Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 26 Feb 2004 to 27 Feb 2004 (#2004-52) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 28/02/2004, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 415 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. [Ethengar] Steppe Halflings (2) 2. Stronghold Builders (4) 3. Disunity through Varient Rule Systems 4. Why D&D3e? Why OD&D? 5. In the mean time... 6. Heldannic Knights ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:40:44 -0800 From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: [Ethengar] Steppe Halflings From: Havard Faanes > Decent idea. There may even be the occational > half-goblin (Gobling?) among them. Since this is such > a small culture anyways (There I go again with the > small), there is no reason why they should have been > mentioned anywhere in canon, nor does putting them in > there necessarily change anything. (Although one day a > small Halfling carrying a magical ring may try to > climb the World Mountain…) IIRC there is an Ethengar tribe of humanoids, and it might even be goblins. Maybe the halfling tribe could become a subject/ally of the goblin tribe, therefore making the combined tribe a more important (ie noticeable) force in this post-Moglai (ie disorganized and warring) era. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:18:31 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?la=20Volpe?= Subject: Re: [Ethengar] Steppe Halflings > > IIRC there is an Ethengar tribe of humanoids, and it > might even be goblins. > Maybe the halfling tribe could become a subject/ally > of the goblin tribe, > therefore making the combined tribe a more important > (ie noticeable) force in > this post-Moglai (ie disorganized and warring) era. > Interesting. I think you should definitely try to detail the relationship between those goblins and the halflings. And create the goblings too...a lot of cool ideas. Giulio ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:57:07 -0800 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Stronghold Builders --- Lintan wrote: > I'm new to this group so this may have come up > already so forgive me if this > is old stuff. Welcome! we kinda like old stuff over here, so don't worry. However, (filling in for List Ogre, or are you something else now Geoff?) this list is about Mystara and to some extent OD&D. So general subjects of role playing are not. (It is is easy to Mystarysise though: "I noticed strongholds *in Mystara* are not build from concrete..."). As for your question, I don't know much about Archeology but I guess the reason they didn't use much concrete in the middle ages was that it was hard to produce cheaply in large quantities. Mystara (and other gameworlds) is moduled loosely after middle age Europe and therefore should have similar engeneering features. I agree that dwarves should have better acess to technologies and materials in building, but GNOMISH technology, as I see it is not centered on usefull stuff. A gnomish engineer might use the most inapropriate of materials to create an engenious contraption that no one will ever want to use... (and certainly not live in). Morphail (Ohad Shaham) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:12:35 -0700 From: Lintan Subject: Re: Stronghold Builders After I sent the post I was thinking about just that, I should have given it a more mystara tilt to the post. Ok here goes, a revamp sort of. According to the web research I did on concrete (I don't believe every site I read so I try to corroborate what I find with more official sites) the Roman (Milenian??) were building Bridges(In fact, more than 200 Roman bridges are still around today),bathhouse and large monolithic building as earlier as 300BC. The Egyptians (Nithians??) also use Lime cement as mortar. Now in the known world both of these cultures were lost so maybe the craft of cement/concrete was lost to. So if my Mystara game a though came up, what would happen to countries like Karameikos if they discovered the craft either on there own or like in my campaign adventures found ancient building and writings. Bringing the craft back home they can introduce concrete and cement back to society. Back to my original post, think of what it would do to a progressive country like Karameikos, Liquid stone that can be shaped into virtually any shape and dried into a type of stone. Is this knowledge still around in the known world? Is it lost to the know world? As to Morphail Comment (" I guess the reason they didn't use much Concrete in the middle ages was that it was hard to Produce cheaply in large quantities") I don't agree, because of the sheer fact that the Romans were using its as main building material nearly 1000 years before the middle ages. My though are mostly on what would happen to the known world with this craft, unlike the Hollow world with the spell of preservation preventing them from progressing. No I guess this next comment is if you follow the 2e version of mystara or not. With 2e mystara Alphatia is in the hollow world and they have contact with the NACE(New Alphatian Confederate Empire) could they then trade crafts taken from Milenian and Nithians to the Known world. Though the Spell Of Preservation might prevent them from adopting it them self the empress will recognize the potential and value of the craft. -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Ohad Shaham (Morphail) Sent: February 27, 2004 9:57 AM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Stronghold Builders --- Lintan wrote: > I'm new to this group so this may have come up > already so forgive me if this > is old stuff. Welcome! we kinda like old stuff over here, so don't worry. However, (filling in for List Ogre, or are you something else now Geoff?) this list is about Mystara and to some extent OD&D. So general subjects of role playing are not. (It is is easy to Mystarysise though: "I noticed strongholds *in Mystara* are not build from concrete..."). As for