Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Aug 2004 to 16 Aug 2004 (#2004-168) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 17/08/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 9 messages totalling 626 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Hurricane (2) 2. Weather Patterns (4) 3. Legend, Lore and Myth: The Bow of Petra 4. Help with French (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:37:33 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Hurricane Well guys, I am back. As Dan pointed out Charlie hit the West Coast. But with hurricanes, you can never really know. One of my many other jobs is being a volunteer for the Boy Scouts, so now I am sun burnt to the point of blistering over a good 30% of my body. Not from clean up or getting supplies to the west, I was washing cars to raise money for the Red Cross. They have plenty of food and water, but the Red Cross’s mission is to get them up and running. 22 Counties were affected by this storm. Dustin, how did you fair? Oviedo is just a high spot in the middle of a swamp, and Charlie must have eyed you pretty well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:52:28 -0400 From: Dustin Clingman Subject: Re: Hurricane Indeed! The Eye past right over us with sustained winds of 90mph. I have earned a nice burn myself pulling trees out. Lost fences and shingles, but not much more. We were without power on Sat/Sun, but it's back now. Whew! That was quite a ride. Dustin -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Chris Cherrington Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:38 AM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Hurricane Well guys, I am back. As Dan pointed out Charlie hit the West Coast. But with hurricanes, you can never really know. One of my many other jobs is being a volunteer for the Boy Scouts, so now I am sun burnt to the point of blistering over a good 30% of my body. Not from clean up or getting supplies to the west, I was washing cars to raise money for the Red Cross. They have plenty of food and water, but the Red Cross's mission is to get them up and running. 22 Counties were affected by this storm. Dustin, how did you fair? Oviedo is just a high spot in the middle of a swamp, and Charlie must have eyed you pretty well. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:30:58 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Weather Patterns One of the few things I can see with Mystara is its overall weather patterns. We have phenomenon like “El Nino”, “NorEasterns”, Monsoons, and Hurricanes. There are even seasons or cycles for each of these events. What possibly makes the Known World so “Known” as it is the only area that is not heavily influenced by weather that can wipe one country off the face of the planet. If Thyatis was hit with Tropical Waves and Hurricanes, like Florida, then the Empire could be set to its knees every summer trying to rebuild. Fortunately Thyatis does not get the tropical waves sent off from the coast of an eastern continent, and if it did, Ochalea would be getting the brunt of it. I know the Almanac pits a hurricane against Thyatis, but that is the only mention of one. What would be the overall weather change brought on by a missing Alphatia be like? Would the sunken continent cause an El Nino effect by having much shallower waters being heated and causing strange weather phen omenon? What RW physics can we apply to see such weather patterns? I could see Sind being pummeled with Hurricanes from the East and Monsoons on its far western reaches. This weather pattern makes a nice barrier to prevent much greater expansion westward through Darokin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:09:28 -0400 From: Donald Eric Kesler Subject: Re: Weather Patterns Hello, I'm not sure that we can really come with a real world model for Mystara. There are just too many variables that are not present in the real world. How does the gate to the elemental plane of water that is off the cost of Norwold affect weather patterns? What about the gates from the elemental plane of fire in Ylaruam? What about all those merchant princes in Minrothad with their spells that control the winds? Let's not forget the magical manipulations that have been undertaken in Alfheim? In my campaign, I just let the story dictate the weather and leave it at that. If the story requires some snow in Summer, then it is going to snow in Summer. If the strange weather requires a bit of justification, I just rattle off the examples of enviromental tampering that I listed above. It works. Regards and Best Wishes, Donald Eric Kesler http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ > From: Chris Cherrington > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] Weather Patterns > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:30:58 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Originating-IP: [216.111.213.2] > Received: from mc8-f18.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.154]) by mc8-s16.hotmail.com > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:51:15 -0700 > Received: from oracle.wizards.com ([209.221.142.150]) by > mc8-f18.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 > 09:51:15 -0700 > Received: from lotus (10.12.8.13) by oracle.wizards.com (LSMTP for Windows > NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.012FB168@oracle.wizards.com>; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 > 9:50:27 -0700 > Received: from ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM by ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > release 1.8d) with spool id 39732632 for > MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:31:13 -0700 > Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (205.152.59.72) by > oracle.wizards.