mystara is the Immortal representative of Air? In PC1's centaur creation story it hints of an air being called Nephele with whom Ixion had a relationship with (I think Valerias would have been pretty upset). Where/Who is this Nephele? Interestingly though it does refer to her as an air "being" and does not specifically call her an Immortal though "being" could just be a neutral reference. Lancer --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:00 -0400 From: Andy Morrow Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website The list is a great tool. I'm going to take this opportunity to update my entry. I encourage all of you to do the same. By the way, I just moved to Plymouth, NH and don't know any gamers in the area. Are there any Mystarans living in central New Hampshire? Andy Morrow >Ramses Ramirez wrote:>> Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As for the profiles, I think there was a partial attempt of that already though I don't remember where >it was at>It used to be quite complete, it's just that it has not been up to date>in ages :)>It was maintained by clumsydwarf, IIRC.>Ah, here it is:>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/mml>Bye,>-->Giampaolo Agosta>http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:42:35 -0700 From: John Calvin Subject: Thyatian ideas Hi all, I'm just about done reading the first book (of 4) in Thomas Harlan's series Oath of Empire and I thought that I would share it with you. The setting is in a fantastic version of Rome in the 620s (AD). It's not exactly Mystara, but it does have some nice ideas that could be salvaged for the Empire of Thyatis. Heh...in fact one of the main characters is named Thyatis... a little confusing for me to read, as I was always getting her mixed up with the Empire. ;) Has anyone else picked up this series and thought of Mystara? -John ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:17:14 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? Ramses Ramirez wrote: > In the spirit of ancient mythology and what the ancients thought the elements of the world were(air, earth, fire, and water).. > > Ok...We have Ixion which represents Fire. Protius which represents the oceans, Water. Terra which is linked to Earth.. Where on Mystara is the Immortal representative of Air? Apparently, the "aerial" character has been almost lost in the Sphere of Thought, which is mostly composed of Immortals of the philosophical, rather than elemental, bent. > In PC1's centaur creation story it hints of an air being called Nephele with whom Ixion had a relationship with (I think Valerias would have been pretty upset). > Where/Who is this Nephele? Interestingly though it does refer to her as an air "being" and does not specifically call her an Immortal though "being" could just be a neutral reference. In the RW myth of Ixion, Nephele is a woman made of air by Zeus, closely resembling Hera. I've always thought that the Mystaran and RW myth should be linked to the absence of the Olympians (save for those pretenders in the IM adventure) from Mystara -- the trace of an enmity between Zeus and Ixion. There are several possibilities for Nephele: she might be an elemental being (an elemental lady or djinn princess) or an immortal faerie, or even a goddess (in the AD&D sense). -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:09:31 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? Personally, I have used Odin for this as Air is associated with Thought and also because of the storm aspect of norse mythology (although that is generally attributed to Thor). Actually, Thor might fit better as a Thought Immortal anyways, especially since the Mystaran version attributes him to Berserkers, Rage being an aspect of Thought aswell as Air and storms. Lightning isn't really the main association of Thor in RW myths or even in the mystara interpretation, even though his name means Thunder. Just a thought.. (No pun intended) Havard --- Ramses Ramirez skrev: > In the spirit of ancient mythology and what the > ancients thought the elements of the world were(air, > earth, fire, and water).. > > Ok...We have Ixion which represents Fire. Protius > which represents the oceans, Water. Terra which is > linked to Earth.. Where on Mystara is the Immortal > representative of Air? > > In PC1's centaur creation story it hints of an air > being called Nephele with whom Ixion had a > relationship with (I think Valerias would have been > pretty upset). Where/Who is this Nephele? > Interestingly though it does refer to her as an air > "being" and does not specifically call her an > Immortal though "being" could just be a neutral > reference. > > Lancer > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:27:52 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: 2ndED: Ixion's priesthoods(LONG) Ramses Ramirez wrote: > Thanks for your comments Giampaolo! I appreciate your input. As for > how I balanced the priesthoods these were my tentative "rough" > guidelines: > > - A powerful High Power such as "Turning Undead" (and many others) > would be equivalent to having Major Access to 1 sphere. 