Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 7 Dec 2003 to 8 Dec 2003 (#2003-288)
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Topics of the day:

 1. Immortals

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Date:    Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:51:25 +1300
From:    Chris Furneaux <c_furneaux@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
Subject: Re: Immortals

> > well the key difference between immortals and dragon
> > rulers or Ellemental
> > rulers is that to be a powerful immortal you have to
> > have belivers. Perhaps the
> > reason dragon rulers always have a simmilar immortal
> > rank is that unlike normal
> > immortals where the individual is believed in in
> > dragon society it is the
> > position. Therefore any dragon holding that position
> > has a simmilar power base
> > as the last one.
>
> It is an interesting idea, but perhaps really
> imbalancing.

Why? Only if you are dealing with a dragon PC I think. And even then it's not
like there is a lot more power they can gain. This is assuming they have powers
like an immortal of a particular rank but progress differently. Perhaps I
should have said ANY dragon holding the position will have a similar power. I
was suggesting the position grants power and is not the same as being immortal.
In a sence the position could be immortal, but the holder of the position only
gains immortal powers and benefits while the position is held.

> Another option would be to simply make
> the new dragon ruler into a fresh immortal, who can
> advance similarly to other Immortals from that point
> on. This leaves only the *way of ascention* different
> from other immortals, not immortal life itself.
> However, only 4 dragon rulers may exist at any time.
> For any new dragon to achieve Immortality, he must
> challenge the existing dragon ruler of his kind.
> Failure means he becomes an exalted being (described
> in Dragon Mag as a Dragon Guardian or something like
> that.)

My issue with that is it really just makes dragons other immortals. Essentially
the *way of ascention* is the equivilent to pursueing any of the other paths to
immortallity. While it is nice to be consistant, it dosen't make the dragon
rulers different like they used to be. additionally it means that there is no
reason (other then ease of discovery and beliefs) to pursue the draconic path
to immortallity as opossed to another path.

> I think the Elemental Rulers should also be Immortal.
> The elemental planes would be their Home Planes,
> making them incredibly powerful. However, there may be
> other laws restricting them, perhaps limiting them
> from using their Powers outside their Home Plane. I
> remember the old Immortal Rules where you had to
> negotiate with the Elemental Rulers to add elemental
> matter to your Home Plane...

I liked that old rule. really tho elemental rulers could come about any number
of ways. I don't know if ther has been any work done on structures of the
elemental planes highrachy. but it would be interesting.

> Elementals could achieve immortality outside of this
> system (as could dragons), but they would be
> considered renegades and possibly be hunted down.

sounds a bit harsh to me. I like the idea that one would choose a path for it's
benefits not be forced into it by race etc. each to their own.

Chris.

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