Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 18 May 2004 to 19 May 2004 (#2004-109) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 20/05/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 431 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Name alterations (9) 2. Other Mystara sites 3. Mystara Maps ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:55:07 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Name alterations --- Havard Faanes ha scritto: > IMC, I have found that I have had to change some of > the names of locations and individuals of Mystara. > There are various reasons for this, but it most case > it is because my players have certain associations > with the names that are best avoided. Has anyone > else > done anything similar? > Redstone = Saxa Rubra, making it more latin I have a lot of places whose names I would like to change, but I haven't got around to them yet, like Greenheight and all english-sounding names. Same goes with names...but I'll send a thought about that later. Giulio ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Companion - Scarica gratis la toolbar di Ricerca di Yahoo! http://companion.yahoo.it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:56:57 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Name alterations Havard Faanes wrote: > IMC, I have found that I have had to change some of > the names of locations and individuals of Mystara. > There are various reasons for this, but it most case > it is because my players have certain associations > with the names that are best avoided. Has anyone else > done anything similar? Sometimes. > Tromso = Trondsmo -Because it is a place in Norway, > and because it indicates it being an island, which it > is not. Reasonable. > Sunnsvall = Ixwall (Wall of Ixion) - Because it is a > place in Sweden. Well, the problem is more with the name being not so Alphatian as it should. Other than that, I see no problem with names that come from the RW, as long as they are not to prominent (i.e., I wouldn't have a Paris or London). Of course, the concept of prominence may well vary from place to place: for me, "Kirkuk" and "Ctesiphon" sound more familiar than "Hardanger", but that's just because I'm not Norwegian :) > Alfheim = Canolbarth; making it more elvish I use Tolkien Elvish and create/find equivalent names: Alfheim -> Eldamar Alfheim is just a human translation (most likely, Antalian). > Rockhome =Dengaria, making it more dwarven. Same here, I'd consider Rockhome a human translation of an original dwarven name. > Rhoona = Runargard -Making it more Norse > Duke of Rhoona = Jarl of Runargard - Ditto Ok, but consider that the Duke is a supporter of the modernization of Vestland, so he uses the title of Duke rather than a "native" title. > Odin = Wotan - All Immortals should have more native > names. I prefer to keep the RW names here. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:38:26 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Name alterations la Volpe wrote: > >> the names of locations and individuals of Mystara. >> There are various reasons for this, but it most case >> it is because my players have certain associations >> with the names that are best avoided. Has anyone >> else done anything similar? > > Redstone = Saxa Rubra, making it more latin Well, in this case we have the opposite effect, since Saxa Rubra is a RW place (Italian national TV studios) :) -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:40:36 +0200 From: Matteo Barnabe' Subject: Re: Name alterations > IMC, I have found that I have had to change some of > the names of locations and individuals of Mystara. > There are various reasons for this, but it most case > it is because my players have certain associations > with the names that are best avoided. Has anyone else > done anything similar? In my campaign I changed ''Yavdlom'' in ''Yavlom'' because I think it sounds more euphonic in Italian. Adjective is Yavi (official) or Yavlomite (despising). I believe that also ''Thothia'' should be changed because it is a nightmare to pronounce for some of my players, but I'm still looking for a good alternative. Heldannic Knights use the term ''Kriegsvogel'' instead of ''Warbird'' (I do not speak German, and so Kriegsvogel is probably a poor translation, however it sounds very Hattian to my ears) ''Greatrealm'' is called Kral B=FCy=FCk in Hulean (it should mean more or less Great/Exalted King in Turkish, but since I don't speak Turkish I was interested only in the sound) Another interesting issue is the Alphatian name of the Isle of Dawn (the isle is located _west_ of Alphatia, so perhaps Isle of Dusk / Isle of Twilight is reasonable, but I would prefer a really Alphatian name). btw, sometimes name alterations are created by the PCs themselves: in an old campaign, I remember a PC cleric of Halav, very scornful of the followers of Vanya, who coined for them the term ''Vanatics''. Matteo __________________________________________________________________ Tiscali ADSL libera la velocita'! 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If I remember the Rockhome GAZ correctly, Rockhome is known as Dengar in dwarvish (like the people and the language). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:08:48 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Name alterations --- Eyal Fleminger > If I remember the Rockhome GAZ correctly, Rockhome > is known as Dengar in > dwarvish (like the people and the language). I went with Dengaria rather than Dengar since I wanted to separate the name of the Capital from the name of the country. It is kind of annoying that so many KW countries have the same name as their capitals, even though this is the case in *some* RW countries aswell... Havard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:13:37 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Name alterations --- Giampaolo Agosta skrev: > Havard Faanes wrote: > Well, the problem is more with the name being not so > Alphatian as it should. > Other than that, I see no problem with names that > come from the RW, as long as they are not to > prominent (i.e., I wouldn't have a Paris or London). > Of course, the concept of prominence may well vary > from place to place: for me, "Kirkuk" and > "Ctesiphon" sound more familiar than "Hardanger", > but that's just because I'm not Norwegian :) Yup ;) I had to change many of the names due to the nature of my gaming group rather than of universal reasons. Kirkuk is another one that has been bugging me since I first heard of it during the first Gulf War. I never ran a campaign in Ylaruam though, so I havent gotten around to changing that one yet. > > Alfheim = Canolbarth; making it more elvish > > I use Tolkien Elvish and create/find equivalent > names: Alfheim -> Eldamar > Alfheim is just a human translation (most likely, > Antalian). Eldamar is awsome! Consider it stolen ;) Alfheim being an Antalian translation is a good call... > > Rhoona = Runargard -Making it more Norse > > Duke of Rhoona = Jarl of Runargard - Ditto > > Ok, but consider that the Duke is a supporter of the > modernization of Vestland, so he uses the title of > Duke rather than a "native" title. Yeah, I know about that part, but I decided I wanted to keep the names more antalian, even though the "Duke" remains a modernizer IMC aswell. Havard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:38:07 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Name alterations Havard Faanes wrote: > > Kirkuk is another one that has been bugging me since I > first heard of it during the first Gulf War. I considered changing it, but then decided to keep it (just as Ctesiphon). > I never > ran a campaign in Ylaruam though, so I havent gotten > around to changing that one yet. More or less the reason why I didn't bother with Sundsvall: not likely to be playing in Alphatia soon. >>> Alfheim = Canolbarth; making it more elvish >> >> I use Tolkien Elvish and create/find equivalent >> names: Alfheim -> Eldamar > > Eldamar is awsome! Consider it stolen ;) That one comes straight from Tolkien, and since it means "elven home"... >>> Rhoona > Yeah, I know about that part, but I decided I wanted > to keep the names more antalian, even though the > "Duke" remains a modernizer IMC aswell. Ok. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:51:50 -0700 From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: Other Mystara sites From: Giampaolo Agosta > On the good side, it's quite a pythonic solution. Yes, it's written in Python. But the good thing about Plone is that you don't need to know Python to use it (even to set it up). > On the bad, this requires a server (as opposed to just some webspace). This is not a problem since the webspace used by the VoP (and the MA) is actually given us by Gordon McCormick, who shares with friends of his the cost of the server. He is an admin of his server. See, thanks to him, we don't have just some webspace. Now this opens up some possibilities, doesn't it? ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:26:46 EDT From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Mystara Maps I am working on a little something. I dis a GIS and found a few maps of Karameikos...Sulescu region. None of these maps are perfect for what I want. I was wondering if anyone had a more updated map of southwestern Karameikos, perhaps one scaled in 12 mile hexes. I am also looking for maps on Bellissaria (sp?), in particular the southern portions, upgraded since the Kingdom of Surshield was partitioned into the three kingdoms for the Almanac. I am the one that partitioned Surshield and even did a map. However, it is a low detail map and was mainly done for the explaination of the new kingdom borders. Looking for a map of the 12 mile hex range. I know I am reaching for this one, but anyone have any detailed maps for Thyatis City beyond what is given in DotE? Howabout example maps for villages...preferably with populations given. Trying to keep the village size proportional to the given population. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:47:12 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Name alterations > > > Rockhome =Dengaria, making it more dwarven. > > Same here, I'd consider Rockhome a human translation > of an original dwarven name. Well, Canon says explicitly that the dwarves call their land Dengar, that in human means "Rockhome". Thus the land is known as Rockhome among humans. Giulio ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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