3 Medium > level powers would be equivalent to having Major Access to 2 > spheres and so on. According to Player's Option, Turning Undead is indeed equivalent to a "big" Major sphere (not the smaller ones like Astral or Charme). > - Priest with poor combat abilities (i.e. those with no access to > metal armors or armor at all, and poor weapons) would have > approximately 15 Major Spheres, 1 Minor, and 1 High Power - Those > with medium combat abilities (such as the cleric) would have 12 > Major Spheres, 1 Minor, and 1 High Power. - Those with good combat > abilities (access to most or all metal armors and high damage > weapons of 1d8 or more damage per hit) would have about 9 Major > Spheres, 1 Minor, and 1 High Power . Ex: A poor combat priest with > only say 11 Major Spheres and 1 Minor.. Would need about 4 High > Powers or about 6 Medium level powers to compensate (Since a High > Power = Major Access to 1 Sphere). I'd be interested to know how > you thought about it when balancing priesthoods. Uhm, limited armor/weapons are usually worth from 5 to 15 points in PO, so I would consider your assessment correct. Personally, I try to use PO point values to balance specialty priests (I don't use PO for anything else, actually, bar the weapon/armor tables). > As for the Sindhi immortals, I ran into that issue too in regards to > having 1 priesthood for each manifestation or just 1 priesthood > dealing with all manifestations. I wasn't too sure but tentatively > I assumed that indian "priests" would not just worship one > manifestation but more than likely honor many manifestations of a > certain god. Excuse my ignorance, but I think the question here > would be "Do real world Hindu priests revere just one manifestation > of a certain god or do they honor all manifestations having > practices for each one?"..I *think* they honor most if not all > manifestations of their gods though I need to look at it some > more..Unless, of course someone already knows! In that case, I would consider a special "pantheist" type, rather than a specialist: one priest could worship the three aspects of Ixion, and several other powers as well. > As for the Dragon article on indian weapons... I need to check that > out! I think I have a txt version, I'll check when I get home this evening. Bye, GP -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:40:22 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website Plymouth, NH, huh? IIRC that's on the southern edge of the White Mts. I know some people in Manchester who game, some in Milford (western NH), and more in Salem (on the Mass. border). I live in southern Mass, near RI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Morrow" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara MML Website > The list is a great tool. I'm going to take this opportunity to update my entry. I encourage all of you to do the same. By the way, I just moved to Plymouth, NH and don't know any gamers in the area. Are there any Mystarans living in central New Hampshire? Andy Morrow >Ramses Ramirez wrote:>> Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As for the profiles, I think there was a partial attempt of that already though I don't remember where >it was at>It used to be quite complete, it's just that it has not been up to date>in ages :)>It was maintained by clumsydwarf, IIRC.>Ah, here it is:>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/mml>Bye,>--& gt;Giampaolo Agosta>http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:36:17 -0700 From: Daniel Gioffre Subject: Re: Thyatian ideas John, I haven't read the "Oath of Empire" series but I know Thomas. He's the creator of the Lords of the Earth play-by-e-mail strategy game. It's extremely fun (and addictive). I had never thought of this before, but a Mystara LOTE game might be extremely cool (although I don't think there is a mechanism for dealing with magic). The link is http://www.throneworld.com/lords/index.jsp -Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:41:49 -0700 From: Daniel Gioffre Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website Live in Framingham, spend most of my time in Boston. -Dan --- Dan Eustace wrote: > Plymouth, NH, huh? IIRC that's on the southern edge > of the White Mts. I > know some people in Manchester who game, some in > Milford (western NH), and > more in Salem (on the Mass. border). I live in > southern Mass, near RI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Morrow" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara MML Website > > > > The list is a great tool. I'm going to take this > opportunity to update my > entry. I encourage all of you to do the same. By > the way, I just moved to > Plymouth, NH and don't know any gamers in the area. > Are there any Mystarans > living in central New Hampshire? Andy Morrow > >Ramses Ramirez > wrote:>> Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As > for the profiles, I think > there was a partial attempt of that already though I > don't remember where > >it was at>It used to be quite complete, it's > just that it has not > been up to date>in ages :)>It was maintained > by clumsydwarf, > IIRC.