Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 Aug 2004 to 24 Aug 2004 (#2004-175) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 25/08/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 15 messages totalling 865 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Reviving the Tome of Mystara (7) 2. Mystara Dutch (6) 3. A Mystara Wiki 4. Website updated (Shameless Plug) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:01:05 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Reviving the Tome of Mystara The Stalker wrote: > > Most of us would welcome the return of the Tome of Mystara (I was a > contributor in half the six issues that came out), but while I think we'd > all support such a project, I fear whoever took it on would soon run into > the same problem the editors did - lack of time. Working on the MA is > already pretty daunting and slow going, so I'm afraid I'm not too > optimistic about the chances. That said, I would certainly consider > contributing again, if someone made the effort. Well, not all of us work on the MA -- I do not, for one. However, I do understand this concern, but I also think it could be overcome by careful planning: 1) Relatively small issues -- depending on number of editors: say, 20 to 50 pages (at 600 words/page, more or less) 2) Flexibility on deadlines -- The Tome was supposed to come out every three months, IIRC; I'd assume a 2 to 4 issues per year, depending on number of contributions and number of editors (see below) 3) Cooperation: if one editor must review in full 50 pages in a month or so, no one will have time for it. So, what could be done is to share the burden on more people: a) More editors: easiest way, obvious drawback -- there are few people with time enough to work as editors; also, more editors means lack of central control b) Guest editors: this is an efficient short term solution -- get someone who is especially knowledgeable on a topic, and set him to (co)edit a single issue on that topic (e.g., I know much about the Savage Coast, but would find it difficult to edit articles on, say, Alphatia) c) Reviewers: very, very fine-grained solution -- you commit your editing effort for a single article once in a while I think a combination of the three may actually be successful -- well, it works in other fields, at least ;) I'd say that 2-3 editors would be enough, with a 20 to 50 pages per issue and 2 to 4 issues per year and some people willing to be guest editors or reviewers for topics they like. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:11:02 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Mystara Dutch Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > >> Well, we have these two clans of gnome, Valoin and Flamaker, which seems >> to mirror the division of Belgium into french-speaking (Wallon) and >> dutch-speaking (Vlaams) regions. > > I thought Beliguim spoke French and GERMAN. Maybe the 3 of them? AFAIK, there's just a small minority of German-speakers in Belgium. Anyway, you can check here: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/be.html >> Also, one family of these gnomes is named "Les Nerviens", which in the >> RW is the (french) name of a gallic nation in Belgium. > > Hey, you are a cultured man! Well, I did read De Bello Gallico, but for linking "Nerviens" to "Nervii" I had to rely on google ;) Just search for "Nerviens"... Bye, GP -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:03:45 -0700 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Mystara Dutch guess what? i am interested to know more about those fellows Geoff... please, send me a preview.. thib --- Geoff Gander wrote: > Agathokles wrote: > > >Well, any nation colonized by the Flaems (from > Glantri) would be an > >M-Dutch country. > > > >Right now, we have the Principality of Bergdhoven > in Glantri, plus the > >gnomes in the Hollow World are a sort of M-Belgium. > > I guess I had better finish up my own little project > that's been sitting > on the back burner for the past while, then. I had > been developing the > "Adakaners" - basically the Mystaran version of the > RW Afrikaners - a > people descended from Bergdhovenese refugees who > fled Glantri during the > Forty Years War, and found themselves in the > Adakkian Sound region. > > Geoff > > -- > Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 > Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer > Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy > au998@freenet.carleton.ca : > www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ===== Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! 