Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 10 May 2004 to 11 May 2004 (#2004-101) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 12/05/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 5 messages totalling 188 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. RW Normans in Italy (2) 2. map differences around Slagovitch 3. Geography of the Great Waste 4. Geography of the Great Waste/Map differences around Slagovich ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:58:25 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: RW Normans in Italy Pat Taylor wrote: > all the notes on the D'Ambervilles have clicked a simular name from the > real > world-the de Hautville- they were a fmaily of normnl lords in southern > italy-had a major battle with the byzantines and lombards around 1050's. > has anyone done any work on a society based on this time frame in italy's > history or would it be tied to the french roots in glantri? Hi, the Hautville or Altavilla held the crown of Sicily (and some Duchies in southern Italy) after taking the power from their former employers, the Lombard princes. They were mostly mercenary captains (especially the first generations, from Tancredi to his sons Guglielmo Braccio di Ferro, Roberto il Guiscardo and Ruggero, but also some of the later Altavilla, like Boemondo, who was involved in the Crusades), and they lived in a timeframe different from the Ambreville, so it is difficult to tie them together. As for societies based on Italy around that time, I don't remember anything on the topic, though one could probably see opportunities for Mystaran Northmen to establish kingdoms after the WotI in Alphatia or Thyatis. Bye, -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 03:51:54 -0700 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: map differences around Slagovitch hello everyone Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of the slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river to the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in Kladanovic. In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, there are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. to your mind, which one shall we pick as "genuine". I am above all interested in having a good map of the Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. thib ===== Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:24:28 +0200 From: Bertrand Lhoyez Subject: Re: Geography of the Great Waste Tyjaret is a town built by Sind settlers, and Kladanovic is builded by slagocivh merchants. This is written somewhere in cannonic materials from TSR at the end of a small paragraph (probably CoM or perhaps Red Steel). I'd like to have infos on Angorit south of Tyjaret) , cause i can't find it anywhere, unless on coM map ... Arghis Thibault Sarlat writes: > hello everyone > > some questions for you interested in the Great waste. > I want to know what are the population of the two > towns of Tijaret nd Kladanovic... > thanks > > thib > > ===== > Thibault SARLAT > a.k.a Clenarius > www.mystara.fr.st > ICQ 16622177 > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:35:01 -0400 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: RW Normans in Italy Agathokles wrote: > As for societies based on Italy around that time, I don't remember > anything on the topic, though one could probably see opportunities for > Mystaran Northmen to establish kingdoms after the WotI in Alphatia or > Thyatis. I pursued an idea like that a while back, when I wrote my alternative post-WotI timeline for Alphatia. In it, I had some clans from Ostland make their way to the western coast of Alphatia (which was in the throes of civil war), and carve out dominions for themselves along the shores (taking over many of the coastal Frislander towns in the process). Many of these fiefdoms comprised the occupied town and village, and possibly a few square miles around it (maybe 7-10 8-mile hexes on a map). Given how many clans there might be in the Northern Reaches, and the rivalries that take place there, I could see many clans might be tempted to find new homes. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:41:38 -0300 From: Asgor Ironfist Subject: Re: Geography of the Great Waste/Map differences around Slagovich Hi everyone. After a while, I'm back ^^ I believe that both the population of Tijaret and Kladanovic have the same traladaran/tanagoro (from Yavdlom)/oltec background. Bukovosko and Narvich (from the Red Steel map) seens to have the same background. The maps from CoM and RS have indeed a lot of differences. The Great Waste simply aren't there in the RS map, there a lot of forets and mountains replacing it and between Kladanovic e Tijaret. Because of that, I believe that the CoM map is the right one. But in my Red Steel campaing, the RS map is the right one, except that the Great Waste is where it should be. (By the way, i'll send the text about Baronato de Portos and the narvaezan missiones de Nombre de Ixión as soon as i finish it) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 10 May 2004 to 11 May 2004 (#2004-101) ****************************************************************