Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 5 Feb 2004 to 6 Feb 2004 (#2004-33) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 07/02/2004, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 13 messages totalling 716 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Back from the "No World" (8) 2. WE can make a difference (4) 3. WE can make a difference (offlist) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:40:32 -0200 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: Back from the "No World" Hi, Mystaran friends. I'm vini, from Brazil, and I'm back to the list. I can't explain why it took so long and I don't even remember why the hell I quit. I think I had e-mail problems at the time but that would not be enough reason for such big thing: levaing the BEST list in the whole Internet. Yes, "feel free to feel flattered", folks. Before knowing you guys, I gave that title to comp.ai.games, but you guys are "hours concours", totally broke the record. I've been reading the msgs here before (re)introducing myself and I've seen the same (good) old fellas around: smart, sensitive, creative and passionate people. You are the ones who don't let the dream die. I have worked in places where we got PAID to act as a team and yet we were not as close as united as you gys here. Thank you all for that. For the young people (well, younger then myself, who am 29); there is no "undo"in life, people! I wish I could take my action back, I could have been those 3(?) years(!!!) in the list. I am even willing to get 10 years older ;-) but there is no such thing. Well, "carpe diem". Enough of drama. Nice "talking" to you all. Thanks for still hanging around. vinimagus, 10-th level Wild Mage, RPG player since 1992 and Mystara DM since 1994 (I started writing here as a 6-th level Wild Mage, then quit the list as a 9-th level Wild Mage; only ONE level in over 3 years??? Folks, I need to play more... bad news we, common people, work to much) :-) PS: If you Brazilian guys (Tzimisce and the other one) are still in the list, please write me a PVT msg so we can talk to do the works for our Immortal MYSTARA here in Brazil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:11:43 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" Welcome back Vini, and many thanks to your compliments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:15:53 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" Welcome back to the list Vinni! :) Its always good seeing people come back. I think ill stick around here for the next ten or twenty years. Hell, I think i'm here for life! So how big is/was Mystara in Brazil? It seems like Mystara, relatively speaking has a really wide fan base geographically, possibly because of the early and widespread translations of OD&D. Anyways, the more the merrier, right? :) Havard --- "Vinicius R. de Moraes" skrev: > Hi, Mystaran friends. > I'm vini, from Brazil, and I'm back to the list. > > I can't explain why it took so long and I don't even > remember why the hell > I quit. I think I had e-mail problems at the time > but that would not be > enough reason for such big thing: levaing the BEST > list in the whole Internet. > > Yes, "feel free to feel flattered", folks. Before > knowing you guys, I gave > that title to comp.ai.games, but you guys are "hours > concours", totally > broke the record. I've been reading the msgs here > before (re)introducing > myself and I've seen the same (good) old fellas > around: smart, sensitive, > creative and passionate people. You are the ones who > don't let the dream > die. I have worked in places where we got PAID to > act as a team and yet we > were not as close as united as you gys here. Thank > you all for that. > > For the young people (well, younger then myself, who > am 29); there is no > "undo"in life, people! I wish I could take my action > back, I could have > been those 3(?) years(!!!) in the list. I am even > willing to get 10 years > older ;-) but there is no such thing. Well, "carpe > diem". > > Enough of drama. > > Nice "talking" to you all. Thanks for still hanging > around. > > vinimagus, 10-th level Wild Mage, RPG player since > 1992 and Mystara DM > since 1994 > (I started writing here as a 6-th level Wild Mage, > then quit the list as a > 9-th level Wild Mage; only ONE level in over 3 > years??? Folks, I need to > play more... bad news we, common people, work to > much) :-) > > PS: If you Brazilian guys (Tzimisce and the other > one) are still in the > list, please write me a PVT msg so we can talk to do > the works for our > Immortal MYSTARA here in Brazil. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ===== *** Håvard R. Faanes havardfaa@yahoo.no www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa ______________________________________________________ Få den nye Yahoo! Messenger på http://no.messenger.yahoo.com/ Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:34:33 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > Hi, Mystaran friends. > I'm vini, from Brazil, and I'm back to the list. Hi! Welcome back! > Yes, "feel free to feel flattered", folks. Before knowing you guys, I gave > that title to comp.ai.games, but you guys are "hours concours", totally > broke the record. I've been reading the msgs here before (re)introducing > myself and I've seen the same (good) old fellas around: smart, sensitive, > creative and passionate people. Thanks. We're a bit less active these days, perhaps, but we're still here :) Ah... I still remember my first post (http://dnd.starflung.com/malinois.html) back in 1998! Bye, GP -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:19:06 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" Gosh...I have been on this list since 1999...and I must confess that this list is responsible for part of the loss of hours and hours of studying (the other thing is women - sorry if it seems sexist and stupid, it's not, believe me - when you're out of love and luck, some become workoholics, I become apathetic), diverted to the studying of Mystara instead of that of Physics...well, what the hell, it's FUN... Giulio N. Caroletti aka Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:54:27 -0200 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" At 12:15 06/02/2004, you wrote: > Welcome back to the list Vinni! :) Thanks to you guys, Chris, Havard, Giampaolo, everyone. It's nice to know that people will still be reading this along the next hours due to the many different hours of day involved: guys from Europe, USA, CAN, AUS, NZ... AUZ is a large island on the east*, right? It reminds me of something very Mystaran... ;-) * Well, at least the Europe-centered maps say so... anyway, from Brazil, we fly to the WEST to AUS. :) Anyway, I mean Shawn and Chris Furneaux WILL still read this. And after you, but sooner than you DID. Go reckon... :-O > Its always good seeing people come back. I think ill > stick around here for the next ten or twenty years. > Hell, I think i'm here for life! Same here. If I stop writing, play for my soul. Better yet, pray for me to become a powerful Immortal so I can sponsor you guys. > So how big is/was Mystara in Brazil? At this time (I'm still coming back) the other 2 guys (are they still around? I remember Tzimisce really was into Mystara) are more capable to answer that. For the future, I hope I can make a difference. But I'll write avout that in a separate msg, called "WE can make a difference". > It seems like Mystara, relatively speaking has a really wide fan base > geographically That's because of US, my precious. ;-) And we must keep it that way. > possibly because of the early and widespread translations of OD&D. Funny... we only had translated material here since 1995, I think. In the USPCon 1995 (see the other msg) I used during the entire event a shirt with the sayings that, translated to English, would be something like: "AD&D in Portuguese, stay tuned!". Then "Abril Editors" started translating AD&D2E, but only the core books. Later, Mystara ("Karameikos: KoA" and, maybe, Glantri, I can't remember) and that FR book taht has Gandalf.. oops... Elminster dressed ni a red rob, smoking Old Tobby, oops... very, very creative. Hence, we had NO OD&D in Portuguese. At all. And none in English, as well. And worse, no AD&D 1E, AD&D 2Eduring the 80's and even during the early 90's. So how the hell we had OD&D/AD&D in Brazil? Heroically! A couple of guys went to the US, brought the core books, which were *extensively* copied (black turned to dark grey, then to medium grey, light grey etc...). I myself bought my core books in august, 1994 on the 5th Ave, NY. Then the RPG started growing (1995, 1996), some imported material started appearing at "Devir Book Shop" (the only RPG books importer) - and vanishing from the shelves very quickly. I got "Player's Survival Kit", "DM's Survival Kit", "Hail the Heroes", "Night of the Vampire", "Karameikos: KoA", but never have been able to buy "Glantri: KoM". Not even now. Devir started translating more Vampire (darn it! Vampires are *XP*, not PCs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) than AD&D2E, what brought all the newbies to Vampire's side. Then we have MANY Vampire players. Even some oldies turned their backs at D&D!!!!! Pelase tell me, has taht happened in your countries as well, fellas? Next year, the international person it was nor Arneson, nor Gygax but Mark