Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 Feb 2004 to 3 Feb 2004 (#2004-30) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 04/02/2004, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 873 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Query on Paladin in Mystara (2) 2. Paladins, and an interpretation of Mystara (long) 3. Paladins, and an interpretation of Mystara 4. tets 5. Mailinglist Question (2) 6. Mailinglist site (was: [MYSTARA] Mailinglist Question) (2) 7. mailing list info for Havard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:32:29 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Query on Paladin in Mystara 3) Defender. This is an holy warrior, but very generic. It is basically > an AD&D conversion of Paladin/Avenger/Druidic Knight of OD&D. This one > can be found nearly everywhere on Mystara: any Immortal can have > Defenders, and they are appropriate to savage cultures as well (e.g. > Orcish Defenders of Kaarash in the Orc's Head, Druidic Defenders in > Robrenn, Defenders of Ilsundal in Eusdria, etc.). > The SC book allows, IIRC, Defender Paladins, but I don't think it's a > good idea. IMC, I also use the "defender" type and therefore Paladins are common (even more common than the fighting cleric types!). But if you use AD&D (at least the 3rd edition one)in your game there is no reason why paladins won't be the same as OD&D defenders. What might get in the way is the ethos and spell list which seem at first glance to only go with the western ideals of law and goodness. but if you look at the spells for instence the only thing that makes them "good" is that they are related to a good deity (there is nothing good about "protection from evil", "magic weapon" etc). So if you invent a few relegious limitations to go with each immortal (or each sphere or each alignment) you can have a balanced paladin PC who is not Good. I agree that the defender is a more suitable "type" for Mystara but if you bend the rulles a bit you can use a AD&D paladin to fit the role. BTW- I am back. Morphail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:47:26 +0100 From: Morten Greis Subject: Re: Paladins, and an interpretation of Mystara (long) Citat "N. M." : > Alright, Mystarans, > > > This game would be set in Mystara, but though my players were all familiar > with AD&D, the campaign settings they were familiar with were Forgotten > Realms and Greyhawk. None of them had ever downshifted (ahem) to the > Basic Set, Expert Set, etc. And none of them were familiar with Mystara > either. > > So I had to draw up a summary of the Mystara setting that would give it > a unique angle (i.e., sell it to them), and point out the differences > between Mystara and the other D&D settings. > > One thing I really struggled with was the unique angle. Mystara and Greyhawk > both have obvious parallels, and Forgotten Realms was a pastiche of > something from everything. > > I've included the introduction to the summary, sorry about the length. > It contains my own little spin on the setting, but it's just my > interpretation > of Mystara for the 21st Century. > [snip] > > Cheers, > > nemarsde Hi Nemarsde Recently I had to introduce some players to Mystara also, they primarily familiar with Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance. So what I did was to briefly, just very briefly introduce them to Mystara. I started the campaign in year 1000; told them that there are no halfelves, no darkelves (but I didn't tell about the Shadowelves, nor about Hollow World), that the gods are called immortals and such stuff and then had them begin in the distant most reaches of Norworld to isolate them as much as possible from nearest civilizations. The character were locals of northern Norworld, got involved with an Alphatian wizards schemings and as a result were thrown into a vortex and ended up in Yavdlom. The plan was to introduce them to Mystara (without the players guessing it before hand) by having them to travel through major parts of the Known World. Instead of caring about explaining the background I'm touring all the major nations and then some. In each place I make sure they meet the natives, hear about their culture, their immortals and let them experience what makes this or that place unique. At every place they experience a strange custom, get to change their coins to local coinage, pick up maps of the region and perhaps see the use of localized spells. When they sailed along the coasts of the Atruaghin Plateau, the Minrothad Merchant told them about the strange people hidden in the woods worshipping wooden poles etc., the kind of information that a traveller might have told about the American natives in the 16th cent. When they passed the shores of Darokin, all the Minrothads were in a symbolic and traditional manner cursing the land, ofcourse prompting questions from the players. Nearing the Shires required halfling pirates - this came as a serious surprise for the players, they hadn't expected that coming up. In Ierendi the harbor were blocked due to the Celebration of the Sea festival. In Karameikos they experienced the tensions between 'disciplined' Thyatians and 'superstitious' Traladarans and in the Thyatian Empire, they saw what real decadence were (and in the capitol got to meet travellers from all over the Empire), besides being at the right spot during Vanya's Day. Right now they are travelling along the shores of Ylaruam (which will be experinced from three different points of view: the cosmopolitic Ylari living in a mixture of Ylari and Thyatian culture, the impoverished, xenophobic and somewhat nomadic livestyle and finally they will experience the Exotic and alien part of the Ylari culture with vague remnants of the Nithian culture) - later they will meet Heldann pirates trying to ally with individual Ostlandic chieftains in an attempt to drive the Heldann knights away etc. As a rule of thumb I make sure they the players either experience or hear about a latent conflict or unique situation in every