Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 29 Aug 2004 to 30 Aug 2004 (#2004-181) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 31/08/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 517 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. About Mystara Wiki (5) 2. A Mystara Wiki (4) 3. Rough Expanded Darokin Timeline (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:53:21 -0700 From: Keene Hammond Subject: Re: About Mystara Wiki --- Daniele ToTostidadanieleotostiITISCALIT> wrote: > Quitting lurking mode... ;-) Nice! > I think wiwikis very well suited for collaborative > efforts like Net > Almanacs or encyclopedias, because it improves the > development speed and > the subsequent proofreading phase. Just put up a > "limited access" wiwiki> for the people working on those project and, when > the project is > finished, a conversion script from HTML to .txtxtr > .pdpdfould satisfy > all needs of the "normal" users. I think I can set up the security any way we wish, a good security plan works best when it is well thought out, so any ideas are appreciated. Right now it is wide open (anyone, anything, anytime). > About the loss of authority problem raised by the > use of such this tool, > there are solutions are two: a) set up a good policy > with efficient > sanctions (suspension or removal of the right to > write on the wiwiki b) > "trust by reputation", I am sure that we could reach a coconsensusn edetiquettes well, but security must be put in place, if we want to enforce it, otherwise it will be the honor system. > if a person like the author of the NRNRazetteer > corrects the same on the > wiwikithen "ububiamaiorminor cecessat:-) perhaps, admins or moderators, at work we call them smsme) subject matter experts, lolol Ideas? Comments? -Keene _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:10:36 -0700 From: Keene Hammond Subject: Re: A Mystara Wiki --- Francisco Navarro wrote: > Hail MyMystarans > > I think the wiwiki good idea and I will be > contributing one of these > days, particularly to the MyMystaranEncyclopaedia Great, your efforts are appreciated! > One subject matter which I think would do well might > be a MyMystarapell > compendium. ... I think it should include MyMystarapecific > spells from canon > sources, and original contributions, so long as they > are clearly > MyMystarapecific. Yes, good idea. > I think there should be provisions made for if the > spell is in D&D, > AD&D, or 3E format. And the spell entry should > include the origin of > the spell (i.e. GlGlantriAlAlphatiaNiNithiaSiSind > etc.). I agree, the better the cross-references, the better this resource will be. As a rough first attempt try this; hthttp/cecelestialwebndnsaliaset/wiwikiymystaraiWikiyMystarapell+Compendium > I don't know how to go about this. Let us ask the > WiWikiarlock. Is that me? I alway thought of myself as the wandering fool of KaKarameikos. I guess with age comes wisdom or at least that is what I keep telling myself, and then I mumble magic mimissilend shoot myself in the foot. -Keene __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:14:45 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Rough Expanded Darokin Timeline ============================================================ From: Aaron Nowack You know, one could run a really cool campaign in the run-up to the invasion where the players are DDC agents slowly discovering the Hulean threat and then working to thwart Hulean agents spreading dissent and preparing the way for the invasion, all while the superiors back home scoff at the thought that a bunch of desert nomads could seriously threaten the Republic. ============================================================ That is a truly awesome idea. Characters could be led to the other two modules for the exact same reasons. Or, a member inside the DDC had adventured early on in Hule, and knows too much to be directly involved (Hosadus might have some kind of boon on him). So he influences some relatively unknown DDC agents into the path… I am thinking X-Files here, with a mysterious DDC agent always smoking that Autrughin weed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:25:00 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: About Mystara Wiki ============================================================ From: Keene Hammond Ideas? Comments? -Keene ============================================================ I think with all the indexing and links set up, the Mystarapedia is an excellent idea. We would benefit from outside experts being able to supplement their 3e conversions to NPC’s and monsters, timelines that link to alternative interpretations or just alternatives, Almanacs that could be re-visited to expand newer entries, and many more things that would enhance our discussions here. I like the idea. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:28:35 -0700 From: Keene Hammond Subject: Re: A Mystara Wiki > I'm not enough into the Wiki tech to know how a > double way linkpage can > be implemented (it is simple from a theoretical > point of view, though). We can use embedded html to fudge the links, ie... []Some Other Link Name[] These links can be used to link to content from other web sites as well. -Keene __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:59:49 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: A Mystara Wiki Keene Hammond wrote: >> I'm not enough into the Wiki tech to know how a >> double way linkpage can >> be implemented (it is simple from a theoretical >> point of view, though). > > We can use embedded html to fudge the links, ie... Yes, I meant rather how to do automatic indexing (i.e., I add a spell, and link it to the appropriate list of spells of the same level; then I would like that my spell was automatically added to that list). > These links can be used to link to content from other > web sites as well. Yes, that's one thing we could do -- especially for longer descriptions, or simply to provide a commented index of links for certain topics. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:04:56 +0100 From: Daniele Tosti Subject: Re: About Mystara Wiki On 30-Ago-2004, you wrote: > ============================================================ > From: Keene Hammond > > Ideas? Comments? > -Keene > ============================================================ I think with > all the indexing and links set up, the Mystarapedia is an excellent idea. > We would benefit from outside experts being able to supplement their 3e > conversions to NPC s and monsters, timelines that link to alternative > interpretations or just alternatives, Almanacs that could be re-visited to > expand newer entries, and many more things that would enhance our > discussions here. I like the idea. Well, I don't agree. For the 3E conversion there is already another project working on a "net canon" edition of Mystara: it would be a unuseful duplication of efforts. About Almanacs, since they're somewhat "finished" books, the possibility of modifying them after the final release would really confuse the readers. Better use wiki as a groupware tool for building them. I think a Mystarapedia managed along the guidelines used by the "Encyclopedia of Arda" would be a perfect (if not ideal) use for a wiki-like software. Bye Daniele > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > Regards ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:25:41 -0700 From: Keene Hammond Subject: Re: About Mystara Wiki --- Daniele Tosti wrote: > Well, I don't agree. For the 3E conversion there is > already another project > working on a "net canon" edition of Mystara: it > would be a unuseful > duplication of efforts. Perhaps, links to the 3E stats could be added as information is entered and updated. > About Almanacs, since they're somewhat "finished" > books, the possibility > of modifying them after the final release would > really confuse the readers. Yes, maybe something more like a big calendar style index could be created that would link to all of the almanacs together and with other refernces as well. Allowing us to add entries for which there are no existing almanac references already. > Better use wiki as a groupware tool for building > them. Yes a good fit, btw how were the existing almanacs created? > I think a Mystarapedia managed along the guidelines > used by the > "Encyclopedia of Arda" would be a perfect (if not > ideal) use for a > wiki-like software. Wow, cool site! http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm for those that have not seen it. The left nav is a good example and I saw some cool features that could be used to make it more user friendly. Thanks for your comments, -Keene __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:15:44 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: Re: A Mystara Wiki Take a look at our solar car wiki navigation. scg.levels.unisa.edu.au/src/pmwiki.php It's only starting, there is a lot of improvements to be made, but it's far less raw than it was at the very beginning. vini At 11:50 29/8/2004, you wrote: > Francisco Navarro ha scritto: >> >> One subject matter which I think would do well might be a Mystara spell >> compendium. >> >> I think there should be provisions made for if the spell is in D&D, >> AD&D, or 3E format. And the spell entry should include the origin of >> the spell (i.e. Glantri, Alphatia, Nithia, Sind, etc.). >> >> I don't know how to go about this. Let us ask the Wiki Warlock. > > Hi Kit, > > from a technical point of view, an index is simply a list of links. > > Basically, you would need to define a set of "tags", e.g.: > > `1st level spell` > `2nd level spell` > > or: > > `Glantrian magic` > `Alphatian magic` > etc. > > Then, you would use those terms in the spell description, so it will > link to the appropriate page: > > `Sinaria's Soundwave of Power` > (`Glantrian magic`) > `2nd level spell` > > [description should then follow] > > This is the simple part, but you will note that it only works single > way, so as in the Mystarapaedia you have to insert new elements in the > appropriate index pages manually. > I'm not enough into the Wiki tech to know how a double way linkpage can > be implemented (it is simple from a theoretical point of view, though). > > Bye, > GP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:31:03 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: Re: About Mystara Wiki At 15:04 30/8/2004, you wrote: > On 30-Ago-2004, you wrote: > > > ============================================================ > > From: Keene Hammond > > > > Ideas? Comments? > > -Keene > > ============================================================ I think with > > all the indexing and links set up, the Mystarapedia is an excellent idea. > > We would benefit from outside experts being able to supplement their 3e > > conversions to NPC s and monsters, timelines that link to alternative > > interpretations or just alternatives, Almanacs that could be re-visited to > > expand newer entries, and many more things that would enhance our > > discussions here. I like the idea. > > Well, I don't agree. For the 3E conversion there is already another project > working on a "net canon" edition of Mystara: it would be a unuseful > duplication of efforts. What is it? mystara3E@yahoogroups.com ? > About Almanacs, since they're somewhat "finished" books, the possibility > of modifying them after the final release would really confuse the readers. > Better use wiki as a groupware tool for building them. There is always this discussion: "Is a Wiki finishable?". Maybe it just keeps going. OTOH some people think like Daniele i.e. you just BUILD using the Wiki then you consider the job done. If the first is chosen, a good "What's new" section is required. > I think a Mystarapedia managed along the guidelines used by the > "Encyclopedia of Arda" would be a perfect (if not ideal) use for a > wiki-like software. > > Bye > > Daniele What is "Encyclopedia of Arda"? Cheers, vini ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:59:52 -0400 From: Donald Eric Kesler Subject: Re: Rough Expanded Darokin Timeline Hello, Don't forget the Loki factor. That would be a nice feather in Loki's cap if his followers were able to trick the seemingly all knowing DDC. Regards and Best Wishes, Donald Eric Kesler http://www.geocities.com/heroclixleagueofathens/ > Geoff Gander wrote: > > It would make perfect sense. Hule probably supported several of the > petty > > states that arose in the 600s and 700s, and Almarand, being home to a > > branch of the royal house, would have been an irresistible target. > After > > the fall, Hulean spies could have watched the Almarandian Royal Family > in > > exile, and possibly have fed them information and promises of "support" > in > > their claim to the throne. Afterwards, the royal family would be a > > potentially useful pawn. > > I don't know about Hule being involved so early - was the Master even > active during that period? > > Even if he was, I thought Darokin didn't have any real contact with Hule > until the Master took Sind during WotI - hence why Darokin was so > unprepared. > > However, I certainly can see the Master setting up as many puppet > regimes as he can in occupied Darokin during the war, to free up as many > soldiers as possible for the front. > > You know, one could run a really cool campaign in the run-up to the > invasion where the players are DDC agents slowly discovering the Hulean > threat and then working to thwart Hulean agents spreading dissent and > preparing the way for the invasion, all while the superiors back home > scoff at the thought that a bunch of desert nomads could seriously > threaten the Republic. > > -- > > Aaron Nowack > "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." > http://www.mimiru.net/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! 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