Rein-Hagen. Pity... The other year? Mr. Adkison. Good. > Anyways, the more the merrier, right? :) > > Havard I'll struggle towards that. vini > --- "Vinicius R. de Moraes" > skrev: > Hi, Mystaran friends. > > I'm vini, from Brazil, and I'm back to the list. > > > > I can't explain why it took so long and I don't even > > remember why the hell > > I quit. I think I had e-mail problems at the time > > but that would not be > > enough reason for such big thing: levaing the BEST > > list in the whole Internet. > > > > Yes, "feel free to feel flattered", folks. Before > > knowing you guys, I gave > > that title to comp.ai.games, but you guys are "hours > > concours", totally > > broke the record. I've been reading the msgs here > > before (re)introducing > > myself and I've seen the same (good) old fellas > > around: smart, sensitive, > > creative and passionate people. You are the ones who > > don't let the dream > > die. I have worked in places where we got PAID to > > act as a team and yet we > > were not as close as united as you gys here. Thank > > you all for that. > > > > For the young people (well, younger then myself, who > > am 29); there is no > > "undo"in life, people! I wish I could take my action > > back, I could have > > been those 3(?) years(!!!) in the list. I am even > > willing to get 10 years > > older ;-) but there is no such thing. Well, "carpe > > diem". > > > > Enough of drama. > > > > Nice "talking" to you all. Thanks for still hanging > > around. > > > > vinimagus, 10-th level Wild Mage, RPG player since > > 1992 and Mystara DM > > since 1994 > > (I started writing here as a 6-th level Wild Mage, > > then quit the list as a > > 9-th level Wild Mage; only ONE level in over 3 > > years??? Folks, I need to > > play more... bad news we, common people, work to > > much) :-) > > > > PS: If you Brazilian guys (Tzimisce and the other > > one) are still in the > > list, please write me a PVT msg so we can talk to do > > the works for our > > Immortal MYSTARA here in Brazil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:10:01 -0200 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: WE can make a difference "WE can make a difference" part 1: Plenty of new people are playing with all the core books in Portuguese**.=20 Well, they are playing D&D3E***, they are eager to learn, they only need we= =20 to give them the shove to the RIGHT direction - i.e. MYSTARA, of course. ***** That's one of the reasons why proejcts such as "Mystara 3E" and=20 "Mystara Newbies Guide"are SO important. ***** I know we can get all those new-to-the-game, young people and show them how= =20 nice Mystara is. I won't waste time sauying why, because I've read such a=20 thread (on the Wizards' forum, I think) and Shawn's msg said it all: in=20 short, It has all of the pros and few of the cons of the other worlds. Additionally, personally, I FEEL Dave Arneson and Gary Gygax when playing= =20 it. It's history we're making here. An honest timeline would be: - Gygax, than Gygax and Arneson - glory (Chainmail, Blackmoor, D&D) - T$R - downfall - AD&D Mystara (A.K.A. last desperate try) - your heroic group (I dare not say "our") - new kids playing D&D 3.5 in Mystara, even back in Blackmoor and then=20 writing to WotC saying "Come again: why did you say you are not publishing= =20 Mystara anymore?". It's in them we must bet our coins. ** Very, very weird watching them playing in Portuguese, as all the oldies= =20 like myself play in "PortEnglish": IC and OOC conversations in Portuguese,= =20 but all the armour, weaponry, spells, skills etc in English. *** We, the elders, ;-) have been playing the 3.5E, which is only=20 available form the Net, in English. "WE can make a difference" part 2: We have an yearly convention called USPCon (USP =3D University of S=E3o= Paulo)=20 and it always has an international important person. In USPCOn 1995, I was= =20 given by our "RPGist association" (very strong at the time) the job of take= =20 care of that year's "special person". I asked them who would it be and when= =20 they said... Dave Arneson... I almost had a heart attack. I'm not showing=20 off here, just trying t say that WE can make a difference. Or, in short, WE= =20 CAN. "WE can make a difference" part 3: After that, I realised they were, to us, gods, yes, but to THEMSELVES, they= =20 were just men (he and Mr. Gygax). Found the latter on the Net, trying to=20 make a new game; it was a nice site, seemed to be a great game. I've=20 written to the contact e-mail: "Mr. Gygax, thank you for creating IT ALL." Period. I then thought to myself how idiot that msg was, duh, sending a msg to a=20 busy man, specially saynig that! The reply, however, came soon. And I think I have