Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 Jan 2003 to 3 Jan 2003 (#2003-4) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 04/01/2003, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 390 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. On the Trees of Life (3) 2. Almanac 1018 fonts (4) 3. Mealiden's Trees of Life (3) 4. War-Journal of Bue Geirsteinson - Part XIV ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:11:50 +0100 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: On the Trees of Life Where is it stated in Canon that the Shye-Lawr Elves, or even the Vyalia Elves (whose culture resembles closely the Ylari and who worship an immortal or saint human mage, according to B7 Rahasia) have any Tree of Life? And another thing: did anybody figure out (or imagine in his/her own campaign) how the Tree plague in Canolbarth Forest originated and spread? The WotI Canonic explanation (magic of the Shadow Elves) seems quite generic... Federico Kaftal _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:32:27 -0800 From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: On the Trees of Life From: "Andrew Theisen" > Also, I and others have postulated here that the Shiye have their own clan relic (not ToL). When Geoff visited several months back, he and I came up with the idea that the Shiye have a Fount of Vitality- springs of magically endowed water that form the basis of their religious/clan life, and which perform the same functions as other elvish relics. That's interesting. Did you detail this Fount of Vitality? Would you want to write an article about it in the next MA, it would make an excellent counterpoint to Zoltan and to Nordenalfheim. BTW the fact that the Shiye don't have ToL is compatible with what I've written in my short story Zoltan the Treekeeper, which is MA-canon since Zoltan appears in the MA. In this story, Zoltan brings a ToL to one of the free Shiye clans of Norwold, which is a wonder to the local Shiye (it's part of their legends/history). Of course, it is also a source of annoyance for the Eiryndul priests, because it threatens to undermine their patron's authority. The short story implies that the Zoltan's White Oak, which is a daugter tree of a Vyalian ToL, is the only one the Norwold Shiye have; presumably there is none in Shiye-Lawr in Alphatia, and it would be almost impossible to bring one there (the NW Shiye are somewhat more open). ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:36:16 +1300 From: Richard Vowles Subject: Re: On the Trees of Life Federico Kaftal wrote: > And another thing: did anybody figure out (or imagine in his/her own > campaign) how the Tree plague in Canolbarth Forest originated and spread? > The WotI Canonic explanation (magic of the Shadow Elves) seems quite > generic... Didn't Atzeontotl (sp?) have a hand in that? I seem to remember it from somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:00:00 -0800 From: SUBSCRIBE MYSTARA-L hammer_of_ulric Subject: Almanac 1018 fonts I'm looking at the latest almanac, but it is very difficult to read. I'm not sure which font has been used. What are the chances of getting the font changed for future editions? Hammer of Ulric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:40:36 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Almanac 1018 fonts i am no expert at these, but i beleive that the titles are in arial and the body is in times new roman... are you sure you don't have them? it's pretty basic font. but maybe there are some arts sections... Thibault Sarlat. Techniques de l'Ingénieur Port: 06 84 92 32 55 Fax: 05 56 96 85 24 www.techniques-ingenieur.fr ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:58:15 +0100 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Mealiden's Trees of Life I read DM's notes and I propose the following: 1. The Verdier (Minrothad) clan split from the Vyalias of Traldar (Karameikos), who NEVER had a ToL of their own. Gaz1 describes the Vyalia as "not related" to Callarii, therefore the Vyalia were not part of Mealiden's migration. They were instead the true brother-clan of the Meditor. 2. The Greenheight clan parted, like the Verdier, from the "original" Traldar Vyalias and were still a single clan when Mealiden first arrived in what now we call Thyatis. Then, they must have helped and protected Mealiden's clans from belligerent humans (even though not enough to convince Mealiden to settling in Thyatis); therefore they received a "gift": one of Mealiden's two spare ToL seeds, which Ilsundal had created for him in excess, in case one of the seven clan ToLs should die (see later why I count *seven* clans). Mealiden couldn't offer live trees or tree branches, because the ToLs hadn't yet grown up. Therefore he MUST have given away one of the original seeds. 