Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 11 Oct 2004 to 12 Oct 2004 (#2004-218) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 13/10/2004, 18:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 5 messages totalling 422 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Mystara 3E Site Has Moved 2. Stronghollow Dwarves 3. Annals of the Denwarf Dwarven Clans (2) 4. Elemental Immortals ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:06:43 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: The Mystara 3E Site Has Moved --- Jennifer Merrifield wrote: > I'm glad you think so. I was hoping that by doing > this, plus providing a place for other sits and > interesting news, it would add some more value to > the Mystara community. I think it adds alot of value to the Mystara community. If we had lost these sites it would have been a tragedy. And having them tied together by a hub site like this is awesome! :) > You could actually set something like that > yourself since you & Shawn are also administrators > on the hub site. But as I happen to be poking about > the site anyway, I'll set it up now. ☺ Reading your other mail, I'm guessing that was for Herve, right? ;) > By the way - what's the ZGG? I've not heard that > acronym before. Zeitgeist Games, the publishers of D20 Blackmoor. Although there are no specific references to Mystara in the new d20 Blackmoor sourcebook, I have been in contact with the ZGG people over the last two years(+) pushing for making Blackmoor compatible with Mystara. Not sure if I should take the credits for it, but there are alot of hints towards Mystara in the book. I mentioned the ZGG forum because it is a good place to discuss the Blackmoor/Mystara connection. At least a few people from the MML also hangout at those boards (Cthulhurew, Sheridan, Ecthellion and me). Check out www.zeitgeistgames.com for more. By the way, if someone thinks I'm plugging ZGG alot lately, then no, I am not on their payroll ;) Håvard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:34:57 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Stronghollow Dwarves --- Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > I did a write up of Stronghollow history and > culture, > if anyone is interested... Ofcourse we are :) Håvard ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:37:32 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Annals of the Denwarf Dwarven Clans Nice writeup Giulio, I like having dwarven names for all of the clans. I think I came up with something different for the Stronghollow than you, adding some suffix or other, but your version works aswell. Keep it up :) Håvard --- la Volpe skrev: > ANNALS OF THE DENWARF DWARVES > (Note: "Rockhome" will always be called "Dengar" in > the following article) > > Since the Dwarves risked the extinction due to the > Great Rain of Fire's backdrops, to plagues and > invasions, Dwarves have become obsessed by > genealogies > and chronicles. Miniaturers and cronists are > considered important artisans, and respected > especially since their duty is to keep the history > of > all families and Clans alive. > > Every family, and every Clan, has its own > genealogists, that are always in touch with each > other > to update those books that are collectively known as > the "Annals of the Dwarven Clans". > The "Annals" document exaustively all Dwarves that > belong to the Eighteen Denwarf Clans, their dates of > birth, death, their parents, their children and > their > marriages. Family genealogists must report every > change to Clan genealogists, and these must report > changes to the genealogists that have the duty to > update and protect the original "Annals", located in > the city of Dengar, so that the "Annals" are > constantly updated. It is expected that Dwarves > outside the Clans always send regularly information > to > their family and Clan. If a Dwarf disappears, and > nothing is known about him for a long time period, > it's nearly always because he is no more capable of > writing - and this means imprisonment or death. > > The "Book of Clans" contains the Register of Clans, > and the name of all families that belong to each > Clan, > plus the change of Clan of families from one to > another, and the informations related to the > creation > of new Clans. > > According to dwarven genealogists, a group of > dwarven > families may be considered a Clan if and only if > they > are in charge of a Forge of Power. In AC 1000, there > 18 Clans in charge of a Forge of Power. They are: > > 1.EVERAST ("high mountain") > 2.SKARRAD (from skyrrad, "forge") > 3.TORKREST ("strong teeth") > (the three original Denwarf Clans of Dengar, 1800 > BC) > > 4.SYRKLIST ("the colour of a silver plate just > cleaned and exposed to the light") > (formed in Dengar, 1323 BC) > 5.HURWARF ("born in the depths") > (formed in Dengar, 1089 BC) > > 8.BUHRODAR (from buhrod-hrodar "order of the golden > battle") > (formed in Dengar, 287 BC) > 11.WYRWARF ("born to eat") > (formed in Dengar, 803 BC) > > 6.TORDAL §("strong hollow") > (formed in Highforge, Karameikos, around 450 BC) > > 7.MAKREST §("broken teeth") > (formed in Buhrohur, Thyatis, Ist century AC) > > 9.DENKRES §§("longtooth") > (formally established in AC 400, in Kildarkok > ("stormhaven"), Norwold; colony of Kildarkok founded > in AC 386) > > 10.BARRAD * ("blonde iron") > (formally established around AC 400-425; twin Clan > of > Denkres; founded Borneth’k’rak,twin colony of > Kildarkok,AC 391) > > 12.WURKREST * ("wyrmsteeth") > (formed in Wyrmsteeth, Norwold, around AC 800) > > 13.TAKKRAS ** (?) > (formed near Arcadia, Norwold, AC 828) > > 14.DUGER (? - from dulgar, "house in the deep") > 15.HEWER (?) > 16.HAMMAR ***("hammer") > 17.RAK ***("stronghold") > (formed in Minrothad, around AC 850-900) > > 18.HURGON > (formed in Alphatia, around AC 950) > > § Clans Tordal and Makrest appear respectively in > Gaz1 > with name "Stronghollow", and in DotE without name. > §§Clan Denkres appear without name in CM1; their > city > is named "Stormhaven"; translated to dwarven > "Kildarkok" in Mystaran Almanac. > * Clans Barrad and Wurkrest: non-canonic, see Giulio > N. Caroletti, "History of the Dwarven Race", parts > still unpublished. > **Clan Takkras: non-canonic, see Mystaran Almanac > ***Clans Hammar and Rak appear in Gaz9 with names > "Hammer" and "Stronghold". > > The "Genealogies of the Clan" are eighteen > encyclopedias, one for each Clan. There is a copy > for > every family belonging to the Clan. They are updated > regularly and with great precision. When all the > Dwarves of a volume are dead, the volume is hidden > in > a secret and safe place, but a place that can be > reached easily; generally, inside the family or Clan > stronghold. Thus, there are always more than five > hundred copies of the family registers, regularly > updated, in order to preserve always the origin of > Dwarves, their families, and their genealogies. > > A copy of the "Annals of the Kings" (see > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/html/dwrfking.html) > is preserved in each Clan's strongholds; they detail > the list of Kings of Dengar, and of the Kings and > Clan > Masters of all Clans outside Dengar. > > The original "Annals of the Kings", esquisitely > decorated in gold, a marvelous example of dwarven > art > and writing, are kept in the Everast Stronghold in > the > city of Dengar. > > Last but not least, a Denwarf dwarf always learns > all > his direct genealogy, both on his father's and his > mother's part, until his/her first progenitors at > the > time of King Denwarf. An official presentation among > dwarves is always a very long affair, as they > mention > al their ascendency. To ease things, generally > Dwarves > learn only all males of his/her father's line, and > all > females of his/her mother's line - so a dwarv could > say: "I am Thoric, son of Reghar son of Dwalinn son > of > Bifin son of Thrain son of Thoric son of Reghar, and > of Bifia daughter of Nais daughter of Bifia daughter > of Syhar daughter of Ois daughter of Waldris. > > More often than not, a Denwarf dwarf knows also very > well the history and ramifications of his family up > to > the fifth degree of relationship - this often means > learn to know and recognize more than a hundred > names > and people. > > > > > > ___________________________________ > Nuovo Yahoo! 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Now I've better return to writing the Thyatis events for the Almanac, or Hervè will start using the whip again...and it still hurts since the last time...8-) Giulio ___________________________________ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica… Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:34:21 +0800 From: Francisco Navarro Subject: Re: Elemental Immortals Actually, I think Terra's Path to Immortality ("the Terra thing") would=20= actually fit in this pretty well. Most elemental beings have their entire existence and consciousness=20 limited to their respective elemental plane. Even the most powerful and=20= enlightened of elementals--those who have risen through the hierarchy=20 and become Elemasters--have the same limited elemental consciousness. Terra however was a different matter. She realized the supreme=20 importance of not being limited to the elemental consciousness and saw=20= the quintessential significance of the fusion of the elements. (She=20 probably pondered such existential elemental questions as "Do the=20 Elemental Planes comprise the Prime? Or does the Prime create the=20 Elemental Planes?") Thus, Terra, instead of pursuing the more common,=20 elemental version of Immortality (becoming an Elemaster), she did the=20 more difficult thing and sought Immortality on the Prime Plane. Perhaps she was already on the path of becoming an Elemaster, but this=20= does not matter. The other earth elementals, especially the=20 high-ranking ones in the hierarchy, must have thought her crazy to=20 abandon the conventional path (and we know how rigid these earth=20 elementals can be in their thinking!), but later on, when she did=20 achieve Immortality in the Prime, must have gained a grudging respect=20 of her. At one time or another, the reigning Earth Elemaster may have=20 been a proud mentor, a jealous rival, or an awe-struck fan of one of=20 their own kind joining the ranks of the true Immortals. Ironically, while Terra may be considered quite a maverick among the=20 earth elemental hierarchy, the Immortals of Pandius think of her very=20 much as a predictable, stodgy, "rock-head" with a very elemental way of=20= thinking. Kit Navarro Mystaran Metaphysic On 8 Oct, 2004, at 6:24 PM, Havard Faanes wrote: > --- Ville V L=E4hde skrev: > >> Concerning the discussion on the nature of the >> Immortals, we should >> remember the ones whose origins are not in the Prime >> Plane - the Elemental >> Immortals. If my memory serves me correctly, such >> beings were mentioned >> in the pre-WotI products. >> Has WotI - essentially a rewrite of all things >> concerning Immortals - hung >> on to this concept, Immortals not from Prime Plane? > > The Menzter Rulebooks had the Elemental Rulers who > were IIRC not immortals, and then the Elemaster's who > were immortal rules of each elemental plane. > > WotI makes no mention of this, but states that the > immortal Terra was originally an earth elemental. > > My old theory was that the elemental planes had > different rules from that of the prime plane. > Elementals on the elemental planes could achive > immortality by advancing in the elemental hierarchy, > eventually becoming Elemasters, but to do so, they > would have to defeat the current elemaster. That > system would limit the number of elemental immortals, > but provide more power to the Elemasters since they > controlled each of the elemental planes. this meshes > well with Mentzers idea about the Immortals having to > strike bargains with th Elemasters in order to bring > more fire, water, earth etc to their own home planes. > > The Terra thing doesn't fit very well with this, > though. But perhaps she quested for immortality on the > prime plane rather than on the elemental plane of > earth? Her description in WotI might contradict that > though, I'm not sure... ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 11 Oct 2004 to 12 Oct 2004 (#2004-218) ****************************************************************