forwarded it here (to the= =20 former list, actually). It read: "Thank you for appreciating my work, vini." The gods are humble. They made a difference and seem to refuse to become=20 Immortals. "And that is an encouraging thought." "WE can make a difference" part 4: Remember I asked you to vote for "Dragonlance" in (on?) a poll on Blind=20 Guardian's site? Let me help you: they asked the fans to vote for a subject of a new song=20 (they had all the songs for theyr new album ready, but let one music=20 behind, for the fans to decide what they wanted! Nice!) and the 2 more=20 voted up to that time were TLOTR and DL. There were a couple of days for the poll to close, DL and just a little=20 (but not so little!) behind TLOTR and far ahead the 3rd place. i asked you= =20 to vote. Two day later, I got back to the site and DL was winning... and=20 has won! Well, ladies and gentleman: WE can make a difference!!! Disclaimer (A.K.A. "Please don't flame me!"): "Hey, vini is mad! He doesn't= =20 like TLORT!!!!!! Grab, seize, kick, torture him!". Easy there. I love it as= =20 much as you do. Thing is: BG already had a song called "TLOTR" and an=20 *entire* album called "Nightfall in Middle Earth" (much about=20 Silmarillion), so I thought it was time for them to spread D&D's words. ------------------------------------------------ I promise I'll keep next msgs shorter. I just read some msgs (at the Wizards's board) about our role and wante to= =20 contribute. One of the first posts in that thread was froma newbie saying=20 he likes Mystara, but had no material! So it's up to us change that. BTW, is it wong to tell those guys to get the PDFs from the Net? Not from=20 W's site, I mean from Kazaa etc. I found *lots* of old stuff, even back=20 from the 70's there. vini ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:51:34 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" > It's nice to know that people will still be reading this along the next > hours due to the many different hours of day involved: guys from > Europe, > USA, CAN, AUS, NZ... AUZ is a large island on the east*, right? It > reminds me of something very Mystaran... ;-) Wow I thought most people would forget about little old New Zealand. Welcome back, I was begining to worry our numbers were dwindleing. (I've been keeping an eye on the number of recipients and it was down quite a bit recently, but it does that occationally.) > Anyway, I mean Shawn and Chris Furneaux WILL still read this. And after > you, but sooner than you DID. Go reckon... :-O lol. Now I'm confused. But thanks for noticing me. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:05:07 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: WE can make a difference (offlist) > ***** That's one of the reasons why proejcts such as "Mystara 3E" and > "Mystara Newbies Guide"are SO important. ***** and the newbie guide is so close yet so far away from being finished. It'll be good when it's done though. > BTW, is it wong to tell those guys to get the PDFs from the Net? Not > from > W's site, I mean from Kazaa etc. I found *lots* of old stuff, even back > from the 70's there. In short, yes. They are copyrighted works and can now be bought on the net anyway so it is 'wrong' as it will be breaching copyright law. It is also against list policy to discuss these things (as the list is hosted by WotC servers). However if you are really keen on downloading I recommend DC++. You can get it from http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net/ There are a few good rpg hubs around (you can look for them at http://www.hublist.org/ although it is down at the moment). The best one was "RPGBookz and scans" but I haven't been able to connect to that in a while. rpgbooks-cymru.no-ip.org seems the best to me at the moment. Happy hunting, Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:11:21 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: WE can make a difference sorry that last message was ment to be offlist. /me slaps self for being stupid. as vini said there is no undo in life though (It's a pity I don't think geoff has one either) Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:06:32 -0200 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" At 20:51 06/02/2004, you wrote: > > It's nice to know that people will still be reading this along the next > > hours due to the many different hours of day involved: guys from > > Europe, > > USA, CAN, AUS, NZ... AUZ is a large island on the east*, right? It > > reminds me of something very Mystaran... ;-) > > Wow I thought most people would forget about little old New Zealand. NZ is the only place on Earth you'll find a Maori dressed much like a mounty (he worked a