Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 May 2004 to 24 May 2004 (#2004-114) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 25/05/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 15 messages totalling 784 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Rage of the Rakasta / Escape from Thunder Rift question (2) 2. Rage of the Rakasta / Escape from Thunder Rift question (2) 3. Caves of Chaos (4) 4. Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) (4) 5. Races of Thunder Rift (2) 6. Ottermen (was: Dragon's Den) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 07:08:32 -0700 From: Aaron Harper Subject: Re: Rage of the Rakasta / Escape from Thunder Rift question Just filling a few holes... well perhaps just possible explanations for existing holes... Oh, and if I don't post it, credit goes to whom it's due. But these are the facts I'm working with, along with a complete (and intentional for this post) lack of knowledge of Mystaran history... but this is just to play devils advocate. P1) Mostly, I was just concerned that there were too many "portals" linking the planetary rakasta with their moonbound cousins. In any case, the point is that the portals aren't canon, but something I made up. (Of course, if people still want to use them, that's really cool too! ;P) P2) Rakasta: These guys arrived only a few years ago and only have a minor presence. As discussed elsewhere, they are assumed to be from Myoshima. They have recently settled on the Vailing Plateau on in the Gauntlin forest. The means by which they reached TR could be linked with the same dimensional magicks that seem prevalent in the region (the portal to Bywater, the wizard workings that brought the Phantom Ship into TR, etc.) Now, as to why they left Myoshima...? They seem content to settle in by themselves, and not expand, whereas the image I've always had of imperial Myoshima is one of aggressive expansion/war. Perhaps they were a group of rakasta who weren't on the same political mindset as the Myoshiman emperor, and thus war was declared on them/they were made unwelcome, and thus fled Myoshima and ended up in TR. P3) Rakasta are from Ashai, but no Rakasta will divulge where that place is. They were chased from their homeland by a dragon. They traveled for years settling in many different places before settling in TR. -------------------------------------------------------- Since we're contemplating on information that may or may not be "canon" (and I'm just piecing together an explanation) how about this. Since P1 (portals) and P2 (how Rakaasta arrived) are both unknown, is it possible that the Magicks that were being tested and played with in the Wizardspire (the ones that may have brought Henrik van Decken's ghost ship) may have also brought the Rakaasta and even the Plague to the area. Further, could it be possible that the Monolith that keeps the valley partially hidden and keeps the occupants of the valley pacified so they do not concern themselves with the outside world also affect the Rakaasta. My basic knowlege of rl physics, when an object leaves a space, something else must take the place of the original object, equalling in size and mass. Thus, every time you portal something out, something might be sucked back in at a different place nearby... or perhaps the garden hose effect... when something goes out on one side, something must come in on the other. Assume this, (P3) the Rakaasta are from Ashai and will not divulge where Ashai is, or rather, how to get to Ashai. This is because they were brought here without their knowledge and/or consent, through the errant power of the portals. Instead of trying to find their way out (being that the monolith -should- prevent this) they simply settle nearby. Thus, they do not know where Ashai is from where they are. ------------------------------------------ I'm piecing things together, but this just makes sense to me. Aaron --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:33:34 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Rage of the Rakasta / Escape from Thunder Rift question Aaron Harper wrote: > Since P1 (portals) and P2 (how Rakaasta arrived) are both unknown, is it possible that >the Magicks that were being tested and played with in the Wizardspire (the ones that >may have brought Henrik van Decken's ghost ship) may have also brought the Rakaasta >and even the Plague to the area. This would be a good idea, I agree- sort of an Occam's Razor effect- in this case, keeping events linked by the simplest explanation. The only problem is the time periods involved. The plague precedes the Wizards of Wizardspire, so it is unlikely to be connected to them. Similarly, the rakasta are referred to (from what Havard and others have said- I don't own RoR) as being recent transplants, whereas the Phantom Ship is definitely brought by the wizards- but the wizards are long gone by the time the rakasta arrive. Which isn't to say that they couldn't be related- indeed, I think the means by which both ship and rakasta arrived are probably related, just not directly. > Further, could it be possible that the Monolith that keeps the valley partially hidden and >keeps the occupants of the valley pacified so they do not concern themselves with the >outside world also affect the Rakaasta. That's a good idea. I hadn't thought about that. If the monolith is affecting their memories of Ashai, given the notorious rakasta pride, they likely wouldn't want to share that fact with outsiders. > My basic knowlege of rl physics, when an object leaves a space, something else must >take the place of the original object, equalling in size and mass. Thus, every time you >portal something out, something might be sucked back in at a different place nearby... >or perhaps the garden hose effect... when something goes out on one side, something >must come in on the other. Interesting point. Perhaps the wizards of Wizardspire were getting rid of something when they inadvertently brought the Phantom Ship through? Something that the warriors of the valley wanted, maybe? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:19:35 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Rage of the Rakasta / Escape from Thunder Rift question I still need to read more of RoR, but the main plotline is based upon their leader wanting to conquer all of TR for themselves. This is not her typical behavior, and some Rakasta believe something else is afoot. Not to mention the Rakasta being based on RW Japanese and they have a female leader. So one way of looking at their reason for their leaving Ashai was not a Dragon, but maybe a war called the Dragon or the Dragon's Breath. Where the more aggressive and imperialistic Rakasta drove out the less aggressive. This sounds better than creating a very long timeline of these Rakasta moving about settling different areas before they come across TR. Possibly the monoliths on Myoshima and TR are so related that when they gated, the spell was warped or bent, much like light rays creating the invisibility affect of the Myoshima monolith, thus bringing these Rakasta close to TR. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:31:21 -0400 From: Paul Westermeyer Subject: Caves of Chaos I haven't actually run a game in Mystara since the early 1980s when it wasn't Mystara, just the world included with X2 Isle of Dread, the Grand Duchy of Karameikos was described in the 'Expert' rule book. But I've always enjoyed the setting, and followed it while my PCs ran through Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms. I have a question, B2 Caves of Chaos, can anyone tell me where on Mystara that was set? Or where they set it? I usually placed it in Karameikos. -- "...How shall a man judge what to do in such times?!" "As he has ever judged," said Aragorn "Good and evil have not changed since yesteryear..." J.R.R. Tolkien, _The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers_ Paul Westermeyer, pwestermeyer@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:32:23 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) --- Andrew Theisen skrev: > Havard Faanes wrote: > I think (though I'm not sure) that the Otter-men are > actually the Mugumba, who turn up on the Serpent > Peninsula in Champions of Mystara. I'm not sure > (after all, the Mugumba are beaver men, not otter > men), but I thought someone else mentioned that > once. Hmmmm...I'm pretty sure one of these modules had otter-men in them aswell, though it doesn't look like it was in Dragons Den. Can't remember where I saw them though. Grrrr. Havard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:55:30 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) You know I have been looking through those modules, even the TR ones, and not a single mention of Ottermen. I do remember seeing a picture of an Otterman with boots, belt and a crossbow before. I laughed at the picture, it seemed more like "Puss in Boots" than an actual race. I love otters though, very playful, I would imagine them being like kids on kiddie-crack (sugar and soda). ============================================================ From: Havard Faanes Date: 2004/05/24 Mon PM 02:32:23 EDT To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) --- Andrew Theisen skrev: > Havard Faanes wrote: > I think (though I'm not sure) that the Otter-men are > actually the Mugumba, who turn up on the Serpent > Peninsula in Champions of Mystara. I'm not sure > (after all, the Mugumba are beaver men, not otter > men), but I thought someone else mentioned that > once. Hmmmm...I'm pretty sure one of these modules had otter-men in them aswell, though it doesn't look like it was in Dragons Den. Can't remember where I saw them though. Grrrr. Havard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ============================================================ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:13:31 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Races of Thunder Rift --- Andrew Theisen wrote: > >* Humans: > See my timeline for more, but I think we can assume > that. (Still have to read a bit more about the > Daros, though. :) Hmmmm, can any of the MML etnology experts help out here? > >* Dwarves > "Far"= (noun) wrecker, ruiner > "Or"= (noun) gravel > "Las"= unknown Neat-o! > Let's say their name was Far-Or-Las; depending on > what "las" means, it sounds like the Farolas were > quarry workers ("wreck gravel"). Miners, then. Maybe > a minor family of the Syrklist clan. Done. :) > Now, TR says that Farolas was the name of the dwarf > who first set foot in TR, not the clan, but I > suppose we could interpret that differently. In any > case, I set some theories on their origins in my > response to your timeline thread also. Well, perhaps his name was Tharic Farolas for instance, meaning "Of the Farolas clan"? > >* Elves: I am sort of assuming that these hail from > >Alfheim, could they be linked to any of the major > >clans from that country? > > Good question. I think maybe we should try to link > them through Elladin Silvercrest (from Quest for the > Silver Sword). His family is mentioned as having the > "frozen sword" (the silver sword?) for centuries. > Perhaps their Silver Sword is somehow related to the > silver swords used by the Silver Warriors > (bodyguards of the Faedorne) of the Shining Isles? Hmmm...I havent thought about the Faedorne in a long time. I like that connection. I dont think that Elladin's sword should be a mere longsword +1 like most of their warriors use, but perhaps a gift from a Faedorne lover? Actually, that gave me an idea about the Rakasta aswell. (see