Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Sep 2004 to 28 Sep 2004 (#2004-206) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 29/09/2004, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 6 messages totalling 257 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. 2. Illithids and Burrowers (4) 3. church of karameikos ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:52:07 +0200 From: Eyal Subject: I used the illithids as natives of the Dimension of Nightmare, akin to = the brain collectors. Eyal > -----Original Message----- > Citat Automatic digest processor : > =20 > Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > > > > > Illithid > > While Mind Flayers are not canon monsters in OD&D, one of = them > > is found in ``Mark of Amber''. Some people consider this an error, = and > suggest > > that it be replaced with a Brain Collector, as in the original ``X2 > > Castle Amber'' module. Others simply assume that the Illithid in = Mark of > > Amber is a lone explorer from another world. > > In the latter case, one would probably assume that Mind = Flayers > > do not come to Mystara for some specific reasons -- perhaps linked = to > the > > absence (or rarity) of psionics on this world. > > > > References: Mark of Amber. > > > There is another possible reference to the origin of the Mindflayer. = In > Polyhedron issue 100 (1994), there is an article by Bruce Heard: A = Squid's > Eye > View. The article is about this Mindflayer studying alien worlds, in = this > case > the little known Mystara. After reviewing various sources, the = Mindflayer > decides to visit Glantri's Great School of Magic, only to be trapped = upon > arrival. Here it is placed in a large crystal jar with its kobold = servant > for > further study. The article doesn't reveal who trapped it, but it does > reveal > that the creature is alien to the Mystarans, yet not completely = unknwon, > as > they know it is called an illithid and that it posses' powerful = psionic > abilities. > =20 > This might be the source for the Illithid in Mark of Amber. If so, = then it > is a > lone traveller lured here by Glantrian summonings. > =20 > =20 > For now, > Morten Greis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:57:49 -0400 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Illithids and Burrowers Illithids could be a new threat to Mystara. Several immortals not liking the progress the burrowers are making, could enlist the help of several illithids colonists placed near the burrowers to help them along. Of course the illithids will have their own agenda, but the damage they will cause will be all the more glee for those entropics. Imagine the impact several illithids could have on the Hollow World Nithia? I will have to explore this with the Blood Brethren trilogy; throwing an illithid using the situation to its own advantage. Has anyone ever linked the Mind-Flayer to the illithid? Is one just a primitive form of the other? Or a servitor race made in the image of the other? Those illithids just don’t behave nice, nor think like your normal evil doers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:38:55 -0700 From: Boonedale Subject: Re: Illithids and Burrowers --- Chris Cherrington wrote: > Has anyone ever linked the Mind-Flayer to the > illithid? Is one just a primitive form of the > other? Or a servitor race made in the image of the > other? Those illithids just don’t behave nice, nor > think like your normal evil doers. If i remember right there the same race just 2 diffrent names for them as listed in the first edition MM and in secand edition. I dont know about OAD&D though or 3.0/3.5 ===== "Happy Hunting!" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:47:44 -0500 From: Jeff Heikkinen Subject: Re: Illithids and Burrowers Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 9:57:49 AM, Mystara RPG Discussion wrote: CC> Has anyone ever linked the Mind-Flayer to the illithid? Is one just a primitive form of the other? Or a servitor race made in the image of the other? Those illithids just don’t behave nice, CC> nor think like your normal evil doers. They're the same thing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:22:32 +0100 From: Jon Cole Subject: Re: church of karameikos In the game I'm running atm, the Church of K uses all the "Legal" gods mentioned in the Religion of Thyatis bit of DoTE, along with Chardastes cos I like him I didnt base it on anything in any supplement, merely on the description that the CoK was an extension of the (defunct) equivalent in Thyatis - and the desire to give my players a church that supported a wide range of faiths at the beginning :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giampaolo Agosta" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] On that old scourge called canon > Donald Eric Kesler ha scritto: > > Hello, > > > > Could someone tell me where I could find the Bruce Heard article on the > > Church of Karameikos? > > Actually, there's no article, just an answer to a letter, and all it > says is that the pantheon of the CoK is composed of Asterius, Vanya, > Valerias, Kagyar and Ilsundal. > > Chardastes, as I said, was linked to the CoK in a B module, IIRC. > However, Havard says he was then moved to the CoT (which I also believe > is his correct place) -- does anyone have a precise reference for this? > > > Someone mentioned that they could not see Valerias as being part of the COK > > Pantheon because of her chaotic nature. While it is true that she is > > chaotic, I think that many mortals could easily relate to her message of > > passion and love. After all, affairs of the heart are often chaotic. > > That's true. Still, I can't see her as an official patron of a lawful > church, especially one with the philosophy of the CoK. > > > In fact, I would imagine that the firey Traladarans would be far more > > attracted to this diety than to the more sedate Immortals like Asterius. > > In fact, that was one reason to exclude her: the Traladaran are not > generally attracted to the CoK. > > GP > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:31:43 +0100 From: Jon Cole Subject: Re: Illithids and Burrowers It's cool that this just came up as.. Basically in the game I started a month or two ago, I've placed Mystara at the beginnging old AD&D time - the era of the Mindflayer dimensional empire, the Githyanki rebellion, the time where the Gods evolved (ie the immortals etc.) At the time that the Beagle crashed it was surveying the region looking for Illithid presence - it didnt find them, but did find a client state run by the Kopru (partly as a justification of why the Kopru are in the 3rd ed MM) Then things went a bit wrong and they crashed Ho hum Not terribly relevant, but its interesting to hear the occasional references to Illithids in the setting, rather than the all pervading presence they have in the Old AD&D campaign settings Jonll ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cherrington" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Illithids and Burrowers > Illithids could be a new threat to Mystara. Several immortals not liking the progress the burrowers are making, could enlist the help of several illithids colonists placed near the burrowers to help them along. Of course the illithids will have their own agenda, but the damage they will cause will be all the more glee for those entropics. Imagine the impact several illithids could have on the Hollow World Nithia? I will have to explore this with the Blood Brethren trilogy; throwing an illithid using the situation to its own advantage. > > Has anyone ever linked the Mind-Flayer to the illithid? Is one just a primitive form of the other? Or a servitor race made in the image of the other? Those illithids just don't behave nice, nor think like your normal evil doers. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Sep 2004 to 28 Sep 2004 (#2004-206) ****************************************************************