the Auckland Intl) that speaks with you in Spanish as soon as he knows you are Brazilian. And he said "I know you speak Portuguese, not Spanish, but hey, they are so similar!". :-O "Ah, Kiwis... you can learn everything from them in one month but after years they still surprise you." - vini, the Grey. > Welcome back, I was begining to worry our numbers were dwindleing. (I've been > keeping an eye on the number of recipients and it was down quite a bit > recently, but it does that occationally.) I remember of such discussion... our numbers fell from 163 to 162 and the debate started. We now have "235 recipients", says the list itself, almost 50% more. :-) > > Anyway, I mean Shawn and Chris Furneaux WILL still read this. And after > > you, but sooner than you DID. Go reckon... :-O > > lol. Now I'm confused. But thanks for noticing me. > > Chris. Chris, you are a role-player, and a fine gentleman. And of course, you're a guy with a French name, living in a country colonised by the English and close to the tropics! That mix is very Mystaran... how can you NOT be noticed? :-D Want some more? Nobody - be it in this world or in Mystara - will ever convince me that it wasn't Atruaghin that made ULURU. Just ask Shawn. ;-) vini ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:24:25 -0200 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Subject: Re: WE can make a difference At 21:05 06/02/2004, you wrote: > > ***** That's one of the reasons why proejcts such as "Mystara 3E" and > > "Mystara Newbies Guide"are SO important. ***** > > and the newbie guide is so close yet so far away from being finished. It'll be > good when it's done though. That reminds that I have work t do. But I'll write about that at the other list. > > BTW, is it wrong to tell those guys to get the PDFs from the Net? Not > > from > > W's site, I mean from Kazaa etc. I found *lots* of old stuff, even back > > from the 70's there. > > In short, yes. They are copyrighted works and can now be bought on the net > anyway so it is 'wrong' as it will be breaching copyright law. Yes, totally! WE ae not pirates/bucaneers/corsairs. As a fan, a *maniac*, I do prefer buying things on paper, not dloading them in PDF format. I only got the PDFs of the material I just couldn't find anywhere (old books stores, e-Bay etc). My search was thorough - "methinks". By the way, I bought some OD&D material from the "TSR Last Call" (when 3E came, remember?). Ah, those packs in the mail... ripping the plastic, reading the "Shadow Elves" book thrice... ah, the feeling! If you or any person in this list can help me on my holy task of completing my Mystara collection*, let me know: I'll buy the material from you. * My definition for "completing my Mystara collection" is "completing the list given in dnd.starflung.com/prodlist.html". > It is also against list policy to discuss these things (as the list is > hosted by WotC > servers). I'm a big WotC fan. I've seen Mr. Adikson here in BR, he played D&D with the fans, he is such a nice person. And, of course, "Magic: TG" allowed D&D to continue, that is good enough alone for me to love them eternally. Who could imagine that back in 1994, hey? We thought Magic would destroy RPGs, but it *saved* it instead. This twisted world... > Happy hunting, > > Chris. Thanks for all the info. vini ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 05:58:28 -0200 From: Andre Martins Subject: Re: WE can make a difference > We have an yearly convention called USPCon (USP = University of São Paulo) > and it always has an international important person. In USPCOn 1995, I was > given by our "RPGist association" (very strong at the time) the job of take > care of that year's "special person". I asked them who would it be and when > they said... Dave Arneson... I almost had a heart attack. I'm not showing > off here, just trying t say that WE can make a difference. Or, in short, WE > CAN. Ok, this did wake me from my long sleep in the list. I was in USP back in 1995, finishing my PhD in Physics (is it me or are there more physicists around here than one would expect?), and I never knew of that convention. Of course, at that time, I only played with a small group of close friends and I didn't interact much with the people at the few gaming shops (not to mention I also got a lot of my game material in the net) and wasn't looking for those events, but I'd have liked to know about it and even showed up. Anyway, back to my slumber until someone else disturbs me (or until I finally find the time to get back to my RPG projects). André ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 5 Feb 2004 to 6 Feb 2004 (#2004-33) *************************************************************