below) > >* Halflings: > See my response to your timeline for more, but I > think we should link them to the Clanstrife period > in Shaerdon. Yup. All good. > >* Rakasta: > The means by which they reached TR could be linked > with the same dimensional magicks that seem > prevalent in the region (the portal to Bywater, the > wizard workings that brought the Phantom Ship into > TR, etc.) Well, what if they didn't arrive through a gate? The module says that they have travelled a long way and stayed in many different places. What if they travelled from the moon to the shining isles and stayed there for some time? The Creature Catalogue says that the Faedorne invite neutral creatures to their Isles. Perhaps, the Ashai Rakasta, fleeing the dragon were saved by Faedorne, perhaps even the Faedorne who was once Elladin Silvercrest's lover, and that the Rakasta learned of Thunder Rift through her? > Now, as to why they left Myoshima...? They seem > content to settle in by themselves, and not expand, > whereas the image I've always had of imperial > Myoshima is one of aggressive expansion/war. Perhaps > they were a group of rakasta who weren't on the same > political mindset as the Myoshiman emperor, and thus > war was declared on them/they were made unwelcome, > and thus fled Myoshima and ended up in TR. Sounds good. > >* Gnolls: > I don't know about the Bugbears- BBs and Gnolls in > Mystara don't seem to get along all that well. The BBs could have arrived at an earlier point with the goblins aswell. > >* Ogres: Ogres are found in the Grakken woods, but > do > >not leave the forest. > > Yeah, what's up with those ogres? And the Grakken > woods always seem to me to be crying out for a > Gakarak guardian. I dont know the deal with the Ogres either. One of the things I do like about TR is that it manages to create a sense of mystery. Hmmm..perhaps the Ogres are under some sort of spell, and that if they leave the forest they will be polymorphed into humans? Or have I been watching Shrek too many times? In any case the story of the ogres is probably connected to the Unicorn Druid who controls the Brichtwood. It seems that he has separated the Grakken wood from the Brichtwood intentionally. Perhaps there is a Gakarak guardian in Grakken (I was thinking the same thing), who is also an evil druid and an archrival of Seamus ythe Unicorn? > >Hmm...did I miss anything? > > I think you pretty well covered it. IIRC, there are > definitely hobgoblins working for the Black Knight > (Sword and Shield), so your assumption about them in > the TR are pretty spot on. Sounds good. I guess the Black Knight must have gotten them from the Burning hills. Perhaps he was working with Raven at one point? Havard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:25:38 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) Hmmm...I wonder if I may just have dreamed up the whole thing. Weird. :( I like your envisioning of the otter-men though :) Havard --- Chris Cherrington skrev: > You know I have been looking through those modules, > even the TR ones, and not a single mention of > Ottermen. I do remember seeing a picture of an > Otterman with boots, belt and a crossbow before. I > laughed at the picture, it seemed more like "Puss in > Boots" than an actual race. I love otters though, > very playful, I would imagine them being like kids > on kiddie-crack (sugar and soda). > ============================================================ > From: Havard Faanes > Date: 2004/05/24 Mon PM 02:32:23 EDT > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dragon's Den (was: Map of > Thunder Rift?) > > --- Andrew Theisen skrev: > > Havard > Faanes wrote: > > > I think (though I'm not sure) that the Otter-men > are > > actually the Mugumba, who turn up on the Serpent > > Peninsula in Champions of Mystara. I'm not sure > > (after all, the Mugumba are beaver men, not otter > > men), but I thought someone else mentioned that > > once. > > Hmmmm...I'm pretty sure one of these modules had > otter-men in them aswell, though it doesn't look > like > it was in Dragons Den. Can't remember where I saw > them > though. Grrrr. > > Havard > > ===== > *** > Håvard R. 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Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:25:02 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Caves of Chaos the castle described there is supposed to be castellan keep in North east karakeikos, north east of Penhaligon. Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault-sarlat@wanadoo.fr clenariusfr@yahoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Westermeyer" To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Caves of Chaos > I haven't actually run a game in Mystara since the early 1980s when > it wasn't Mystara, just the world included with X2 Isle of Dread, the > Grand Duchy of Karameikos was described in the 'Expert' rule book. > > But I've always enjoyed the setting, and followed it while my PCs ran > through Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms. > > I have a question, B2 Caves of Chaos, can anyone tell me where on > Mystara that was set? Or where they set it? I usually placed it in > Karameikos. > -- > "...How shall a man judge what to do in such times?!" > "As he has ever judged," said Aragorn "Good and evil have not changed > since yesteryear..." > J.R.R. Tolkien, _The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers_ > > Paul Westermeyer, pwestermeyer@tampabay.rr.