>Ah, here it > is:>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/mml>Bye,>--& > gt;Giampaolo > Agosta>http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:02:51 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Mystara MML Website A player IMC lives in Framingham. I was just up there the other day. I'm in N. Attleboro. I'm also in the city quite a lot - pleasure rather than business. Another couple players IMC are now musicians in King Richard's Faire and I think a group of us will be going to check it out this Saturday. The D&D players of the group get all decked out in medieval apparel and blend right in with the faire. I may do the same, and after a few pints of the king's ale, I'll blend right in myeslf! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Gioffre" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara MML Website > Live in Framingham, spend most of my time in Boston. > > -Dan > > --- Dan Eustace wrote: > > Plymouth, NH, huh? IIRC that's on the southern edge > > of the White Mts. I > > know some people in Manchester who game, some in > > Milford (western NH), and > > more in Salem (on the Mass. border). I live in > > southern Mass, near RI. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andy Morrow" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara MML Website > > > > > > > The list is a great tool. I'm going to take this > > opportunity to update my > > entry. I encourage all of you to do the same. By > > the way, I just moved to > > Plymouth, NH and don't know any gamers in the area. > > Are there any Mystarans > > living in central New Hampshire? Andy Morrow > > >Ramses Ramirez > > wrote:>> Those are great ideas, Joaquin. As > > for the profiles, I think > > there was a partial attempt of that already though I > > don't remember where > > >it was at>It used to be quite complete, it's > > just that it has not > > been up to date>in ages :)>It was maintained > > by clumsydwarf, > > IIRC.>Ah, here it > > > is:>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/7295/mystara/mml>Bye,>--& > > gt;Giampaolo > > Agosta>http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > The Mystara Homepage: > > http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > > To unsubscribe, send email to > > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to > > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:26:14 -0700 From: Lothlann Subject: All that i want to know about Karameikos... Allright, i come back in Karameikos to ask for some help. If you know something correlated to the Black Peak Mountains, please tell me! Stories, where i can found sources about habitat & geography, NPC who lives there....If there aren't maps, it's not a problem, even suggestions about conformation of the mountains or some ideas you found great to design them. Another question: in a recent post i've made, i asked about the little towns in Karameikos. Now i found very useful the informations gave to me, but i'm curios about the territory that surrounds Vorloi and Dmitrov. It's only plain? or a bit wooded? Thanks to all See you soon! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:46:08 +0200 From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: Re: Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? I've generally used Odin or Palatarkan as the "air" Immortals Eyal -----Original Message----- In the spirit of ancient mythology and what the ancients thought the elements of the world were(air, earth, fire, and water).. Ok...We have Ixion which represents Fire. Protius which represents the oceans, Water. Terra which is linked to Earth.. Where on Mystara is the Immortal representative of Air? In PC1's centaur creation story it hints of an air being called Nephele = with whom Ixion had a relationship with (I think Valerias would have been = pretty upset). Where/Who is this Nephele? Interestingly though it does refer to = her as an air "being" and does not specifically call her an Immortal though "being" could just be a neutral reference. Lancer --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:38:58 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Matteo_Barnab=E8?= Subject: Sindhi weapons Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > Weapons Permitted: jambiya(indian dagger), katar(indian dagger), > > tulwar(indian sword) > > The Katar is a punching dagger, IIRC. Also, there was an interesting article on indian > weaponry in some Dragon Magazine -- it might be worthy checking out. I'm very interested in this article, where can I find it? (otherwise, also a concise summary would be useful). I'm going to DM a new Mystaran campaign using the D&D3E rules, and one of the PCs is a Sindhi monk, so I need to replace the standard monk weapons (most of all crossbow, kama, nunchaku, shuriken, siangham and sling) with more proper ones, really tied to the Sindhi culture. Bye Matteo / Ekrenor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:35:33 -0700 From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: Indian/Sindhi weapons & armor Yes it does help! Thanks a bunch! An interesting site on Indian-style weapons with pictures can be found here: http://www.foolsforge.com/Sword8.php Lancer Giampaolo Agosta wrote: Hi, here is the article on Indian weaponry. Hope it helps, GP ---------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:12:55 -0700 From: John Calvin Subject: BC 500 Plot lines Here are some plot lines/campaign seeds that I've thought about for the BC 500 (Fall of Nithia) campaign. I am incorporating ideas from Giulio Caroletti, Christopher Cherrington, Havard Faanes, and (probably) others. None are really fleshed out at this point…just semi-random ideas. Traladara: This plot line builds off of some of my previous work with lycanthropy in the ancient world (which can be found on the Vaults). The basic premise is that the Nithians had modified the Curse of Lycanthropy for their own ends. They were able to control it somewhat, and at a point it even became fashionable (among some circles) to contract the disease. With the fall of Nithia, all knowledge of controlling lycanthropy vanishes, and the curse is 'unleashed' upon the world once more. One of the areas that Lycanthropy hits hard is Traladara. As the population recovers from humanoid attacks a new menace begins to emerge. Several vampire lords emerge and start asserting their control over the countryside. The vampires were Traldar vassals of Entropy worshiping Nithian lords who have all been newly freed from their bonds of domination (which vanished with the Nithians). The vampires are employing lycanthropic vassals and believe themselves to be the inheritors of Ancient Taymora. In this case the baddies may have quite an advantage over the PCs in that the vampires probably now more about lycanthropy than anyone else in the Known World. Is the fact that silver can harm a lycanthrope widely known, or did that knowledge vanish with the Nithians? The chase (for artifacts) can start in Traladara, and slowly work its way outward across the countryside to what is now Thyatis, and eventually to the newly blasted region that will be the Alaysian Basin. The vampires might also try to expand and set up strongholds in Thyatis and Darokin, and perhaps even the newly freed Shires. As a twist, the PCs might actually be working for one of these vampire lords (perhaps seeking the promised ‘reward’ of lycanthropy (or even vampirism) from their masters after a job well done. In this case they will find themselves pitted against agents of the hin, and the elves, as well as others who fight evil. At some point the PCs may see the error of their ways and turn upon their former masters. The Shires: The hin are finally free of their orcish oppressors and the Shires can begin to prosper. However, not all is well in the Shires. Dark figures have begun to impose their will from the east (in Traladara), and orc attacks are still frequent. To remain free, the hin must remain vigilant. Hin adventures could focus on gaining allies, and strengthening the borders of the Shire. Perhaps the PCs are sent into the wide world in search of allies against the orcs (the elves would be a good choice, as might be the proto-Thyatians). Perhaps they are part of a band tasked with the challenge of capturing an enemy stronghold and making it their own. Orcs would have to be rooted from their underground warrens, and fortresses would need to be built. [The need for such defenses would lessen after the elves stabilize the area, and perhaps they quickly slip into disuse. Maybe a few of those nice rolling hills in the Shires are actually crumbled and overgrown battlements.] Once the outside threats are taken care of, hin PCs might be shocked to find that their communities are rotting from within. Lycanthropy is taking hold, and either cursing (or killing) hin. These dark events are being orchestrated from outside of the Shire and the PCs will have to determine who their foes are and put a stop to them. Darokin/Canolbarth: The elven presence in Brun is mighty, and here to stay. After the disappearance of Nithia, the vastly powerful elven military has a chance to catch its breath and turn its attentions elsewhere. They find two foes: 1) roving bands of humanoids which must be crushed, and 2) primitive tribes of humans (former pawns or slaves of the Nithians) who must be civilized. The sinking of Oenkmar plunges the humanoids into chaos, and it heralds the beginning of the end of their reign of terror in the area. An elven campaign in this time will most likely be a military campaign. The elves are out to clean house. Militart raids will be made on humanoids in the area until they are all pushed back into the broken lands. [This will have the unfortunate side effect of causing humanoid migrations away from southern Brun and up into the north where they will come into conflict with the dwarves, and even destroy the gnomish civilization in the Northern Reaches.] As the Canolbarth grows, the magical power points within its borders will increase in power. Strange creatures begin to emerge from these sites and plague the elves (perhaps remnants of old Nithia leaking out of the space-time continuum). Other powerful individuals might also become interested in these magical The elves might also be left with the feeling that they have unfinished business in the area…perhaps the thought that there is an enemy who was not truly defeated, and who might one day return. It may be possible that some Nithians escaped immortal wrath by fleeing to other planes of existence. Perhaps one of these miscreants is the one who attacks Alfheim City in later years. Thyatis: The Thyatians will be beginning their conquest of the surrounding lands and the subjugation of the Doulakki people. They may also have a fair share of run-ins with orcs and elves. The Thyatians may also be left with the vague feeling that