Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 9 Jul 2004 to 10 Jul 2004 (#2004-142) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 11/07/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 5 messages totalling 162 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Belcadiz (2) 2. More Elf ideas (2) 3. Arcana Mystara ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:29:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Belcadiz --- Havard Faanes ha scritto: > Gaz 3, s 20: > "They came from a far land, beyond the seas of > Thanegioth." What if we stretched a bit this, and decided that it was beyond the seas of Thanegioth...but in the WEST, making them come from the Savage Coast? Thus we could assume that the "spanish" elements of the Ispan people were introduced by the elven culture of the Savage Coast, and borrowed from the humans that settled there. I have always found strange (if not outright ridiculous) that in 100 years a human culture could completely alter the elven culture of an area that has been elven for so long. Linguistic elements borrowed from the elven culture would justify the change from latin to spanish. Ok, we would still have the problem of what language do the elves speak...but we would solve the origin of Belcadiz elves, and why would explain why they are so similar to SC elves; plus, we'd erase a completely illogical thing (elven culture suppressed by human culture). Option 2: We have exactly the same situation as above, BUT Belcadiz elves move from the Savage Coast to the Ispan island created by James Mishler, before leaving northwards to Glantri (and this explains the line "beyond the seas of Thanegioth"). Thus, the elves adopt partly thyatian sounding names, and bring the "spanish" elements to the Espan thyatians. Then the Espan leave west toward the Savage Coast, and fit easily among the "spanish" elven culture of the Savage Coast. What do you think? Giulio ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Companion - Scarica gratis la toolbar di Ricerca di Yahoo! http://companion.yahoo.it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:49:45 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: More Elf ideas Chris Cherrington ha scritto: > > I will double check tonight. The timeline does have the Erewan leave > for Glantri at 700AC and the Belcadiz at 730AC. A possibility may be > the Belcadiz found a way back, but by the time they were ready to > leave, so were many others and the Erewan's were closer to get their > sooner. Don't they have many rifts by saying who was here first? Not much. The rift is due to the fact that the Erewan were once part of the Belcadiz principality (which IMO also points to the fact that the Belcadiz arrived earlier in the modern colonization phase), and later broke off. The "who was earlier" quarrell is mostly between elves and Flaems (at least in Carnelia's speech). Bye, GP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:57:04 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Belcadiz Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > Okay, I originally thought it said "their skin is > dark", but it actually says "their skin is darker", > which is a difference. Still, having darker skin than > the Alfheim Elves means pale skin is definately out. > I'm guessing they have tan to olive skin, similar to > the stereotypical spanish that they are meant to > resemble. Yeah. Anyway, "pale" in the Glantrian context may simply mean "not Flaem", since "Pale Ones" is the Fleam (derogatory) term for the elves and non-Flaem humans (including the some that are certainly not pale in the usual sense, like the Thyatians). > As far as I can see, the elven immigration is not > mentioned in the timeline in Gaz 3... No, it's only in the text above the timeline (which is too concise, and misses some detail). Bye, GP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:07:41 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Arcana Mystara Hi, Does anyone have a copy of the pages from the Arcana Mystara website, or = know where thry're located now? The previous link is below. It was Kit = Navarro's site, and it had lot of information on the Mystaran solar = system and how it related to Immortals, with lots of great planetary = pictures and such. I was hoping to use this stuff for an adventure IMC = but now the site is down! Please help! http://www.geocities.com/enchanter_from_glantri/arcanamystara/arcana.htm Thanks, Dan deustace@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:50:35 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: More Elf ideas Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > IIRC, the Belcadiz are the descendants of the original settlers of > Glantri (elves splitting from Ilsundal's migration), who went south > after the second explosion and returned much later to the Highlands. > Their language hints to a passage of them among the Thyatian tribes, but > they seem to have moved back earlier than the Thyatian colonists of Glantri. I was just reading through Gaz5 last night on a different (unrelated) matter, and noticed that it mentions in the history of the elves that the Belcadiz were allegedly (by their own account) part of a migration from Grunland that left some 300 years after Ilsundal's Returnists left Grunland. Also, (again unrelated) I had forgotten that the Grunland elves supposedly stayed to continue working with technology. Is it possible that there is a technomantic society of elves down there? This could fit in with the gnomes of Vulcania and the other "technological" southern colonies (Thimhallan, for one). The far south of Mystara may be more advanced than anyone knows. I'm thinking this would be a good place (for anyone interested in the Eberron setting) to place some more "advanced" technomantic ideas. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 9 Jul 2004 to 10 Jul 2004 (#2004-142) ***************************************************************