your question, I don't know much about Archeology but I guess the reason they didn't use much concrete in the middle ages was that it was hard to produce cheaply in large quantities. Mystara (and other gameworlds) is moduled loosely after middle age Europe and therefore should have similar engeneering features. I agree that dwarves should have better acess to technologies and materials in building, but GNOMISH technology, as I see it is not centered on usefull stuff. A gnomish engineer might use the most inapropriate of materials to create an engenious contraption that no one will ever want to use... (and certainly not live in). Morphail (Ohad Shaham) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:40:26 -0500 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Stronghold Builders Ohad wrote: > we kinda like old stuff over here, so don't worry. > However, (filling in for List Ogre, or are you > something else now Geoff?) this list is about Mystara > and to some extent OD&D. So general subjects of role > playing are not. I guess I'm still an Ogre - depends on my mood, I guess. :-) But yes, generally we prefer topics to be Mystara related, but this has already happened. More than anything else, I try to avoid flame wars. Welcome aboard! Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:06:25 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: Re: Disunity through Varient Rule Systems Hi. If there is a published DD&3e campaign, or d20 gaming system for the campaign, then there could be a chance? If not, there's simple not enough interest. The prior Fogotten Realms (A&D2e) just fell apart completely for that reason. So, they're starting a completely new FR (D&D3.5e) as there are many published books now on the campaign. Beyond getting momentum from a (A) group creating modules and material (in D&D3e), there needs to be (B) interested players willing to try out the campaign. There's just not enough interest to create D&D3e based Mystara modules, and combined with the lack of published (or even underground for that matter) D&D3e campaign material, it is going to be a hard sell to get new players at a con to try it out. - Joaquin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:17:03 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: Why D&D3e? Why OD&D? Hi. I actually really like OD&D and it's simplistic rules. However, there was so much in AD&D1, like elves having different class combinations, I migrated there. And with this came the choas if inconsistant, speghetti of imbalancing rules. Now, in D&D3e, there are things I don't like, but for the most part it is a simple and playable system, with many options. What's great about D&D3e, is that it's based on an OPEN GAMING SYSTEM called d20. There are so many d20 games coming out, it's amazing. For myself, I would rather have one gaming system for several genres, than to re-learn a new gaming system for each type of game. I am through with that madness, and I never want to go back to those days of learning new systems for each different type of game. (Besides, I would rather learn new programming systems and computer systems, so that I can hope to make money, if not for only buying new games. :-) I think the gamers expressing preference for both D&D3e and OD&D, note the same theme: simplicity. I think d20 system (D&D3e) allows gamers to play for a variety of games, not just fantasy. And as there is a greater audience for d20, it's easier to attract new gamers, and it is easier to borrow non-Mystara material and adapt it into Mystara, such as the Sha'ir class into Ylaruam, or perhaps even the Jedi as Foresters. :-) - Joaquin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:19:41 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: In the mean time... Hi. In the mean time, I thought of an idea was to run some small modules at a convention (RPGA-like style). I hope to have a fun game and offer something different for new players. I converted major parts of B6: Veiled Society to D&D3e, and I have also adapted T1: Village of Hommlet to Mystara, and updated to D&D3e. Hopefully some of these efforts can be a hit. - Joaquin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:03:26 -0700 From: john arendt Subject: Heldannic Knights Greetings all, I'm new to the list and just returning to Mystara after a long time away from the setting. Can anyone point me to where the Heldannic Knights are developed in published materials? They don't have anything like a Gazetteer, do they? Thanks, John _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:19:33 -0700 From: Lintan Subject: Re: Stronghold Builders After I sent my original post I was thinking that I should have given it a more mystara Flavor. After Reading Morphail (Ohad Shaham) I decided to post a follow up to my original post. I fully agree with Morphail (Ohad Shaham) that my original post should have had more Mystara flavor. My intention was to fix my first post and not to start a flame war, so I hope any one who reads my follow up doesn't thing that was my intent. Lintan -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Geoff Gander Sent: February 27, 2004 1:40 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Stronghold Builders Ohad wrote: > we kinda like old stuff over here, so don't worry. > However, (filling in for List Ogre, or are you > something else now Geoff?) this list is about Mystara > and to some extent OD&D. So general subjects of role > playing are not. I guess I'm still an Ogre - depends on my mood, I guess. :-) But yes, generally we prefer topics to be Mystara related, but this has already happened. More than anything else, I try to avoid flame wars. Welcome aboard! Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97, MPA 02 Carnifex Loremaster/Mad Roleplayer Master of the Elemental Plane of Bureaucracy au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 26 Feb 2004 to 27 Feb 2004 (#2004-52) ***************************************************************