3. The Thyatis Greenheights (no longer in touch with the more secluded Traldar Vyalia) later divided in six clans (Blueleaves, Diamaraks, Hierydyls, Greenheights, Treeshields and Etherdyls). The original ToL is still with the leading clan (The Greenheights), the other clans got branches taken from it. 4. The Savage Coast elves and the Belcadiz (Glantri) never had ToLs. 5. The Erewan clan (Glantri) may have a branch born of the Erendyl ToL. 6. The Feadiel (Alfheim) clan has a branch born of the original Sylvan Realm mother ToL of Ilsundal, as stated in Gaz5 and CM7. 7. The original 7 tribes following Mealiden were: Mealidil, Long Run, Erendyl, Grunalf, Chossum, Shyie-Lawr, Callarii. Note that, according to Gaz5, the Mealidil gave later birth in Alfheim to another clan, the Red Arrow; they were originally a single tribe whose leader was Mealiden himself: this is why the Red Arrow clan had the exceptional privilege to receive a separate ToL of its own (the last of the two spare seeds was therefore used). 8. The Shyie-Lawr migrated eastwards and settled first on the IoD: the True Flower family kept the ToL (as per M5 Talons of Night), while the rest of the clan converted to Eiryndul and moved on to settle in Alphatia. Therefore I resume where the 10 ToLs are now: 1 (Ilsundal's) in the Sylvan Realm (if not dead as per CM7), 6 in Alfheim (or 3 in Wendar, 3 in Karameikos after WotI's events), 1 in Karameikos (Callarii), 1 in Thyatis (Greenheight), 1 in IoD (True Flower). Hope this helps. Federico P.S.: by the way: what could be the Elvish name for Long Run, Red Arrow and True Flower? Any suggestion from people with knowledge of Alt-German or Gothic languages? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:06:04 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Almanac 1018 fonts Thibault Sarlat wrote: > i am no expert at these, but i beleive that the titles are in arial and the > body is in times new roman... are you sure you don't have them? it's pretty > basic font. > but maybe there are some arts sections... The last almanac, at least in the pdf version, had a gothic font face _everywhere_. Indeed, its use could be limited to the titles. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 03:08:34 -0800 From: SUBSCRIBE MYSTARA-L hammer_of_ulric Subject: Re: Almanac 1018 fonts The pdf is in a very fancy font, not Times or Arial. I'm using the pdf rather than the rtf because it has the pictures embedded. The files could also be improved by adding bookmarks. Its quite tricky finding anything in such a huge document. Apart from these minor quibbles, an impressive body of work! Hammer of Ulric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:32:13 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Mealiden's Trees of Life Federico Kaftal wrote: > > 1. The Verdier (Minrothad) clan split from the Vyalias of Traldar > (Karameikos), who NEVER had a ToL of their own. Gaz1 describes the > Vyalia as > "not related" to Callarii, therefore the Vyalia were not part of Mealiden's > migration. They were instead the true brother-clan of the Meditor. I quite like this solution. IMC, the Vyalia, Meditor and Verdier are all leftovers of the Sheyallia split from Ilsundal's migration. Also your solution for the Vyalia ToL seems sound. > 4. The Savage Coast elves and the Belcadiz (Glantri) never had ToLs. Of course, since like the Minrothaddan and Graakhalian elves, they split from Ilsundal's migration before its arrival to the Savage Coast. > 5. The Erewan clan (Glantri) may have a branch born of the Erendyl ToL. If so, then it is probably a younger tree. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:27:44 +0800 From: "Francisco V. Navarro V" Subject: Re: Mealiden's Trees of Life ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giampaolo Agosta" > > 4. The Savage Coast elves and the Belcadiz (Glantri) never had ToLs. > > Of course, since like the Minrothaddan and Graakhalian elves, they split from Ilsundal's migration before its arrival to the Savage Coast. The Belcadiz elves come from the planet called Ordana (M-Uranus)... at least, that's what the humans of Mystara call it. When they arrived on the Savage Coast (before they eventually ended up in the Glantrian Highlands), they had abandoned their Old Religion (which became the basis of the Secret Craft of Witchcraft), so they had no ToL, as the othey Mystaran elves had. > > 5. The Erewan clan (Glantri) may