Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 7 Feb 2004 to 8 Feb 2004 (#2004-35) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 09/02/2004, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 6 messages totalling 355 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. WE can make a difference 2. Rockhome bible- in hebrew (2) 3. dwarven bible- in english! (2) 4. Back from the "No World" and Making diference ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:46:12 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: WE can make a difference (is it me or are > there more physicists > around here than one would expect?), I am not a physicist already, but I'm striving hard...just five exams left...wait a year or so...8-) Well, there are me and you and SteelAngel, if I'm not wrong... > Anyway, back to my slumber until someone else > disturbs me Sounds a lot like an Outer Being...[cold shivers down my spine]... Giulio N. Caroletti aka Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:21:34 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Rockhome bible- in hebrew No thanks Eyal, I want to try it myself and I want to add some remarks at the end so the English version is comming up. Glad to see you are still around here! Morphail (Ohad Shaham) --- Eyal Fleminger wrote: > I can give it a try, if you want; I've done some > translation work. > > Eyal > > > On Feb 7, 2004, at 3:16 PM, Ohad Shaham (Morphail) > wrote: > > > > > Hello all! > > > > > > I just finished writing the Rockhome Dwarves > equivillent of Genesis-1. > > > The problem is, I am having truble with > translating to English because > > > well, I tried making it very biblical. And > smarter people than myself > > > had problems translating the real bible. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 05:15:00 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: dwarven bible- in english! Due to a very positive response (thanks guys!) I made the effort and translated to enlglish (its not to long). So here it is: The Chronicles of Dwarves Creation 1 It was in the days of the beginning of the world, and the land is empty and sealed, and the sea rages and gnaws at it. And on the land walk spirits and beasts and monsters and plants all evil wanderin aimlessly. 2 Came the artisan Kagyar and saw the land thirsts for life. 3 And the artisan took a dozen stones and he chizeled and fashioned them and he pured life into them and gave them the name of dwarf. 4 And a king he set on them to conduct them into the land. The name of the king Denwarf. Great was he with skin of granite and blood of lava. And his eyes see through dark and rock. Gifts 5 Kagyar bestowed gifts upon the dwarves. 6 to Duta gave the loon for weaving and sawing fur and leather and linen. And the secret of flame gave her also to warm the stone caves. 7 To Ula gave the song: great voice, to chant her poeples records till the end of days. 8 To Bunga gave the goat and the dog and the donkey and the lizard: good beasts. 9 To Purtha gave the forge of iron to smelt and cast dagger and axe of masterwork 10 To Gonga gave a piton and mallet and writing in stone and she wrote the stories of the people: preserved for eternity. 11 To Burta gave the bundle of mushrooms: lore of that which grows and that which rots, and she kept healing secrets aplenty. 12 To Bongo gave the axe of iron: blade of truth, and taught him war and so became he the guardian of his people and second to the king. 13 To Bolfo gave the cauldron of cookery and the pitcher of ale and the glass of wine to fill the hearts of dwarves with merriment. 14 To Borin gave the pick to form in the mountain tunnels and mines and great halls. 15 To Thouin gave the goldsmithy to work in gold: first of metals. 16 To Dorgin gave the horn and the drum to play in times of peace and war. 17 And with Aulin he entailed the work of sanctitude: bond custom and prophecy. Nation 18 And the dwarves mated in pairs: male and female. 19 The females bore children, and the dwarves multiplied and proliferated in the mountain and valley. 20 At the time when their number was two and forty and seven hundreds their king left them and left to the depths from which he came. 21 They breathed for a very long time and grew old and died and their sons and daughters in their stead remember the gifts bestowed to them by the artisan. Races 22 Saddened were the dwarves for their king has left them. And the artisan saw that they are sad and so he opened a vain of mercury, from rock it flowed. 23 From the vain sprang the gnomes. The name of the first Garal. 24 Small and sharp-witted they were and full of jest, coveters of gems and craftsmanship. 25 The gnomes lived among the dwarves who did not harm them. 26 Came to the land in ships of wood tall people sons of man. And like the wood, they floated on water and did not drown. 27 The dwarves taught man secrets of creation and craft which were given to them by the artisan and only work of sanctitude did not teach them for man is folish and fickle and empty. 28 The dwarves pitied men and did not live among thenm. 29 Giants lived in the land big as mountains, devourers of dwarf and man and wielders of magic and strength. And the dwarves waged war with the giants and vanquished them. 30 And the bowls of the land infested with goblins children of demons, creatures of hate. For many generations did the dwarves battled the goblins and did not defeat them, for the evil of the world nurishes them and revives them again without end. Some interpretations: 1 This of course relates to when the new dwarven race came to be and not the creation of Mystara. 3 Actually, in the DMs version I would say that Kagyar took several dozens to create a genetically stable population. And of course these were original Kogolor dwarves, not stones. 4 could be a hint of Denwarf's golemish nature 8 I figured that "good beasts" means the animals that the dwarves tamed succesfully in prehistoric times. 10 note the paralell between song and writing (7) this is not by chance. 17 I made the holy work obscure enough, but it envolves the link between a dwarf and his people, the dwarven "proper" way of life and a connection to the spiritual world. 18 The text always keeps male and female equal and whilst the females are mentioned first in the "gifts" part , here the males are first. Also I presume that the first dwaves included the 12 mentioned earlier and a spouce+child for each one and not that 6 pairs were made. 23-25 this explains the long lasting aliance between gnome and dwarf (and why gnomes don't get on dwarves' nerves) note that the true Garal was not a gnome but a kogolor dwarf although all modern races believe him to be a gnome. 