Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 21 Jul 2004 to 22 Jul 2004 (#2004-146) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 23/07/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 353 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Arcana Mystara (2) 2. miles in a hex (5) 3. Return to... 4. Sind Maps (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:41:33 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Arcana Mystara Andrew Theisen ha scritto: > > Anyway, welcome back. Glad to hear that things aren't > going to disappear entirely. I know that Giampaolo > mentioned he'd downloaded the GPD files, just in case. Yes, I decided to download a number of Mystaran websites on geocities that were not updated in a while, just in case: as you may know, the Thyatian website (TCR) disappeared without us (me or Giulio) actually leaving for any significant time, so better save everything... Anyway, welcome back, Kit! GP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:17:20 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: miles in a hex I know I have this formulated somewhere, just can't find it. How many linear miles cutting across an 8 mile or 24 mile hex? How many square miles in a hex? I am no math genius, but I know some of you on this list are. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:44:12 -0700 From: Rodger Burns Subject: Re: miles in a hex Chris Cherrington wrote on July 22, 2004 12:17 PM: > > I know I have this formulated somewhere, just can't find it. > > How many linear miles cutting across an 8 mile or 24 mile hex? > How many square miles in a hex? > > I am no math genius, but I know some of you on this list are. > I'm not a math genius, but I have S. John Ross's fantasy demographics article on mental bookmark. :) Area of a hex equals (width * 0.9306049) ^ 2. As for width of a hex cutting across (corner to corner), that's (width * 1.1547), AKA width times sqrt (4/3). HTH! "The best lack all conviction, While the worst are full of passionate intensity." - W.B. Yeats, "The Second Coming" Rodger Burns ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:16:46 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: miles in a hex ============================================================ From: Rodger Burns ============================================================ Don't ask, but I can tell you I did graduate from Florida 8-) I tried to use your formula, and I ended up with an 8 mile hex is 24 miles long. How about some results? is an 8 mile hex, 8 miles long and 55.424 miles square? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:16:56 +1200 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: miles in a hex > Don't ask, but I can tell you I did graduate from Florida 8-) > I tried to use your formula, and I ended up with an 8 mile hex is 24 > miles long. > How about some results? is an 8 mile hex, 8 miles long and 55.424 miles > square? Sounds right to me. and I get 10 and 2/3 miles for the other figure which I assume is furthest points across a hex. However heres something that might throw a spanner in your brain (although it has been mentioned in the past, as hex maps don't appear to take into account the curvature of the planet, a hex's real dimentions must change with latitude. It may remain 8 miles up and down but it's distance across would have to change, and therefore it's area. Although it is only if you are working with big maps of the world, small ones could be assumed to have very little error. But I know my habbit is just to join all the maps togeather. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:23:13 -0700 From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: miles in a hex Assuming you measure the hex from the center of one flat side to the center of the opposite flat side =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F / ^ \ / | \ / |x \ \ | / \ | / \=5F=5Fv=5F=5F=5F/ The area of the hex is x^2 sin60 sin 60 is approx 0=2E866, so=2E=2E=2E 8 miles across =3D 55=2E4 sq mi 24 miles across =3D 498=2E8 sq mi Here's a website that describes the math: http://www=2Edrking=2Eplus=2Ecom/hexagons/misc/index=2Ehtml =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F / \ ^ / \ | /=5F=5F=5F=5F=5Fa=5F=5F=5F=5F\ |x \ / | \ / | \=5F=5F=5Fb=5F=5F/ v If you measure from corner to corner, a =3D 2b, and a =3D x / sin60, so if x =3D 8, then a =3D 9=2E24 and b =3D 4=2E62 if x =3D 24, then a =3D 27=2E7 and b =3D 13=2E86 This may be useful when characters are traveling along edges=2E If you measure hexes corner to corner instead of side to side, if a =3D 8, b =3D 4, x =3D 6=2E9, 3/2(a) =3D 12, area =3D 41=2E57 sq mi if a =3D 24, b =3D 12, x =3D 21, 3/2(a) =3D 36, area =3D 374=2E12 sq mi =5F=5F=5F=5F =5F=5F=5F=5F / \ / \ | /=5F=5F=5Fa=5F=5F\=5F=5F=5F=5F/ \ |x \ / \ / | \=5F=5Fb=5F/ \=5F=5F=5F=5F/ | \ / \=5F=5F=5F=5F/ <----------> this distance is (3/2)(a) <----------> this distance is also (3/2)(a) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:52:34 EDT From: Greg Pratt Subject: Re: Return to... In a message dated 7/5/2004 12:05:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, havardfaa@YAHOO.NO writes: > When you mentioned B10, I was thinking something in > the lines of a Return to the Valley of Hutaakas. It > would be interesting to see what had happened in the > valley. Whether the Traldar and Hutaakans had been > viped out by the Gnolls, or whether the Hutaakans were > now ready to return to the oustide world. This is kind of interesting actually, as I had been laying the groundwork for this in my campaign. In my campaign the party