Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 26 Mar 2003 to 27 Mar 2003 (#2003-86) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 28/03/2003, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 408 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Sylvan Realm as M-Palestine? (3) 2. Mapping programs (4) 3. M-Switzerland? (4) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:31:18 +0100 From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: Sylvan Realm as M-Palestine? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Powers" > Some time back I was tossing around the similarities between the Shadow > Elves and the RW Old Testament Hebrews, and it occurs to me in reviewing > some of the material on the Yezchamenid Empire that Nimmur, the Enduks, > and Yezchamenid are quite close to where the Sylvan Realm would have > been. Given that the Alfheim Elves were led out of the Sylvan Realm in > an "Exodus" and have only sparse historical knowledge of their "lost > tribe" and that they still aspire to return to their "Sylvan Realm" or > "holy land" if you will, is it plausible to situate the Sylvan Realm as > a sort of M-Palestine? I didn't ever think to elves as hebrews... the two people are very different imho in history and customs... but it's true that there ia a link between elves and hebrews: Tolkien developed the elven language with bits of hebraic, too, among the others inspirations... Anyway the M-palestine (the promised land to reconquer/resettle) could be Alfheim now, more than the Sylvan Realm... > (Though I'm wondering whether the Thyatians will find a way to get over > to the Sylvan Realm and crucify an elven follower of Gareth! Now THAT > would be quite something!) ROTFL :-) Maybe not, but they could crucify a follower of Gareth in Minrothad maybe :-) or, better, in the Isle of Dawn... IMC I'm developing the church of Benekander/Gareth as a kind of first christianity anyway... (against other gods, against nobles and slavery, against war) bye Francesco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:09:41 +0000 From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: Mapping programs > Among the software I use everyday, Macromedia Freehand seemed to work best > for a personalized 8-mile hex map. > Illustrator works almost as well. I use Photoshop, wich is not vectorial and gives me some amount of work (enough to get me almost at stop right now). But the results (see html in signature below) are identical to that of the Gazs. I have the hexes templates for Photoshop (wich you can use in Ilustrator with almost no trouble). I can send them to anyone interested. Ricardo Matheus a.k.a. Darkblood Owner of the Mystara Map Navigator www.geocities.com\darkblood18 _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:35:18 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Mapping programs i would like to have the templates please. thanks Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault.sarlat@wanadoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Matheus" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mapping programs > >Among the software I use everyday, Macromedia Freehand seemed to work best > >for a personalized 8-mile hex map. > > >Illustrator works almost as well. > > > I use Photoshop, wich is not vectorial and gives me some amount of work > (enough to get me almost at stop right now). But the results (see html in > signature below) are identical to that of the Gazs. > > I have the hexes templates for Photoshop (wich you can use in Ilustrator > with almost no trouble). I can send them to anyone interested. > > > Ricardo Matheus > a.k.a. Darkblood > Owner of the Mystara Map Navigator > www.geocities.com\darkblood18 > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:16:52 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: Re: Mapping programs We should collaborate on this. If we created some official geographs of hill, forest, forested-hills hexes, etc. in both new and old style (Gaz maps, Glantri/Karameikos boxed set maps, etc.), then someone else could assemble the geographs them into one maps, even custom ones, or ones for different time periods. Later someone could even take those maps and create a mega map. >> From vector programs like Illustrator, one can then export into a variety of formats including JPEG, PNG, GIF, and PDF. However one of the most exciting formats is SVG. With this, one can zoom in and out of graphics at any resolution, as it's vector art... Imagine with the mega map, you can zoom into every region with smooth lines, etc., or zoom out to get a glimpse of the section of the world... - Joaquin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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If we created some > official geographs of hill, forest, forested-hills > hexes, etc. in both new and old style (Gaz maps, > Glantri/Karameikos boxed set