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Multiple authors, instant publishing and easy updating, plus exporting static html for archiving. One most point, The swords of the know world also I think would benefit for it as well as, they are not yet on the official site and they already have gone through several revisions. Instead of the content of the sword being sent to the list the author could edit them on the wiki and send a link to the page to the list as part of their post announcing them or changes to them. That way the link always points to the correct version of the information and we don't have to pick through our email. and remember when complete Shawn could export it with one click to static html for archiving on the Official site. And yes, we will need to use the honor system as anyone can edit anything anyway, but it has versioning so mistakes (or mischief) can be rolled back and it is backed up in a database for safekeeping. My next post will be the url and some basic info for using the wiki. My two cents(maybe ten), -Keene __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:46:28 -0700 From: Keene Hammond Subject: A Mystara Wiki Well, I couldn't wait to get started on this. With the wiki there are a some cool features. Like CamelCasedWords like this one -> will create a posible link to a new page by placing a "hyper linked" ? after the word, then all you have to do is click on it to create the page and automatically all apearences of the word s become links to the page. (you can use back ticks like this `Page Name` as well, the edit page has a bunch of tips on it). Like exporting as html -> this allow anyone to export the wiki or any part of the wiki as static html. This will make it a breeze to archive it on dnd.starflung.com (If successful, I for one would like to see the wiki hosted there one day, integrated into the official site, won't the other worlds be jealous then, Viva Mystara). Like Email Notify -> this allows you to subscribe to a page and receive mail when the pages changes (right now I have it set to notify on each edit but it can be set to once a day). Like file uploads -> this allows us to store files (i would think maps and images might be useful, but this kind of activity could be a problem) here as well as text content (but I have it limited for now as I have not installed new disks). Like html and java -> yes that is right, html and java right there on the page, a nerd neccessaty ( There are more, but blah blah blah... So check it out. http://celestialweb.dnsalias.net/wiki/mystara/Wiki -Keene P.S Don't be afraid to try it out, it's easy and backed up. I put some stuff on it, some mine, some clipped, to get it started, but you can add to it change it update it, hell even delete it feel free. The top, left, bottom , and admin pages are password protected just email me and I will give you the password if you wish to edit those. -Keene __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:30:59 EDT From: Carl Quaif Subject: Re: Reviving the Tome of Mystara In a message dated 24/08/2004 01:36:46 GMT Daylight Time, alphatian@MYWAY.COM writes: Oh, and could somebody please back them all up or mirror them if they have space? I can't do myself, but I'd sure like to know the resource will still be out there in the future. If it helps, I saved each issue to my hard drive as a separate pdf file for my own use a long time back - I wanted to preserve my stuff, too - and I'll be happy to send them on to anyone who asks (the six files range from 3.4MB down to 527 kB in size, so most email accounts should be able to cope with them). Regards, Carl Q. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:25:27 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Mystara Dutch Geoff Gander ha scritto: > >> Well, any nation colonized by the Flaems (from Glantri) would be an >> M-Dutch country. > > I guess I had better finish up my own little project that's been sitting > on the back burner for the past while, then. I had been developing the > "Adakaners" - basically the Mystaran version of the RW Afrikaners - a > people descended from Bergdhovenese refugees who fled Glantri during the > Forty Years War, and found themselves in the Adakkian Sound region. Very interesting! I assume they could make a good trade partner for several SC nations. GP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:00:12 -0700 From: Keene Hammond Subject: Re: Reviving the Tome of Mystara Hi, Feel free to add them to the wiki. http://celestialweb.dnsalias.net/wiki/mystara/Wiki They could be cut and pasted into a new page if they are text or a create a page and upload them as attachments. Just describe them, if they are too big I can up the size limit to allow you to add them, I got about a gig to spare (for now anyway, later space won't be an issue). The instructions should easy to follow but if you need help just ask. -Keene --- Carl Quaif wrote: > In a message dated 24/08/2004 01:36:46 GMT Daylight > Time, > alphatian@MYWAY.COM writes: > > Oh, and could somebody please back them all up or > mirror them if they have > space? I can't do myself, but I'd sure like to know > the resource will > still be out there in the future. > > > If it helps, I saved each issue > to my hard drive as a > separate pdf file for my own use a long time back - > I wanted to preserve my > stuff, too - and I'll be happy to send them on to > anyone who asks (the six files > range from 3.4MB down to 527 kB in size, so most > email accounts should be > able to cope with them). > > Regards, > > Carl Q. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:25:03 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Website updated (Shameless Plug) Thanks for the feedback Bertrand :) I'm not really sure what you mean whith shimmerings, but I suppose some color or something might liven it up. I wanted to keep the site simple, yet with a certain style, but perhaps I went a bit far. I know the Geocities ad is annoying. I was considering moving it, that might happen eventually. It will have to be a free one though, at least for now, I'm not prepared to pay for the site. (call me a cheap-ass ;) Later, Havard --- Bertrand Lhoyez skrev: > Very nice. Simple and elegant. Perhaps here and > there you should add a bit > of shimmerings. > > Just get rid of the Geocities Ads (i know it's more > and more a pain in the > ass to find a good free host ... by the way, that > could be interested having > someone who offer some hosting for mystara, if this > don't exist) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion > [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On > Behalf Of Havard Faanes > Sent: lundi 23 août 2004 22:51 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] Website updated (Shameless Plug) > > > I just wanted to let you all know I've updated my > Blackmoor website at > http://www.geocities.com/havardfaa/. Most of the > changes are on the layout side, but I am pretty > happy > about the results. Let me know what you think? > > Oh, and with a major update like this, glitches are > bound to sneak in. Bear with me on this and let me > know if you find any. I'll do my best to fix them as > soon as I find out about them > > Håvard > > > > ===== > *** > Håvard R. Faanes > www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa > > ______________________________________________________ > Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på > http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ > Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med > superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ===== *** Håvard R. 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Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:03:15 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Reviving the Tome of Mystara > >> and the MML/MMB+Shawn combination is (obviously) more flexible. > > > > Again I do not fully understand. > > Let me elaborate a bit on this. > > The MML/MMB works like this: someone posts something, others may > discuss, prompt for changes, sometimes take the post and elaborate on > it, but rarely modify it directly. > Then Shawn reads everything, and archives significant posts (possibly > including comments) in the right place in the VoP. > > A Wiki works (AFAIK, correct me where I might be wrong): someone posts, > others may add comments and/or modify the text. > As you noted, e-mail is still needed for metadiscussion. > > You may note the advantage of the first solution: it does not require > the users to employ two different tools (browser/wiki and e-mail). > > Also, since there is rarely the need to directly modify text written by > someone else, one of the main advantages of a Wiki is somewhat negated. > Actually, I can remember only a single VoP article that was updated by > people who were not the original authors, that is the Sentient Races list. yeah that's why I'm a bit confused about this whole wiki push, most of the articles on the Vaults are single author creations, they aren't collaborations shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:06:43 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Reviving the Tome of Mystara At 04:57 PM 23/08/2004 -0700, you wrote: > Oh, and could somebody please back them all up or mirror them if they have > space? I can't do myself, but I'd sure like to know the resource will > still be out there in the future. I've got a back up of them should the need to make them available via the Vaults become necessary one day. shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:50:30 -0400 From: Donald Eric Kesler Subject: Re: Reviving the Tome of Mystara Hello Carl, If you would send those my way I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance. Regards and Best Wishes, Donald Eric Kesler http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ > From: Carl Quaif > Reply-To: Mystara RPG Discussion > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Reviving the Tome of Mystara > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:30:59 EDT > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from mc8-f38.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.174]) by mc8-s16.hotmail.com > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:43:10 -0700 > Received: from oracle.wizards.com ([209.221.142.150]) by > mc8-f38.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 > 10:43:09 -0700 > Received: from lotus (10.12.8.13) by oracle.wizards.com (LSMTP for Windows > NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0131003C@oracle.wizards.com>; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 > 10:42:21 -0700 > Received: from ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM by ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > release 1.8d) with spool id 39789986 for > MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:31:04 -0700 > Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (205.188.139.137) by oracle.wizards.com > (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id > <0.0130FFE9@oracle.wizards.com>; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:31:02 -0700 > Received: from CQuaif@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id > d.82.14029bd9 (4468) for ; Tue, 24 > Aug 2004 13:30:59 -0400 (EDT) > X-Message-Info: 820stLNiepTrBsKKRBhgLDQ+Q+Rfp5LdPIGIyOr3MZY= > X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 > Message-ID: <82.14029bd9.2e5cd553@aol.com> > Return-Path: owner-mystara-l@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 17:43:10.0130 (UTC) > FILETIME=[D2506120:01C48A01] > > In a message dated 24/08/2004 01:36:46 GMT Daylight Time, > alphatian@MYWAY.COM writes: > > Oh, and could somebody please back them all up or mirror them if they have > space? I can't do myself, but I'd sure like to know the resource will > still be out there in the future. > > > If it helps, I saved each issue to my hard drive as a > separate pdf file for my own use a long time back - I wanted to preserve my > stuff, too - and I'll be happy to send them on to anyone who asks (the six > files > range from 3.4MB down to 527 kB in size, so most email accounts should be > able to cope with them). > > Regards, > > Carl Q. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:16:15 -0400 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Mystara Dutch > > guess what? > > i am interested to know more about those fellows > Geoff... > please, send me a preview.. > > thib Sure thing! Let me dig it out of my files... Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:34:05 -0400 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Mystara Dutch Agathokles wrote: > Very interesting! I assume they could make a good trade partner for > several SC nations. If and when they got into a position where they could deal with the SC nations independently - certainly. Following the timeline (which, based on the first stirrings of interest here, I should probably wrap up in fairly short order), the region inhabited by the Adakaners is currently under Renardois control. Basically, I took 19th century South Africa (minus firearms), exchanged the British East India Company for lupins (working through a mercantile company of their own), and exchanged the native Africans for Oltec-descended natives and lizard man tribes along the coasts. To make a long story short, Renardie learned of the mineral wealth of the region, but, lacking the royal wherewithal to undertake an expedition to survey and take over the land, Louis allowed a bunch of enterprising lupins to do it in his name, in exchange for their remitting to his coffers a large portion of any profits, and having them govern the territory in his name. It didn't turn out to be a bad deal - the king got loads of diamonds and assorted loot, and he could boast of establishing a colony in Davania - something those nasty Bellaynish had yet to do, to say nothing of those dastardly Texeirans and Vilaverdans! To top it off, he didn't even have to commit any of his own troops! :-) That's the gist of it, written according to the writeups I had done of the Adakkian Sound region years back. I need to draft an MA-style entry for it (for those who wish to include it), and I was planning to draw up a map for it using Hexmapper (Thib, if you're willing to help and have time to spare, please let me know). Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:46:06 -0700 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Mystara Dutch I am willing to help. I'll find time to make the map. in fact i think i have already done the region in 24 or even maybe in 8 miles per hex... i just need you to circle the area on a map of mine where you want to put them exactly, and i'll do the zoom up if need be (that is if it it is not already done, and stored somewhere on my pile of back up CDs) Glad to help as always thib --- Geoff Gander wrote: > Agathokles wrote: > > >Very interesting! I assume they could make a good > trade partner for > >several SC nations. > > If and when they got into a position where they > could deal with the SC > nations independently - certainly. Following the > timeline (which, based > on the first stirrings of interest here, I should > probably wrap up in > fairly short order), the region inhabited by the > Adakaners is currently > under Renardois control. Basically, I took 19th > century South Africa > (minus firearms), exchanged the British East India > Company for lupins > (working through a mercantile company of their own), > and exchanged the > native Africans for Oltec-descended natives and > lizard man tribes along > the coasts. To make a long story short, Renardie > learned of the mineral > wealth of the region, but, lacking the royal > wherewithal to undertake an > expedition to survey and take over the land, Louis > allowed a bunch of > enterprising lupins to do it in his name, in > exchange for their remitting > to his coffers a large portion of any profits, and > having them govern the > territory in his name. It didn't turn out to be a > bad deal - the king got > loads of diamonds and assorted loot, and he could > boast of establishing a > colony in Davania - something those nasty Bellaynish > had yet to do, to say > nothing of those dastardly Texeirans and > Vilaverdans! To top it off, he > didn't even have to commit any of his own troops! > :-) > > That's the gist of it, written according to the > writeups I had done of the > Adakkian Sound region years back. I need to draft > an MA-style entry for > it (for those who wish to include it), and I was > planning to draw up a map > for it using Hexmapper (Thib, if you're willing to > help and have time to > spare, please let me know). > > Geoff > > -- > Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 > Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer > Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy > au998@freenet.carleton.ca : > www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ===== Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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