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id > <0.012FB131@oracle.wizards.com>; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 9:31:08 -0700 > Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.159]) by > imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 > 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id > <20040816163058.UIPH1756.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> > for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:30:58 > -0400 > X-Message-Info: 820stLNiepTZ0UmwB6v4LNmGof3CextDCLtWhyv5UJE= > X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) > Message-ID: > <20040816163058.UIPH1756.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> > Return-Path: owner-mystara-l@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2004 16:51:15.0257 (UTC) > FILETIME=[3E667A90:01C483B1] > > One of the few things I can see with Mystara is its overall weather > patterns. We have phenomenon like “El Nino”, “NorEasterns”, Monsoons, and > Hurricanes. There are even seasons or cycles for each of these events. > What possibly makes the Known World so “Known” as it is the only area that > is not heavily influenced by weather that can wipe one country off the face > of the planet. If Thyatis was hit with Tropical Waves and Hurricanes, like > Florida, then the Empire could be set to its knees every summer trying to > rebuild. Fortunately Thyatis does not get the tropical waves sent off from > the coast of an eastern continent, and if it did, Ochalea would be getting > the brunt of it. I know the Almanac pits a hurricane against Thyatis, but > that is the only mention of one. What would be the overall weather change > brought on by a missing Alphatia be like? Would the sunken continent cause > an El Nino effect by having much shallower waters being heated and causing > strange weather phenomenon? What RW physics can we apply to see such > weather patterns? I could see Sind being pummeled with Hurricanes from the > East and Monsoons on its far western reaches. This weather pattern makes a > nice barrier to prevent much greater expansion westward through Darokin. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:17:07 -0400 From: Donald Eric Kesler Subject: Legend, Lore and Myth: The Bow of Petra Amongst the many items that Petra invented with her divinely inspired wisdom was the bow. She was very proud of this creation. Now, one could hunt either the high flying bird or the fleet footed deer with far greater ease. Petra was very pleased and the Immortals smiled upon her work. In this brief period before the war with the Beast-Men, it was Petra's habit to venture forth daily into the Dymrak Forest to hunt. Naturally, this helped provided food for the people of Krakatos. Also, she took great delight in her ever growing prowess with a weapon that she had created with her own hands. It came to pass that Zirchev heard of Petra's many accomplishments. Zirchev was also aware of her reputation as one who was just and brave. Hoping to find a kindred spirit, Zirchev decided to seek out Queen Petra to discover for himself if she was as remarkable as he had been lead to believe. As has been related in other tales, it was never in Zirchev's nature to be overly trusting toward others. He knew all too well that things are not always as they may seem. With this thought in mind, he decided to first spy upon Petra in secret. "If I look upon this Queen of Krakatos and know her to be as good and just as I believe her to be, then I will reveal myself. If it turns out that she is cruel and dark, then I will slip away quietly without ever being seen." Such were the eyes of Zirchev. He could but gaze upon any man or woman and immediately know what lay within their heart. With but a glance, he could tell if one were petty or noble; he could tell if one were brave or cowardly; he could tell if one was just or cruel. Petra's daily excursion into the Dymrak Forest was no secret. For this reason it was in these woods that Zirchev decided to conceal himself along a route that Petra was sure to take. So well hidden was Zirchev that a rabbit chewed peacefully upon the tender leaves at his feet. There he waited. Before too long, Petra came within Zirchev sight. With but one glance, Zirchev knew that the legends were true. Here was one who would fight with honor and courage in the war to come. So delighted was Zirchev to meet such a honorable soul that he leapt forth boldly to greet Petra. This startled Petra who, in the heat of the moment, mistook Zirchev's furry cloak for the hide of some wild woodland predator. Without a moments hesitation, Petra had pulled back an arrow and let it fly toward Zirchev. The shaft of Petra was sure and true and Zirchev fell bodily to the ground. His very life blood was seeping out of his body and into the soil of the Dymrak Forest. "What have I done?", lamented Petra. Now that the moment had passed, it was clear to her that noble Zirchev was no wild beast. Among the many skills that Petra had mastered was the sacred art of healing. This was fortunate for Zirchev's injury was most grave. Petra cleaned and dressed Zirchev's wounds and she prayed to the Immortals to spare the life of the one that she had so recklessly attacked. Throughout the night, Petra tended to the feverish Zirchev who was suffering grievously. Zirchev's very life was in great peril. This was something that Petra could not accept. Holding aloft her bow, she cried out to the Immortals. "Hear me, Protectors. I, Petra, offer up my greatest