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:38:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Caves of Chaos --- Paul Westermeyer wrote: > I have a question, B2 Caves of Chaos, can anyone > tell me where on > Mystara that was set? Or where they set it? I > usually placed it in > Karameikos. Isnt Caves of Chaos connected with Keep on the Borderlands? KotB is offically set in the Duke's Keep in Karameikos, so the Caves should be close to that. I have seen other locations suggested for it too though. Havard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:33:09 -0600 From: john arendt Subject: Re: Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) Delurking momentarily to discuss the mysterious Ottermen... For some reason I seem to think they were in 'Champions of Mystara' - one of those books - basically a random drawing with no relation to any text-content I could find. Funny stuff. > From: Havard Faanes > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dragon's Den (was: Map of Thunder Rift?) > Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:25:38 +0200 > > Hmmm...I wonder if I may just have dreamed up the > whole thing. Weird. :( > > I like your envisioning of the otter-men though :) > > Havard > > --- Chris Cherrington skrev: > > You know I have been looking through those modules, > > even the TR ones, and not a single mention of > > Ottermen. I do remember seeing a picture of an > > Otterman with boots, belt and a crossbow before. I > > laughed at the picture, it seemed more like "Puss in > > Boots" than an actual race. I love otters though, > > very playful, I would imagine them being like kids > > on kiddie-crack (sugar and soda). > > > ============================================================ > > From: Havard Faanes > > Date: 2004/05/24 Mon PM 02:32:23 EDT > > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dragon's Den (was: Map of > > Thunder Rift?) > > > > --- Andrew Theisen skrev: > > > Havard > > Faanes wrote: > > > > > I think (though I'm not sure) that the Otter-men > > are > > > actually the Mugumba, who turn up on the Serpent > > > Peninsula in Champions of Mystara. I'm not sure > > > (after all, the Mugumba are beaver men, not otter > > > men), but I thought someone else mentioned that > > > once. > > > > Hmmmm...I'm pretty sure one of these modules had > > otter-men in them aswell, though it doesn't look > > like > > it was in Dragons Den. Can't remember where I saw > > them > > though. Grrrr. > > > > Havard > > > > ===== > > *** > > Håvard R. Faanes > > www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Få den nye Yahoo! 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Faanes > www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa > > ______________________________________________________ > Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ > Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:52:47 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Ottermen (was: Dragon's Den) I just remembered something from the Savage Coast. No boots, but are these the ottermen we've been looking for? http://dnd.starflung.com/jorri.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:55:53 -0700 From: Larry Subject: Re: Caves of Chaos --- Paul Westermeyer wrote: > I have a question, B2 Caves of Chaos, can anyone > tell me where on > Mystara that was set? Or where they set it? I > usually placed it in > Karameikos. > Its set in the far north eastern mountaions of karameikos. The Keep in B2 is the Castallion Keep on the K:KoA boxed set. ===== "Happy Hunting!" My web site: http://www.geocities.com/boonedale/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:50:04 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Rage of the Rakasta / Escape from Thunder Rift question > > 3. The location of the Dimensional Pool is within > > Hearth-Home, as this > > fortress was not only built to protect TR from > > denizens within, but those > > from other dimensions as well. > > Perhaps Hearth-Home was built on Hutaakan ruins, thus > explaining the creation of the Pool? I don't see the > Dwarves having constructed such a gate. I don't remember if the dwarves built this or not, but the interior of their fortress was sealed off to prevent anyone gaining access to it. Some ancient dwarven hero battled a wizard who was attempting to use the portal. The details are in Escape from Thunder Rift. I used Hearth-Home IMC, as a dwarven community outside of Oceansend, w. Thyatian agents investigating the portal as a possible quick strike invasion route to Norwold. I'll see if I can dig up the info so it can be added into the timeline. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:49:01 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Races of Thunder Rift Havard Faanes wrote: > >> See my timeline for more, but I think we can assume >> that. (Still have to read a bit more about the >> Daros, though. :) > > Hmmmm, can any of the MML etnology experts help out > here? Ah, the Daro... basically a mix of Northern Traldar (from Selenica and possibly lost cities destroyed by the Gnolls in current Southern Darokin) and Antalian people coming from the north in small bands. To this, add subsequent waves of colonists from Thyatis (people who left for Glantri, but stopped halfway) and Traldara, and later from Glantri itself (after the Light of Rad). Western Darokin people have also ties to Sind, while eastern Daro have Ylari blood. > Well, perhaps his name was Tharic Farolas for > instance, meaning "Of the Farolas clan"? Or, the new clan took name from the founder, like the Everast and Torkrest did, IIRC. > Well, what if they didn't arrive through a gate? The > module says that they have travelled a long way and > stayed in many different places. Note that modern Myoshiman Rakasta don't need portals to travel to Mystara, they can use their flying sabertooth tigers. This may or may not have been an option for the Ashai Rakasta, depending on who they were and why they fled. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 May 2004 to 24 May 2004 (#2004-114) ****************************************************************