26 The first humans that the dwarves encountered where northerners (the nithians were not so widespread yet and the spell of oblivion would have erased anything else anyway). I thought that dwarves would find the human sailing and swiming abilities impressive. 29 There are still some giants alive around rockhome to the dwarves dismay. 30. This is a hint to Hel's plot with the beastmen. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:16:02 +0000 From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: Back from the "No World" and Making diference *** SETTING LURKER MODE OFF *** Ok, this thread removed me from my slumber. > Vini wrote: > > I can't explain why it took so long and I don't even remember why the hell > I quit. For the same kind of reason that made me stop updating my Mystara website. Sometimes we let serious things get in the way of what really matters: having fun. > Havard wrote: > > So how big is/was Mystara in Brazil? One more Brazilian here! > possibly because of the early and widespread translations No translations here till late AD&D. I learnt english because of oD&D. My first books are all writen in pencil with translations of dificult words like "sword" or "was" (try to find this one in a dicionary!!). > Vini wrote > > So how the hell we had OD&D/AD&D in Brazil? Heroically! > A couple of guys went to the US, brought the core books, which were > *extensively* copied (black turned to dark grey, then to medium grey, light > grey etc...). Hehe. The old days... Xerox company is the main reason RPG ever suceeded in Brazil. > We have an yearly convention called USPCon Don't forget about the EIRPG > Making a diference thread Simply plaing makes a diference. I for one always go to the above mentioned EIRPG (which also happens once a year for the last 11 years) and DM a Mystara game to unknown players. The organizing staff can't even fit my systen (which I alwasy register as Classic D&D Mystara) in their classification and the game goes under "other systems" instead of "D&D3E". I already "converted" 5 or 6 people to Mystara doing that. The young guys (about 15 years old) are even hunting for old Mystara suplements nowadays. Another big thing is computer. NWN is a great computer game and I've seen through a year playing it at least three or four servers featuring mystara. There's one called Rockhome up now. Right now there are people trying to put a campaign up. I'm not sure if Vulcano is on the MML too but he's the mastermind behind Mystara NWN as far as I can see. > André wrote > > I was in USP back in 1995, finishing my PhD in Physics (is it me or are > there more physicists around >here than one would expect?) I don't know how many physicists are in lthis list. But we have two brazilian physiscists, who made their PhD in USP (in fact I'm still doing mine) and love Mystara. WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT?? Does anybody understand now why I got back from my slumber? *** LEAVING LURKER MODE OFF FOR NOW AND PRAYING IT LASTS *** Ricardo Matheus a.k.a Darkblood Owner of the Mystara Map Navigator www.geocities.com/darkblood18 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: instale grátis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:46:04 +0200 From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: Re: Rockhome bible- in hebrew No problem. But if you need it, consider the offer open. Eyal > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On > Behalf Of Ohad Shaham (Morphail) > Sent: =E0 08 =F4=E1=F8=E5=E0=F8 2004 12:22 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Rockhome bible- in hebrew > =20 > No thanks Eyal, I want to try it myself and I want to > add some remarks at the end so the English version is > comming up. > Glad to see you are still around here! > =20 > Morphail (Ohad Shaham) > =20 > --- Eyal Fleminger wrote: > > I can give it a try, if you want; I've done some > > translation work. > > > > Eyal > > > > > On Feb 7, 2004, at 3:16 PM, Ohad Shaham (Morphail) > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello all! > > > > > > > > I just finished writing the Rockhome Dwarves > > equivillent of Genesis-1. > > > > The problem is, I am having truble with > > translating to English because > > > > well, I tried making it very biblical. And > > smarter people than myself > > > > had problems translating the real bible. > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to > > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > =20 > =20 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > =20 > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:15:04 +1300 From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: dwarven bible- in english! Quoting "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" : > Due to a very positive response (thanks guys!) I made the effort and > translated to enlglish (its not to long). So here it is: Very cool, nice flavour. I liked it a lot. An idea struck me while I was reading too: To revive the dwarven race Kagyar could have created a small number of true Rockborn dwarves (the 500 or so) instilled with the ability to breed with the remaining Kogolor Dwarves and genes that would be dominant over the Kogolor Dwarves genes. Thus without actually removing that many of the Kogolor and not creating that many Rockborn he could re-vive the dwarven race and those that would not follow the rockborn ways would die out. Thus the rockborns teachings were the ones that were handed down because they controled the ability to breed and all rockhome dwarves trace their ancestory to the Rockborn. Additionally it could be that the Modrigswerg could be decended from the Kogolor who did not breed and accept the rockborn, turning to magic and necromancy to maintain themselves, and driven from rockhome. Their names striken from dwarven records along with all of those dwarves and histories not belonging to the Rockborn. A religious clensing of sorts. Additionally it offers another explaination for the rift between the Rockborn and the Modrigswerg and why they are not refered to in dwarven records and were banished from their home. Chris. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 7 Feb 2004 to 8 Feb 2004 (#2004-35) *************************************************************