have a branch born of the Erendyl ToL. > > If so, then it is probably a younger tree. This is consistent with GPD material on the Erewan migration from Alfheim. Kit Navarro Glantrian Scholar and Speculator ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:09:35 +0100 From: Jacob Skytte Subject: War-Journal of Bue Geirsteinson - Part XIV Keeping to schedule. ;) Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk *** The War-Journal of Bue Geirsteinson Vatermont 26th, the year 1000 After Crowning of the First Emperor of the = Thyatian Empire Following the trail left by the remainder of my family, my mother and = two brothers, and their small force of loyal followers, I could not = banish Asta from my mind. Her pale face, the soft touch of her lips. I = grew angry, hateful, then despaired at her fate. I prayed to Odin that = He spare her from death, I made promises that I keep in my heart and = will not commit to writing, promises of what I would do if only He would = let her live. My force of men was reduced to some 50 warriors, among them Ingibjorg = Siglindesdottir, who had chosen to leave her dying friend, still bitter = or afraid of the magic she had witnessed. In a way, I understood. = Sorcery is seen as foul and evil, an instrument of those who follow Loki = the Trickster. That Asta would wield sorcery serves to taint her, it is = true. But to those who know her, as Ingibjorg must and as I feel that I = have come to, there can be no doubt that she is not evil, that she does = not serve the Trickster. That she would wield this magic in my defence = only speaks of her willingness to sacrifice all to protect others, it is = nobility, not deceit. But try as I might to justify her actions for = myself, I knew that others would never see things the same way. I had = just hoped that Ingibjorg, her friend, would. There was silence among the men. They sensed my mood and it rubbed off = on them. I knew that I should cheer them up, that I should serve as = inspiration, but right now I just couldn't bring myself to think of = anything besides Asta. Eventually a man approached my, begging my = attention. "My lord Geirsteinson," he started. "We are crossing into Vithesford. = Our presence here might be seen as hostile by Clan Vithesford. Should we = continue?" I thought about it. Vithesford was where Jarl Ragnar Solmundson ruled, = the jarl my sister Oda had been betrothed to. I began to realize why my = family was fleeing in this direction; they hoped that the jarl would = protect them, now that they would be related. But his great hall lay far = beyond the mountains, and chances were that he would be there, not in = this isolated part of the domain. Still, I would be taking a chance by = bringing an armed force into Vithesford whether its jarl was here or = not. I would just have to hope that the fact that I was working on King = Hord's behalf would justify my presence. "We press on," I replied. The man nodded and signalled the advance. = Ingibjorg closed the distance between us, striding alongside me. "Bue," she said softly. "I hope you do not hold it against me that I = couldn't stay in Asta's presence. I know she is my sister of the shield, = but what she did..." My voice was colder than I wanted it to be, but I felt strongly about = this. "She was your friend, and you abandoned her to die. What would you = have me think of you?" She visibly cringed. "I...hold you in high regard. I'm sorry for not = living up to your expectations." Her words only served to build my anger. "You're sorry for not measuring = up to what you perceive me to be, yet you're not sorry for your friend? = What would you have me think of you?" Ingibjorg seemed to shrink under my words. "I just... It's just that... = I'm sorry, Bue. I'm really sorry." "Tell that to Asta," I replied, closing the matter between us in a way = that I knew was spiteful and would hurt her, yet was the only way I = could do it right now. Ingibjorg dropped back among the men, her head = hung low. I regretted having spoken so harshly to her, but she had acted = as less than a friend to Asta, and I could not readily forgive it. I brooded for the rest of the day and long into the night, as I now pen = my thoughts. This has been a day of heavy thoughts and of anger. Wrath = over the unfairness of life, fear for the life of a woman I have grown = to care deeply for, the pain of seeing friendship betrayed and a deep = sense of foreboding that I can't seem to shake. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 Jan 2003 to 3 Jan 2003 (#2003-4) ************************************************************