Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 9 Oct 2003 to 10 Oct 2003 (#2003-246) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 11/10/2003, 18:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 401 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Mystara: The Lost Chronicles (2) 2. more Almanac erratum 3. About Heldann (2) 4. Mishler's Carnifex history? (3) 5. Mishler's Carnifex history- Found? 6. Kubittes and Garganthuax 7. OT Relocation ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:51:32 -0700 From: Baron Greystone Subject: Re: Mystara: The Lost Chronicles Actually, if you could do me a favor while you're searching, maybe you could find a text file I had posted to the MML years ago. It was for my Spelljammer crytstal sphere, Titanspace, wherein I placed my Mystara. My Titanspace graphic is on the Vaults, but the text file is lost. :( I'd be very grateful if the text is found... TIA! > >That would be *very* nice of you if you could do that. Makes me wonder > >how many other early works there are out there, that were posted to the > >MML, but for some reason never made it to the Vaults? I think I'll check > >my HD and old diskettes to see if I have anything... > > > >Geoff > > > >I think there are definitely a couple of them, I'll see if I find anything > interesting when I look over the old disks- I've got a grip of disks with a > long list of digested information that I really have to go through anyway. :) > > there might be things that haven't amde it onto the Vaults but what might > be more likely is that stuff of this vintage may have been posted onto the > original Mystara Message Board which didn't have wide access back then - I > could never get onto it. > > shawn stanley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:05:26 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Harri_M=E4ki?= Subject: more Almanac erratum I found two other dead person from the old almanacs.=20 Duke Perceval of Pawchester in Bellayne got arrow through eye and fell from= the saddle breaking his neck in 1016. There was not explicitly said that h= e died but don't believe that even rakasta could survive that. Anyway he is= still in the list of nobles of Bellayne. Hildric Vendor, Guild Corser Guild Master in Minrothad, was executed in 101= 6 after his part in assassination attempts against Oran Meditor was exposed= . Yet after Thyatian takeover he was named as a Baron of North Isle next ye= ar. I couldn't find any mention about him later, but anyway if somebody is = going to use him in Minrothad in 1019 or later be warned. Harri ............................................................ Maksuton s=E4hk=F6posti aina k=E4yt=F6ss=E4 http://luukku.com Kuukausimaksuton MTV3 Internet-liittym=E4 www.mtv3.fi/liittyma ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:33:18 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Mystara: The Lost Chronicles At 12:51 AM 10/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: > Actually, if you could do me a favor while you're searching, maybe you could > find a text file I had posted to the MML years ago. It was for my > Spelljammer crytstal sphere, Titanspace, wherein I placed my Mystara. My > Titanspace graphic is on the Vaults, but the text file is lost. :( I'd be > very grateful if the text is found... > > TIA! yeah I wasn't on the list at that time and I think you sent the file as an attatchment or something that wasn't saved in the digest or something like that. I remember trying to hunt it down a couple of years ago to no avail. Can anybody else help? shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:41:14 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: About Heldann Quoting Ville V Lähde : > Thanks for your information, not things are making sense... Some other > things are clearer now, like for example why Landfall and Oceansend > seem > to be Heldanner holdings, whereas in the Dawn of the Emperors-map they > are > a part of the Norwold area. It seems that in the Heldannic Knights > timeline those two cities have been conquered by the Knights. As I understand it the HK's invade norworld well after AC 1000. It either happens during WotI or during the MA, but I'm not really an expert on them. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:54:17 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Mishler's Carnifex history? --- Geoff Gander > Ah, George found my old timeline of Y'hog, which > goes back to around > 10,000 BC or so, and ends with the sinking of > Lhomarr just before 7000 BC. > Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you working > on? Maybe I can help... Heh, Im not really working on anything at the moment. The whole carnifex/Outer Being topic is one that I know way too litle about. But it is something that is very interesting and something Id like to incorporate further in my campaigns. Thanks for the offer though! I might get back to it when I've delved more into the subject... Håvard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:00:00 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Mishler's Carnifex history? --- shawn stanley > Håvard, it sounds like > http://dnd.starflung.com/nightdim.html is one that > you've found? Yeah i found it. Actually looking at it more closely it has more about the carnifex than I saw at first glance. That might be the one I was looking for, although I thought there would be more... thanks anyways! :) Håvard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:27:33 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Mishler's Carnifex history- Found? Thanks Andrew, this is good stuff! Håvard --- Andrew Theisen skrev: > Okay, here's one of the bits from James' Carnifex > history that I have immediately at hand- I don't > think it's the full version that he once posted > though (I'm pretty sure I remember a different > version that preceded this and that isn't available > any longer, now that the majordomo list archives > don't seem to be around any more. I'll keep looking > for that one.) > > > Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:47:29 EST > > From: Mystaros@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Carnifex Question > > > > In a message dated 99-02-19 18:01:45 EST, > au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes: > > > > << Hmmm, if you go by Mystaros' work (care to jump > in, Mystaros?), then I *believe* that the Carnifex > era began several hundred thousand years ago - it > took a long time for them to evolve from > carnosauroids into the more bipedal, magic-using > heavies we know and love - and lasted until roughly > BC 10,000. >> > > > > My own take on the Carnifex is that they were > originally created by Ka circa 50,000,000 years BC, > in an incipient-intelligent state. They evolved > slowly over the next several aeons, until the first > great Kingdoms arose ca. 25,000,000 BC. The Carnifex > Tyranny conquered Mystara about 15,000,000 BC, and > slowly expanded into the Multiverse over the several > million years thereafter. The conflict with the > Immortals occured about 5,000,000 BC. Note that IMC, > 1000 AC is about 5,000,000,000 years after the > Creation of the Multiverse, give or take a million > (check out my Multiverse Creation Epic for more > info, available on Shawn's site)... > > > > My scale for the Caernifex in the Mystaran Timeline > tends toward the Lovecraftian, in that the Carnifex > are of such ancient antiquity that the modern lands > literally grow around the ancient ruins of the > Carnifex (one of my favorite Mythos stories is > Howard's "The Black Stone", which gives a sense of > where I place the Carnifex in the timestream). For a > more "modern" take on the concept, read the Star > Trek novel "First Contact" (not the movie version, > the Classic Trek novel, in which Kirk & Company are > involved in the events that so traumatically > affected Earth 65 million years ago)... Note that > the Mystara map also resembles the RW map several > million years after that EVENT, some 60 million > years ago... not a coincidence IMC... > > > > The Serpentines, however, ruled much later than the > Carnifex, closer to the time of the Gazetteers, a > mere 1,000,000 through 100,000 BC. You may have been > thinking of the materials I've written concerning > the Serpentine Empire... > > > > That's my own take on the era of the Carnifex... all > only IMC of course... > > > > Mystaros > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > > 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:30:40 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Kubittes and Garganthuax --- Chris Furneaux > A Dragon turtles back would make a fantastic hideout > for gargantua. It may not > even need to be gargantuan. I just keep picturing > james bond baddies with subs. > Alphatia has an entire underwater city I'm sure they > could figure out a way to > put one on the back of a dragon turtle. > > A dragon turtles shell is about 10 meters across so > a gargantuan one would be > about 20 meters across. Plenty of room for a whole > lab. And I can see PC's > shitting themselves when they realise what it is. Hehe, how about a whole hollowed out dragon-turtle, mechanized and operated by gnomish engineers? hmmm...i should stop now.. :D Håvard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:12:30 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Mishler's Carnifex history? At 01:00 PM 10/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: > --- shawn stanley > >> H=E5vard, it sounds like >> http://dnd.starflung.com/nightdim.html is one that >> you've found? > > Yeah i found it. > Actually looking at it more closely it has more about > the carnifex than I saw at first glance. That might be > the one I was looking for, although I thought there > would be more... > > thanks anyways! :) well according to James' site there is a third part after this one, but it doesn't ring a bell shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for= me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:24:50 +0200 From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: Re: About Heldann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Furneaux" > As I understand it the HK's invade norworld well after AC 1000. It either > happens during WotI or during the MA, but I'm not really an expert on them. Yes in 1011 ac, I think, in the Second Poor's Wizard Almanac Bye Francesco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:16:49 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: OT Relocation This is off topic, but considering there is a large international base on the list, I was just wondering... My work deals with sales, recently they offered up several positions abroad and my name came up for relocation. The offers are for Guam, Spain (Rota) and Italy. What would be the most tolerable for my family of foreigners? (IMO, Guam does not offer much for experiences for my kids). What makes one place better to relocate than the other? (Besides a large group ready to play D&D in Italy) You can email me privatley so we don't use up a lot of space on the list. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 9 Oct 2003 to 10 Oct 2003 (#2003-246) ***************************************************************