Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 10 Feb 2004 to 11 Feb 2004 (#2004-38) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 12/02/2004, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 7 messages totalling 145 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. dwarven geneds and numbers (was dwarven bible) 2. All-Father (4) 3. WE can make a difference 4. All-Father (Head spinning yet?) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:17:40 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: dwarven geneds and numbers (was dwarven bible) > If you claim in your campaign that all rockborns > know > that they are not the first dwarves in existance, > than > the text could be something they give outsiders. > Yes, true. I liked it a lot...and I'll do anything to buy everyone's stories...I would like to put together everything written about the Known World and turn it into something coeherent and accepted by all fans. Impossible. I know. 8-( Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:58:03 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: All-Father No comments, suggestions, oo's or awe's? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:30:00 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: All-Father Chris Cherrington wrote: > No comments, suggestions, oo's or awe's? It's a lot of stuff, took some time to scan through it. Overall, it looks good. I like the idea of the purely druidic culture, and the Green Man/Green Knight idea is definitely appealing -- it touches another typical mystaran topic, that of near-Immortal beings who operate independently of the Immortals, like Gargantua. There might even be a link between them (perhaps there are three of these beings, one for each alignment, or there are only two, Gargantua and the Green Man, and they are looking for a Lawful one to fulfill some prophecy). A possible variant, if one wants an even older Green Man, might be to have him as a Faerie of some kind, and give him credit for creating druidism, most likely before Blackmoor. -- Giampaolo Agosta http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:40:56 -0500 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: WE can make a difference Chris wrote: > as vini said there is no undo in life though (It's a pity I don't think geoff > has one either) Maybe not, Chris, but I can "overlook" things now and then. I didn't see that last email, of course. Not at all. Honest. Deliberate attempts to call attention to such things on the List is, of course, forbidden; but accidental posts of personal messages...well, it happens to all of us. How can I get any slack if I don't give it others now and then? :) Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:48:08 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: All-Father > > From: Giampaolo Agosta > > A possible variant, if one wants an even older Green Man, might be to > have him as a Faerie of some kind, and give him credit for creating > druidism, most likely before Blackmoor. > That of course, is the secret to the Green Knight, it is not the person (whom at this time is a female fairy), it is the artifact she is wearing. There are several allusions to the past; one of them is the All-Father being Ouranos, whom in turn is even more ancient as Ssaa Kraat. The All-Father as a Jade Dragon was hording Blackmoor artifacts, some of which he created as Ouranos or even as Ssaa Kraat. The pretense behind these dealings is if Ouranos discovered he was in fact Ssaa Kraat, and had been immortal before, then he may not make it again, so by leaving several memories behind, one might awaken and follow his path again. Just how powerful is a memory of an Old One? What would happen if part of a being was enabled twice again to attain direction to the Old Ones, would he actually go beyond them? Could the All-Father actually be another memory of Ssaa Kraat, just in case Ouranos did not make it to immortality? Is the All-Father himself the fifth element that woul d take the entropic path and destroy himself? It’s a great experiment, avatars of oneself each heading down a path to immortality in each sphere at the same time. Who better to achieve this feat than Ssaa Kraat, the full Hierarch of Matter, who did it again as Ouranos! To this line, may I also submit the near hint that Ouranos as the full Hierarch of Matter, was also worshiped by druids pre-Blackmoor, and as an Old One, is the provider of all Druidic powers that are not sponsored by immortals in post-Blackmoor (could Ssaa Kraat as the immortal be the immortal sponsor of druids before Ouranos?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:39:41 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: All-Father (Head spinning yet?) Another ponderous thought... Ouranos was born of Gaia in Greek Mythology. By having him as a Draeden and born from an egg cast off as the shell of Mystara, alludes he is born of mother earth, Gaia. Ouranos also mated with Gaia, and created many sons, one of them Kronos. Kronos also castrated Ouranos for his sins to his mother (I have not quite figured out how you can castrate a draeden), but when the blood fell from Ouranos, Gaia was still impregnated and gave birth to all the Nymphs, Giants and Furies. What an allusion there! Ouranos in this light as a Draeden, creating fairies, giants and diaboli. This is based on the dualistic system that Dragons sponsored the first humans to immortality and the enemy Draedens sponsored the first diaboli to immortality. Not to mention the fact that druidism is based on cycles, and an immortal that keeps going back to mortality to become immortal again is a great cycle. As the story for Ssaa Kaat, I don’t know of his importance in any real world mythology. T he only allusion I can think up is that if Terra is mother earth, and is thought of being one of the first immortals, and Ssaa Kaat was known to them, but not no more, he would have to be from somewhere other than Mystara. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:05:19 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: All-Father Ssaa Kaat could also be the immortal sponsor for Terra, who then in turn sponsored Ouranos. Kronos, god of time, could have "castrated" Ouranos by giving him a stroke of some kind, possibly one that helped the dragons cause a truce for a time with the draeden with the backfiring effect of creating creatures from matter that are not affected by time (fairies). Kronos was also a titan, and could have built his time machine to send to his mortal self when he knew there would be some type of retribution for the stroke he caused a hierarch when he was a lowly titan of an opposing sphere. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 10 Feb 2004 to 11 Feb 2004 (#2004-38) ***************************************************************