maps, etc.), then someone > else could assemble the geographs them into one maps, > even custom ones, or ones for different time periods. > Later someone could even take those maps and create a > mega map. > > From vector programs like Illustrator, one can then > export into a variety of formats including JPEG, PNG, > GIF, and PDF. However one of the most exciting > formats is SVG. With this, one can zoom in and out of > graphics at any resolution, as it's vector art... > > Imagine with the mega map, you can zoom into every > region with smooth lines, etc., or zoom out to get a > glimpse of the section of the world... > > - Joaquin > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:47:36 -0800 From: Daniel Gioffre Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm as M-Palestine? Kevin, An interesting idea. Are you then positing Alfheim as the center of diaspora elvenkind? Kind of like a Mystaran NYC? :) -Dan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:48:54 -0500 From: Kevin Powers Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm as M-Palestine? Dan wrote: >> An interesting idea. Are you then positing Alfheim as the center of diaspora elvenkind? Kind of like a Mystaran NYC? :) -Dan >> I don't want to offend, so I will be as terse and simplistic in this as possible. GOD FORBID. My remarks were ENTIRELY directed toward what is found in the Bible, or other related records. In fact, there is probably no historical paradigm (with which I am at all familiar) for Alfheim. There was obviously no "Judea Really-North" over on the Greek or Italian peninsulas during EITHER the Roman, late-Byzantine, or Renaissance eras, so the existance of a kingdom occupying territory (nyuck, nyuck, nyuck) a few miles out of Genoa is without RW counterpart. Here's the other possibility: Treat the Kingdom Of Alfheim as a sort of M-Tibet strictly for the purposes of Elven theology as a geographical counterpart to RW-Buddhism. Alfheim and the rest of the surface elves would therefore be practicing M-Mahayana Buddhism, the latter form which was a product of contact with Islamic and Hindu clerics. The SE would therefore be practicing M-Hinayana Buddhism, the last vestige of the "real deal" as originally conceived. However, this doesn't work within the theology because the SE are so clearly the M-Old Testament Hebrews. Anyone who broke out laughing when he read the "Fourteen Verses Of The Refuge Of Stone" recognizes it. The other similarities are similarly scathing. The only question left is whether the Sylvan Realm should or should not therefore serve as the last remnant of M-Cannan. (A real stretch would be Alfheim itself as M-Uganda, but that's just ridiculous.) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:07:19 -0800 From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: M-Switzerland? Just checking, but is there a Mystaran culture (loosely) based on Switzerland yet? BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:22:23 -0500 From: Kevin Powers Subject: Re: M-Switzerland? Beau wrote: >> Just checking, but is there a Mystaran culture (loosely) based on Switzerland yet? >> Geographically, there are Glantrian Alps. There should be a principality in Glantri that fits the bill. While I haven't the time right now, I would suggest looking south or southeast of Nouvelle Averoigne, since Switzerland, if memory serves, borders on France? Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:51:34 -0500 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: M-Switzerland? What about the Kogolor Dwarves? Their garb, yodelling, and mountainous lifestyle all fit. Not sure about any surface nations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beau Yarbrough" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] M-Switzerland? > Just checking, but is there a Mystaran culture (loosely) based on > Switzerland yet? > > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:48:03 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: M-Switzerland? Kevin Powers wrote: >> Beau wrote: >> >> Just checking, but is there a Mystaran culture (loosely) based >> on Switzerland yet? > > Geographically, there are Glantrian Alps. There should be a > principality in Glantri that fits the bill. While I haven't the time > right now, I would suggest looking south or southeast of Nouvelle > Averoigne, since Switzerland, if memory serves, borders on France? IMO, the Kogolor dwarves are a good match for German-speaking Swiss regions and/or western Austria. OTOH, the Principalities of Glantri have the correct geography and linguistic mix (German, French and Italian->Aalbanese, Sylaire and Caurenzan). However, they also have tons of other culture which are unrelated to Switzerland--from Scottish to Romanian to Mongolian... -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 26 Mar 2003 to 27 Mar 2003 (#2003-86) ***************************************************************