Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 11 May 2004 to 12 May 2004 (#2004-102) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 13/05/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 932 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. RW Normans in Italy 2. map differences around Slagovitch (7) 3. RW Holland/Netherlands (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:07:32 +0200 From: Morten Greis Subject: Re: RW Normans in Italy Citat Geoff Gander: > Agathokles wrote: > > >As for societies based on Italy around that time, I don't remember > >anything on the topic, though one could probably see opportunities for > >Mystaran Northmen to establish kingdoms after the WotI in Alphatia or > >Thyatis. > > I pursued an idea like that a while back, when I wrote my alternative > post-WotI timeline for Alphatia. In it, I had some clans from Ostland > make their way to the western coast of Alphatia (which was in the throes > of civil war), and carve out dominions for themselves along the shores > (taking over many of the coastal Frislander towns in the process). I thought that the Mystaram Northmen already had settled in Grand Duchy of Westrourke around Finegar's Watch and in the northern end of Fengallen Marsh, as the placenames are of a Nordic type: Hognerud's Keep, Guddar, Tromsheim, Nordvik, Finnegar and Ytre Ystrebo (meaning Outer Eastsettlement, though I would prefer naming it Ydre Østerbo). However to stick with the Normans in Italy idea, some of these Northmen, let's call them Northlanders, would be hired as mercenaries, perhaps by the lord of Helskir risking that the Northlanders might take control of Helskir or that they might carve out dominions in Dunadale (which could be superb for the lord of Helskir, as they would function as a bufferzone). The reputation of the Northlander mercenaries might spread, so that Thyatian generals in the Hinterlands might request their skills and they therefore end up settling in the Hinterlands (thereby getting the strange result of RW Normans ruling RW celts in Jungles). Another alternative might by a Alphatian commander bringing Northlanders further east to the Jennite areas ... Just a few ideas. For now, Morten Greis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:11:38 +0200 From: Bertrand Lhoyez Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch Well, i won't say big differences. Yes there are the forest or the river or some other terrain variation, but nothing dramatic. the landscape is more or less the same. If i had to pick one as genuine, i'll take the CoM map, because Red steel map are less precise, and in another style (no hex, ...) I'll take into account that you want a 8 hex mile map for Kladanovic, and we'll see if i have time to devote to this. Arghis Thibault Sarlat writes: > hello everyone > > Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of the > slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river to > the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in > Kladanovic. > > In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, there > are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are > present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. > > to your mind, which one shall we pick as "genuine". > I am above all interested in having a good map of the > Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. > > thib > > ===== > Thibault SARLAT > a.k.a Clenarius > www.mystara.fr.st > ICQ 16622177 > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:44:21 -0700 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch my only problem was with rivers... in the CoM, there is only one, and in RS there are two... i also tand to take the dragon maps and CoM maps as the good ones. I just wondered at the multiple rivers (in a rather dry countryside). but thanks --- Bertrand Lhoyez wrote: > Well, i won't say big differences. Yes there are the > forest or the river or > some other terrain variation, but nothing dramatic. > the landscape is more or > less the same. > > If i had to pick one as genuine, i'll take the CoM > map, because Red steel > map are less precise, and in another style (no hex, > ...) > > I'll take into account that you want a 8 hex mile > map for Kladanovic, and > we'll see if i have time to devote to this. > > Arghis > > > > Thibault Sarlat writes: > > > hello everyone > > > > Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of > the > > slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river > to > > the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in > > Kladanovic. > > > > In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, > there > > are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are > > present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. > > > > to your mind, which one shall we pick as > "genuine". > > I am above all interested in having a good map of > the > > Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. > > > > thib > > > > ===== > > Thibault SARLAT > > a.k.a Clenarius > > www.mystara.fr.st > > ICQ 16622177 > > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ===== Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:42:01 +0200 From: Bertrand Lhoyez Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch In fact the countryside around Kladanovic is Savannah. i don't remember where it ends (on the north side), but we can easily admit it runs along the sea side. the river then is just a limit between savannah and sind desert / great waste Arghis Thibault Sarlat writes: > my only problem was with rivers... > in the CoM, there is only one, and in RS there are > two... > > i also tand to take the dragon maps and CoM maps as > the good ones. I just wondered at the multiple rivers > (in a rather dry countryside). > > but thanks > > --- Bertrand Lhoyez > wrote: >> Well, i won't say big differences. Yes there are the >> forest or the river or >> some other terrain variation, but nothing dramatic. >> the landscape is more or >> less the same. >> >> If i had to pick one as genuine, i'll take the CoM >> map, because Red steel >> map are less precise, and in another style (no hex, >> ...) >> >> I'll take into account that you want a 8 hex mile >> map for Kladanovic, and >> we'll see if i have time to devote to this. >> >> Arghis >> >> >> >> Thibault Sarlat writes: >> >> > hello everyone >> > >> > Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of >> the >> > slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river >> to >> > the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in >> > Kladanovic. >> > >> > In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, >> there >> > are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are >> > present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. >> > >> > to your mind, which one shall we pick as >> "genuine". >> > I am above all interested in having a good map of >> the >> > Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. >> > >> > thib >> > >> > ===== >> > Thibault SARLAT >> > a.k.a Clenarius >> > www.mystara.fr.st >> > ICQ 16622177 >> > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >> > >> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover >> > >> > >> > ******************************************************************** >> > The Other Worlds Homepage: >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> > The Mystara Homepage: >> http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >> > To unsubscribe, send email to >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> > >> >> > ******************************************************************** >> The Other Worlds Homepage: >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >> To unsubscribe, send email to >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> > > > ===== > Thibault SARLAT > a.k.a Clenarius > www.mystara.fr.st > ICQ 16622177 > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' > http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:54:50 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch How about during the monsoon season, there is a new river? Cartographers not being there during every season would draw what was there during their visit. The added trees from the differing maps could also be the by-product of the rainy season. ============================================================ From: Bertrand Lhoyez Date: 2004/05/12 Wed PM 12:42:01 EDT To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] map differences around Slagovitch In fact the countryside around Kladanovic is Savannah. i don't remember where it ends (on the north side), but we can easily admit it runs along the sea side. the river then is just a limit between savannah and sind desert / great waste Arghis Thibault Sarlat writes: > my only problem was with rivers... > in the CoM, there is only one, and in RS there are > two... > > i also tand to take the dragon maps and CoM maps as > the good ones. I just wondered at the multiple rivers > (in a rather dry countryside). > > but thanks > > --- Bertrand Lhoyez > wrote: >> Well, i won't say big differences. Yes there are the >> forest or the river or >> some other terrain variation, but nothing dramatic. >> the landscape is more or >> less the same. >> >> If i had to pick one as genuine, i'll take the CoM >> map, because Red steel >> map are less precise, and in another style (no hex, >> ...) >> >> I'll take into account that you want a 8 hex mile >> map for Kladanovic, and >> we'll see if i have time to devote to this. >> >> Arghis >> >> >> >> Thibault Sarlat writes: >> >> > hello everyone >> > >> > Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of >> the >> > slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river >> to >> > the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in >> > Kladanovic. >> > >> > In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, >> there >> > are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are >> > present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. >> > >> > to your mind, which one shall we pick as >> "genuine". >> > I am above all interested in having a good map of >> the >> > Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. >> > >> > thib >> > >> > ===== >> > Thibault SARLAT >> > a.k.a Clenarius >> > www.mystara.fr.st >> > ICQ 16622177 >> > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' > http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ============================================================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:56:13 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch Or the river is runoff from late spring melts in the mountains. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:05:12 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch Good idea. Also, there are certainly more rivers & streams than are shown on 8-mile hex maps. In many areas it is difficult to go a few miles w/o crossing a small waterway, pond, etc. Perhaps one cartographer considered the river major enough to be included, and another did not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cherrington" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] map differences around Slagovitch > How about during the monsoon season, there is a new river? Cartographers not being there during every season would draw what was there during their visit. The added trees from the differing maps could also be the by-product of the rainy season. > ============================================================ > From: Bertrand Lhoyez > Date: 2004/05/12 Wed PM 12:42:01 EDT > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] map differences around Slagovitch > > In fact the countryside around Kladanovic is Savannah. i don't remember > where it ends (on the north side), but we can easily admit it runs along the > sea side. the river then is just a limit between savannah and sind desert / > great waste > > Arghis > > Thibault Sarlat writes: > > > my only problem was with rivers... > > in the CoM, there is only one, and in RS there are > > two... > > > > i also tand to take the dragon maps and CoM maps as > > the good ones. I just wondered at the multiple rivers > > (in a rather dry countryside). > > > > but thanks > > > > --- Bertrand Lhoyez > > wrote: > >> Well, i won't say big differences. Yes there are the > >> forest or the river or > >> some other terrain variation, but nothing dramatic. > >> the landscape is more or > >> less the same. > >> > >> If i had to pick one as genuine, i'll take the CoM > >> map, because Red steel > >> map are less precise, and in another style (no hex, > >> ...) > >> > >> I'll take into account that you want a 8 hex mile > >> map for Kladanovic, and > >> we'll see if i have time to devote to this. > >> > >> Arghis > >> > >> > >> > >> Thibault Sarlat writes: > >> > >> > hello everyone > >> > > >> > Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of > >> the > >> > slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river > >> to > >> > the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in > >> > Kladanovic. > >> > > >> > In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, > >> there > >> > are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are > >> > present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. > >> > > >> > to your mind, which one shall we pick as > >> "genuine". > >> > I am above all interested in having a good map of > >> the > >> > Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. > >> > > >> > thib > >> > > >> > ===== > >> > Thibault SARLAT > >> > a.k.a Clenarius > >> > www.mystara.fr.st > >> > ICQ 16622177 > >> > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > >> > > >> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > >> > > >> > > >> > > ******************************************************************** > >> > The Other Worlds Homepage: > >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >> > The Mystara Homepage: > >> http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >> > To unsubscribe, send email to > >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >> > > >> > >> > > ******************************************************************** > >> The Other Worlds Homepage: > >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >> The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >> To unsubscribe, send email to > >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >> > > > > > > ===== > > Thibault SARLAT > > a.k.a Clenarius > > www.mystara.fr.st > > ICQ 16622177 > > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' > > http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ============================================================ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:11:13 -0300 From: Asgor Ironfist Subject: Re: map differences around Slagovitch It's quite hard to try to combine the maps, because there is a lot of differences, even considering just the rivers. The course of the "kladanovic" river in the CoM map don't coincides with the same river in the RS map. In fact, the course of the "bukovosko-narvich" river coincides best with the "kladanovic" river from CoM map. It's difficult to conciliate the geografic features of these maps (like these river, Sandros Valley, Mt. Hupluk). But it's easier to guess where, for example, the villages of Bukovosko and Narvich are in the CoM map (Narvich seens to be along the "Kladanovic river", Bukovosko would be somewhere next to the Twin Oases. Tower of Brugzol (hobgoblin) would be in the savannah that surrounds the Great Waste or on the hills close to the Black Mountains). By the way, Tijaret does not appears in the RS map, just Kladanovic > From: Dan Eustace > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] map differences around Slagovitch > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:05:12 -0400 > > Good idea. Also, there are certainly more rivers & streams than are shown > on 8-mile hex maps. In many areas it is difficult to go a few miles w/o > crossing a small waterway, pond, etc. Perhaps one cartographer considered > the river major enough to be included, and another did not. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Cherrington" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] map differences around Slagovitch > > > > How about during the monsoon season, there is a new river? > Cartographers > not being there during every season would draw what was there during their > visit. The added trees from the differing maps could also be the > by-product > of the rainy season. > > ============================================================ > > From: Bertrand Lhoyez > > Date: 2004/05/12 Wed PM 12:42:01 EDT > > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] map differences around Slagovitch > > > > In fact the countryside around Kladanovic is Savannah. i don't remember > > where it ends (on the north side), but we can easily admit it runs along > the > > sea side. the river then is just a limit between savannah and sind > desert > / > > great waste > > > > Arghis > > > > Thibault Sarlat writes: > > > > > my only problem was with rivers... > > > in the CoM, there is only one, and in RS there are > > > two... > > > > > > i also tand to take the dragon maps and CoM maps as > > > the good ones. I just wondered at the multiple rivers > > > (in a rather dry countryside). > > > > > > but thanks > > > > > > --- Bertrand Lhoyez > > > wrote: > > >> Well, i won't say big differences. Yes there are the > > >> forest or the river or > > >> some other terrain variation, but nothing dramatic. > > >> the landscape is more or > > >> less the same. > > >> > > >> If i had to pick one as genuine, i'll take the CoM > > >> map, because Red steel > > >> map are less precise, and in another style (no hex, > > >> ...) > > >> > > >> I'll take into account that you want a 8 hex mile > > >> map for Kladanovic, and > > >> we'll see if i have time to devote to this. > > >> > > >> Arghis > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Thibault Sarlat writes: > > >> > > >> > hello everyone > > >> > > > >> > Ive noted a big difference between the CoM map of > > >> the > > >> > slagovitch surroundings, particurlarly the river > > >> to > > >> > the south which goes into the gulf of Hule in > > >> > Kladanovic. > > >> > > > >> > In the Red Steel and Savage Baronies boxed sets, > > >> there > > >> > are 2 or three rivers there. and some forests are > > >> > present between Tijaret and Kladanovic. > > >> > > > >> > to your mind, which one shall we pick as > > >> "genuine". > > >> > I am above all interested in having a good map of > > >> the > > >> > Kladanovic region in 8 miles per hex. > > >> > > > >> > thib > > >> > > > >> > ===== > > >> > Thibault SARLAT > > >> > a.k.a Clenarius > > >> > www.mystara.fr.st > > >> > ICQ 16622177 > > >> > MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > __________________________________ > > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > > >> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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Yes, the Glantrian Principality of Linden, inhabited by the Flaem people. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 11 May 2004 to 12 May 2004 (#2004-102) ****************************************************************