creation to you. This is the bow that I fashioned first in my mind and then with my hands. This is the bow that has provided food for many in Krakatos. For all of the good that it has done, I can no longer bear the sight of it. I do not find it repulsive because it is flawed. Indeed, it is not. It is a marvelous and potent weapon, but now it will only serve to remind me of my own failure." Once more, Petra gazed upon fallen Zirchev. "I have used this bow to strike down a good man; one who sought only to become my friend and brother in arms. I beg you, Immortals. Take this weapon away from me, and make my friend whole once again." The Immortal's were so impressed with Petra's impassioned and heartfelt plea that they did allow Zirchev to recover from his injury. True to her word, Petra foreswore ever using the bow again. As for Zirchev, he was quick to forgive Petra. As a sign of this, he adopted the bow as his own sacred weapon. http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:51 -0700 From: Ray Allen Subject: Re: Weather Patterns Sure we could. Just use the basic facts from Earth and reapply them to them to Mystara. Here's some basic real world weather facts.... Winds blow from high to low presssure. At the poles, 0 degees, is low pressure, 30 degrees is high pressure, 60 degrees is low pressure and the equartor is high pressure. Ocean currents usually run in a circle and run east to west along the eauator. A possible example would be a warm current that moves west below Bellissaria and turns north and flows along the east coast of the Isle of Dawn and the Alphatian Sea. It would cool as it moves north. Once it gets to the Artic Circle, it would become a cold current and would turn south along Esterhold and pass Bellissaria again. Of course it would warm as it goes. Hurricanes....Hmmmmmmm......in the real world, they start off the western coast of Africa and form into hurricanes/topical storms as they more west across the Atlantic. In the Caribbean, they form quickly and move west into Mexico or north to the gulf states of the USA. With that in mind, I would say that they could form in three possible areas, 1) Near the Adakkian Mounts/Sound and move north/north-west to the Yalu Bay, Yaazak Steppes and Gulf of Hule areas, 2) Between Oceania and Ochalea and move north-east over the Sea of Dawn then north-east into the Alphatia Sea to break up, and 3) Just south-west of the Tangor Peninsula (but north of the equator). These ones would be Big, BIG monster storms. They would have lots of warm water to power the hurricane engine. They could move along the equator as far as the Pearl Islands and the Sea of Dread but would probably turn north far before then. I would say the most likely place for them to make land fall would be the Gulf of Tangor and Tangor Bay. The effect of magic and the elemental planes would have to be up to the DM. I must have learned something when I worked for Accu-Weather. :) --Ray. --- Donald Eric Kesler wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not sure that we can really come with a real world > model for Mystara. ===== If you have to choose between books and computers, there's no doubt which you should choose. You should choose books. --Bill Gates of Microsoft ---------------------------------------------- Geek Code: GLS$ d- s:+ a C++ UL++++ P? L++ E---- W++ N+ o-- K- w--- O? M- V-- PS+++ PE Y PGP- t+ 5-- X+++ R++ tv-- b++ DI- D---- G-- e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ ---------------------------------------------- Don't tell me the RIAA are a bunch of hypocritical, dishonest bastards! Now I have nothing left to believe in. (www.slashdot.org) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:46:30 -0400 From: Donald Eric Kesler Subject: Re: Weather Patterns Hello, Well, I guess that I stand corrected. :) Regards and Best Wishes, Donald Eric Kesler http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ > From: Ray Allen > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Weather Patterns > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:51 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from mc8-f10.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.146]) by mc8-s4.hotmail.com > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:33:55 -0700 > Received: from oracle.wizards.com ([209.221.142.150]) by > mc8-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 > 14:33:55 -0700 > Received: from lotus (10.12.8.13) by oracle.wizards.com (LSMTP for Windows > NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.012FB8FE@oracle.wizards.com>; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 > 14:32:45 -0700 > Received: from ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM by ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > release 1.8d) with spool id 39734870 for > MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:51 -0700 > Received: from web11303.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.131.206) by > oracle.wizards.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id > <0.012FB8C3@oracle.wizards.com>; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:51 -0700 > Received: from [66.207.82.177] by web11303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 > Aug 2004 14:14:51 PDT > X-Message-Info: 820stLNiepTLpUCj/A0NVZtTKga1MxhchgoZJ5S1tFc= > Message-ID: <20040816211451.54726.