an old enemy might return and prepare for that eventuality by building up military forces. Thyatian PCs would face a military campaign very similar to that of the elves. They could be sent on missions to destroy orcish hoards, conquer Doulakki tribes, and to find weapons of their ancient (and unknown) enemy. The elves could be a constant thorn in their sides, as well as valuable allies. The Thyatian goal however would be that of self rule. Though they might accept help from the elves (in the form of weapons, etc…) they do not want to be beholden to the elves. Other Powers: The Ierendi isles may still be full of ancient Taymoran undead strongholds. Perhaps the destruction of Nithia (and the sinking of Oenkmar) have recently awakened them. The lizardman empire has just breathed its last breath on the Minrothad Isles, but it is possible that some lizardmen priests linger on in undeath. They had intended to unleash their wrath upon the Nithians, but the immortals disrupted that plan. Now they have their forces built up, but can’t quite remember who it was that needing punishing. Oh well, they’ll just punish anyone they can grab hold of… Anyone want to add to these? ===== Rule #85. I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:44:16 +0800 From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" Subject: Re: Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? Hail Mystarans! Hail Lancer! I've asked a similar question a couple of months back regarding sky dieties of Mystara. It was generally agreed upon that Odin would be the most supreme of the Immortals ruling air, the sky, and weather, though his worship on Mystara would be considerbly lesser in magnitude and scope, compared to other elemental Immortals, such as Terra (earth), Ixion (fire), and Protius (water). > From the previous discussions, two main reasons were given. The first reason is that Odin is not as old or timeless as the other three Immortals, and thus not as universally worshipped. He is distinctly focused on the Northmen cultures, and this may hinder the acceptance of his worship to other cultures. The second (and probably more significant reason) is the otherwordly Alphatians. Since their arrival in Mystara, the Alphatians have dominated the element of air, in terms of geography, culture, politics, religion, and magic, and thus all things to do with elemental air, the skies, the weather leaves a bad Alphatian bad in the mouth (or a bad smell in the air?). The Alphatians themselves have many major Immortals from the Sphere of Thought (thus related to Elemental Air), foremost of which is their own, Palartarkan (formerly the air wizard Ar of Floating Ar fame). Other Immortals of Thought include Koryis and Asterius, and they would probably have some aspects related to air (i.e. "Koryis, Whisperer of the Gentle Winds," or "Asterius of the Winged Feet"). Even other Alphatian Immortals from the other Spheres may be worshipped as air-related personas, such as the Immortals Alphatia and Zirchev. Kit Navarro Mystaran Mythologist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramses Ramirez" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:55 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Where in the world is Mystara's "air" Immortal? > In the spirit of ancient mythology and what the ancients thought the elements of the world were(air, earth, fire, and water).. > > Ok...We have Ixion which represents Fire. Protius which represents the oceans, Water. Terra which is linked to Earth.. Where on Mystara is the Immortal representative of Air? > > In PC1's centaur creation story it hints of an air being called Nephele with whom Ixion had a relationship with (I think Valerias would have been pretty upset). Where/Who is this Nephele? Interestingly though it does refer to her as an air "being" and does not specifically call her an Immortal though "being" could just be a neutral reference. > > Lancer > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:56:34 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: All that i want to know about Karameikos... Lothlann wrote: > > Another question: in a recent post i've made, i asked about the little > towns in Karameikos. Now i found very useful the informations gave to me, > but i'm curios about the territory that surrounds Vorloi and Dmitrov. It's > only plain? or a bit wooded? Probably lightly wooded. Centuries ago, there might have been forests as heavy as in Dymrak, but the area might have been overtaxed by local or Thyatian woodcutters to the point that any actual wood may be lost in another century or so -- much like to what happened in several areas of Italy in the Roman age. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:21 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Indian/Sindhi weapons & armor Ramses Ramirez wrote: > Yes it does help! Thanks a bunch! You're welcome :) > An interesting site on Indian-style weapons with pictures can be found here: > http://www.foolsforge.com/Sword8.php Thank you, good link -- I'd never seen a katar, except in Planescape Torment, which is not much, as far as historical documentation goes ;) Bye, -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Sep 2003 to 16 Sep 2003 (#2003-228) ****************************************************************