Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 5 Nov 2004 to 8 Nov 2004 (#2004-242) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 09/11/2004, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 6 messages totalling 202 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Rise of Orisis (2/2) 2. Blackmoor d20 3. Glantri circa 493 (4) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:29:58 -0800 From: DM Subject: Re: The Rise of Orisis (2/2) At Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:18:40 +0100, la Volpe wrote: > Three questions: > > 1) Weresnakes? Never heard about them. In which > product (Mystaran or not) are they found? They're not Mystaran "official" monsters, but they are featured in AD/D MCs. I thought it was interesting to have them being the offspawn of Setis (Mystaran version of Set), as well as medusae. According to this story, Orisis's curse made Bachraeus the first medusa, while the dark magics of Demogorgon and the lost lizardkin civilization Bachraeus found beneath Nithia turned him into a powerful weresnake, thus becoming Setis, first of his own kind. Since there are so many breeds of werebeasts, weresnakes are just another addition (not stranger than werebadgers actually ;)) > 2) Is the name Mitras present in some Canon product, > or did you come up with it? I came up with it, partly inspired by the RW Persian figure of Mithras and the RW Egyptian character of Horus. > 3) Cheimos plays the role of an Egyptian God in the > legend of Osiris and Isis: which one? Actually no, Cheimos is just "a wise and powerful magist and court counselor" during the reign of Orisis and Maat, but plays no role as "Egyptian god". He may have later founded a secret cult in Nithia too, but he was never a recognized deity. A side note: I didn't use the "official" Egyptian names for the Nithian gods I added because I kept in line with canon Mystara material that "mimicked" these names without using them. Thus Thoth is Thothys (Ssu-ma's identity in Nithia), Set is Setis, etc.. Just Maat stays like that because that was originally an official immortal in old rulebooks. Thanks for the comments Giulio ;) DM __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:23:46 EST From: Greg Pratt Subject: Re: Blackmoor d20 In a message dated 11/2/2004 12:35:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, dustin@ZEITGEISTGAMES.COM writes: > >>Just out of curiosity, apart from the obvious creation > >>of the Blackmoor web page on Haavard's part, what did > >>you contribute to this product? I'm probably not as well known (as I tend to lurk on the list), but I too was listed in the thanks (Gregory Pratt). I had almost forgotten sending the information off. When the request went out to the list awhile back, I sat down and spent some time going through my Mystara products for any reference to Blackmoor and compiling it into a list. It was a pleasant surprise to see my name in print (and showing it to my daughter who is just learning to play was fun). Thanks Dustin! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:00:52 -0000 From: Jon Cole Subject: Glantri circa 493 Can anyone let me know what was going on in the Glantri region / the NW plateau in ~ 500AC, especially in reference to what cultures were actually there? Cheers Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:33:23 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Glantri circa 493 Lets see, the Flaems arrive in 395, five years later they discover the Alphatians beat their arrival in the east and have established an empire. In 450 they build Braejr, their capital. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:43:26 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Glantri circa 493 The elves and other humans don't arrive for another 300 years. There are several battles between the Flaem and Ethengars. So there might be some Ethengars, ancestors to the prince? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:44:14 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: Re: Glantri circa 493 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-684387517-1099986254=:11645 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT You can find Andrew Thiesen's "Fairly Complete Glantri Timeline" in the Vaults under Resources --> History. It's fairly sketchy on the period, although it suggests that the events in the dragonlord novels could be placed there (I've never even seen them, so cannot comments). There is also a suggestion that at least remnants of some Sheayllia elven colonies might be there. I glanced through Daniel's Complete timeline, and came up with these ideas: In the canon sources the first skirmishes between the Flaems and the Ethengarians are placed around 595. So maybe it would be a good idea to have the relationship around 493 be more diverse, with trading etc. also taking place. The relations might deteriorate slowly due to many reasons. In the Glantrian Gazetteer, there are some indications of the early Flaem culture in the story of the history lesson in the School of Magic. Human sacrifices and such things... The humanoids of the Broken lands were stronger during that peroid, having just been thrown out of the Darokin territory. So I'd presume that 1) the Flaems would have to battle them periodically and 2) diplomats of the Darokinian kings would be opening up the diplomatic relations that would lead to the Darokinian-Flaem joint operations of early 500's (525 for example). But around 493 I' think that the Flaems would be farily isolated from their southern neighbours - except the Orcs of Sitting Drool, of course. It might be that the first lycantropic groups that were dispersed around arrived in the "Highlands" during these years? Also, one should remember that Thyatis and Alphatia both have a strong presence on the mainland, beginning to struggle over Alasiya. Their diplomats and traders would be present much more than around 1000 AC. I wouldn't rule out dwarven mining explorations, since it is implicit in the later historical events, that dwarves played a major part in the birth of the gold rush. Around 493 the emnity of dwarves towards mages hadn't yet grown. Incidentally, some time in the future I'll be playing a few sessions during that period in my pre-500AC sub-campaign. I've been wondering about the same things. So if you come up with something good, drop me a few lines, would you? ******************************************************* Ville Lähde University of Tampere Department of Mathematics, Statistics and Philosophy 33014 Tampere, Finland phone: (work) 03 215 7573 (home) 040 7776772 email: Ville.V.Lahde@uta.fi http://www.uta.fi/laitokset/mattiet/filosofia/lahde.htm ******************************************************* ---559023410-684387517-1099986254=:11645-- ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 5 Nov 2004 to 8 Nov 2004 (#2004-242) **************************************************************