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> > In-Reply-To: > Return-Path: owner-mystara-l@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2004 21:33:55.0702 (UTC) > FILETIME=[BB9D0160:01C483D8] > > Sure we could. Just use the basic facts from Earth and > reapply them to them to Mystara. Here's some basic real > world weather facts.... > > Winds blow from high to low presssure. At the poles, 0 > degees, is low pressure, 30 degrees is high pressure, 60 > degrees is low pressure and the equartor is high > pressure. > > Ocean currents usually run in a circle and run east to > west along the eauator. A possible example would be a > warm current that moves west below Bellissaria and turns > north and flows along the east coast of the Isle of Dawn > and the Alphatian Sea. It would cool as it moves north. > Once it gets to the Artic Circle, it would become a cold > current and would turn south along Esterhold and pass > Bellissaria again. Of course it would warm as it goes. > > Hurricanes....Hmmmmmmm......in the real world, they start > off the western coast of Africa and form into > hurricanes/topical storms as they more west across the > Atlantic. In the Caribbean, they form quickly and move > west into Mexico or north to the gulf states of the USA. > With that in mind, I would say that they could form in > three possible areas, 1) Near the Adakkian Mounts/Sound > and move north/north-west to the Yalu Bay, Yaazak Steppes > and Gulf of Hule areas, 2) Between Oceania and Ochalea > and move north-east over the Sea of Dawn then north-east > into the Alphatia Sea to break up, and 3) Just south-west > of the Tangor Peninsula (but north of the equator). > These ones would be Big, BIG monster storms. They would > have lots of warm water to power the hurricane engine. > They could move along the equator as far as the Pearl > Islands and the Sea of Dread but would probably turn > north far before then. I would say the most likely place > for them to make land fall would be the Gulf of Tangor > and Tangor Bay. > > The effect of magic and the elemental planes would have > to be up to the DM. I must have learned something when I > worked for Accu-Weather. :) > > --Ray. > > > --- Donald Eric Kesler > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm not sure that we can really come with a real world > > model for Mystara. > > > ===== > If you have to choose between books and computers, there's > no doubt which you should choose. You should choose books. > --Bill Gates of Microsoft > ---------------------------------------------- > Geek Code: > GLS$ d- s:+ a C++ UL++++ P? L++ E---- W++ N+ o-- K- w--- O? M- V-- PS+++ PE > Y PGP- t+ 5-- X+++ R++ tv-- b++ DI- D---- G-- e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ > ---------------------------------------------- > Don't tell me the RIAA are a bunch of hypocritical, dishonest bastards! Now > I have nothing left to believe in. (www.slashdot.org) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:15:53 -0400 From: Donald Eric Kesler Subject: Help with French Hello, My players are currently working their way through Castle Amber. This same party has also been in dire need of a name. I was thinking that when all was said and done Etienne d' Ambreville would bestow upon the party some sort of honorific title. Could someone provide me with French translations for the following group names? The Guardians of the D' Ambreville The Champions of the D' Ambreville The Keepers of the Silver Keys The Defenders of the Silver Keys The Guardians of the Silver Gate The really angry people who tied up poor, insane Gaston D'Ambreville and poured all his paint out of his bucket, but still refrained from killing him in spite of all the mean things that he said to them. :) If anyone has any suggestions for a better honorific title for the party, I will gladly take it. Even if you don't know French, I am sure that someone on the list will be able to translate it. At least that is what I am hoping. Regards and Best Wishes, Donald Eric Kesler http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:59:12 -0700 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Help with French Hum let's see.. The Guardians of the D' Ambreville = Les défenseurs des d'Ambreville The Champions of the D' Ambreville = les champions des d'Ambreville The Keepers of the Silver Keys = Les gardiens des clefs d'argent The Defenders of the Silver Keys = les défenseurs des clefs d'argent The Guardians of the Silver Gate =Les gardiens de la porte d'argent I'll think of eventually better propositions today. i'll let you know tonight (for me) thib --- Donald Eric Kesler wrote: > Hello, > > My players are currently working their way through > Castle Amber. This same > party has also been in dire need of a name. I was > thinking that when all > was said and done Etienne d' Ambreville would bestow > upon the party some > sort of honorific title. Could someone provide me > with French translations > for the following group names? > > The Guardians of the D' Ambreville > The Champions of the D' Ambreville > The Keepers of the Silver Keys > The Defenders of the Silver Keys > The Guardians of the Silver Gate > The really angry people who tied up poor, insane > Gaston D'Ambreville and > poured all his paint out of his bucket, but still > refrained from killing him > in spite of all the mean things that he said to > them. :) > > If anyone has any suggestions for a better honorific > title for the party, I > will gladly take it. Even if you don't know French, > I am sure that someone > on the list will be able to translate it. At least > that is what I am > hoping. > > Regards and Best Wishes, > > Donald Eric Kesler > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN > Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ===== Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 15 Aug 2004 to 16 Aug 2004 (#2004-168) ****************************************************************