had played Horror on the Hill before B10, and had left without defeating the cleric (Moray Vaco). I decided he had gathered up his remaining followers and pursued the party, vowing vengeance. He trailed behind in the wake of the party as they fought the various humanoids in B10, gathering further followers, always a few weeks behind. In the meantime the party made it into the Lost Valley after slaying the gnoll shaman and her followers, while evading the bulk of the gnoll clan (accidentally leaving a rod of wonder behind in the process, which the gnolls found). They then managed to first befriend, then get on bad terms with both the Traldar and the Hutaakans (killing a number of both in the process). They destroyed the temple (literally - they fiddled with the natural gas) and made off with the valley's loot. Vaco followed behind just in time to miss them, managing to rally the gnolls to his religious cause and to proceed into the valley. I decided the Hutaakans were disillusioned with Pflarr (after their losses to the players) and their high priestess converted and allied them with Vaco and proceeded to nearly exterminate the Traldar. At this point Vaco had hundreds of humanoids under his control (orcs, goblins, hobgoblins, gnolls, hutaakans), a small order of lesser clerics, a defensible valley, and some slave labor (mostly surviving Traldar, plus a few others captured here and there). Never underestimate the potential of a minor enemy. By collecting up all the various creatures and minions who were not clobbered by my players and gathering them together, I've got the potential for a major adventure in an area the players have previously visited. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:15 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Arcana Mystara Hey Kit, Glad you made it back from your adventures! I originally asked about the "fancy version" of your Arcana files. I was hoping to use some of the pictures and graphics for something I'm planning for my campaign. Would you mind sending me the web files? I'll save them and also serve as a back-up for you. Welcome back, Dan deustace@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Navarro" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Arcana Mystara > Dear Andrew, > > Yesterday, I just came back from 6 months in China. Long story, but Internet connection-wise, I had my share of problems. For one thing, I brought a Mac iBook as my laptop (and it being Apple had its own complications!). For the first few months, I didn't have access to my email accounts to SEND email! (Yes, I was listening and lurking on the mailing lists, but not entirely out of choice!) For the last few weeks, my Mac got fried, so I didn't have any Internet access at all. > > Today, I've been reading so much email and catching up. I'll be active once more soon. > > Don't worry about the Arcana Mystara. I wasn't too satisfied with it myself, so I let it die. I do have everything still on file, so do not fear! That arcana will not be too hard to unearth. > > I've got everything else (Paparazzi and GPD) on file as well. I will act on them immediately. > > Kit Navarro > > > On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 08:03PM, Andrew Theisen wrote: > > >Sorry to see that the Arcana Mystara is gone- that's one of my bookmarked sites! > > > >As to the materials there, I'd suggest contacting Kit Navarro directly. Come to think of it, though, I don't recall seeing him around here lately. Anyone know if he's still on-list? > > > >If not, we might want to back up the files on the Glantrian Personnel Division site, too- it's another one of those Geocities sites that they've been deleting left and right. I'd really hate to see the GPD disappear, even if we haven't done a whole lot of work on it recently. > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:17 EDT From: Greg Pratt Subject: Sind Maps I thought I'd share a recent notion I had regarding the differing maps which have been presented of Sind. Specifically, the empty barren lands presented in X4 and the populated one presented in Champions of Mystara. Generally, I think people have assumed that the empty one was the older version of the two, What if it was the other way around? That the Champions of Mystara one was correct for 1000AC, and the other one was correct for a later date (say 1050 AC or so). It would work if the Immortals decided it was time to move Sind to the Hollow World. Given the fact that the nation was conquered by Hule and as a result is having its culture considerably altered, I'd argue that it meets the criteria for when this usually occurs. Anyways, its just a thought. Any comments? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:39:36 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Sind Maps Greg Pratt wrote: > > Generally, I think people have assumed that the empty one was the older > version of the two, What if it was the other way around? That the Champions of > Mystara one was correct for 1000AC, and the other one was correct for a later date > (say 1050 AC or so). The Gazetteers move the timeframe for X4/X5/X10 to 1200 AC. So yes, originally the X4 map was supposed to be correct for 1000 AC, but since in the Gazetteers this was not anymore true, Champions of Mystara could set a populated region there. The idea of immortals saving part of the Sindhi culture in the HW in worth taking into account. Now, where would HW Sind be placed? -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 21 Jul 2004 to 22 Jul 2004 (#2004-146) ****************************************************************