country (in Minrothad they were told, that the dwarven colony is made up of emigrants from Glantri; in Thyatis they arrived when a Thyatian general was parading his Hinterland prisoners in a huge parade during Vanya's Day; in Sind they wen't on Safari to see a tiger; they heard about the Thyatian-Alphatian Wars, about the Retebius airfleet (and got to see some of them parading) and Alphatian airships etc.). It is ofcourse timeconsuming way to introduce the players to Mystara this way, but you get to introduce them to almost all the nations bordering the Sea of Dreadd. The absence of Red Wizards, Zentarim and other 'nations of evil' or evil societies has been an important aspect, as well as the absence of supremely powerful wizards coming up and saving the day has also been stressed (though in an indirect manner). Sorry about the lenght of my letter, but there were just so much to Mystara to tell about. It is really simple and most of the time you don't have to worry about drawing up dungeons and scenarios, in a journey like this there is an adventure in simply visiting the places and worrying about which captain is the most honest to travel with - the Ostlandic pirate, the Thyatian slavetrader, the Minrothaddian Seaelf, the jolly Ierendian explorers or the Ylari traders? How this made some sense of how to introduce Mystara in an alternate way. Cheers, Morten Greis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:52:37 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Paladins, and an interpretation of Mystara welcome! I loved the way you described Mystara. I liked especialy the part how immortality and magic sprang out of a non magical world (an alternative universe to earth). Ordana is another imortal that awakened into consiousness and later into immortality (and she was a PLANT!)so this process could have happened several times. this also raises and issue about Lattere (dimension of myth, a world even more similar to our own, home to the original d'Ambervilles that originated in CA Smiths novels). Maybe that world is another alternative reality in which Ka died, and therefor immortality never evolved. In this world mortals gained magic by themselves (without divine magic) but only on rare occasions. That is why that world is even more similar to our own. Another thing, do you think that Ka the Perserver stopped the tactonic plates from moving and thats why Mystara looks the way it is (or simply it is still in that geological timeframe and evolotion went faster?). I like the first option. Ka was worried of the changing landscape... his beloved Gondowana was going to be split apart and some of it was getting awfully close to the south pole... Morphail --- "N. M." wrote: > Alright, Mystarans, > >> So I had to draw up a summary of the Mystara setting > that would give it a > unique angle (i.e., sell it to them), and point out > the differences between > Mystara and the other D&D settings. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:24:32 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: tets just testing, sorry ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:32:52 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Query on Paladin in Mystara Ohad Shaham (Morphail) wrote: Welcome back, Ohad! >> 3) Defender. This is an holy warrior, but very >> generic. It is basically >> an AD&D conversion of Paladin/Avenger/Druidic Knight > > IMC, I also use the "defender" type and therefore > Paladins are common (even more common than the > fighting cleric types!). But if you use AD&D (at least > the 3rd edition one)in your game there is no reason > why paladins won't be the same as OD&D defenders. Sorry, I mostly meant AD&D2e Paladins, which really fit only case (2), due to the ethical restrictions (lawful good, must tithe, etc.) I don't know how 3e treats its Paladins, but given the multiclassing rules, also Fighter/Clerics (2:1 ratio, e.g.) could apply as Defender/OD&D Paladin replacements (consider that the OD&D Paladin has no special powers except spells and TU). Bye, GP -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:44:41 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Mailinglist Question How do I avoid getting the confirmation message every time I send a message to the list? I remember doing it when I was subrscribed from my old account, but now I cant remember. Thanks! Havard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 05:15:51 -0800 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Mailinglist Question just check starflung site and look for the MML section it's explained there thib --- Havard Faanes wrote: > How do I avoid getting the confirmation message > every > time I send a message to the list? I remember doing > it > when I was subrscribed from my old account, but now > I > cant remember. > > Thanks! > > Havard > > ______________________________________________________ > Få den nye Yahoo! 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I figured out the settings, but noticed that the official mailinglist site, to which there are links at starflung is gone! :( Havard ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:36:49 -0800 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Mailinglist site (was: [MYSTARA] Mailinglist Question) sorry i'll search in my savings. but if i remember correctly, you just needed to send a mail with "no ack" (no aknowledgement for your own messages) the only thing is that i am not sure to what adress tou should send the mail i'll look into it at home, i've done it recently, i should still have the answering mail see you --- Havard Faanes wrote: > --- Thibault Sarlat skrev: > > just check starflung site and look for the MML > > section > > it's explained there > > Thanks! > I figured out the settings, but noticed that the > official mailinglist site, to which there are links > at > starflung is gone! :( > > Havard > > ______________________________________________________ > Få den nye Yahoo! 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