Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 16 May 2005 to 17 May 2005 (#2005-102) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 18/05/2005, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 3 messages totalling 161 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Death of Desmond Kelvin (2) 2. CoT & CoK Hierarchy (was: The Death of Desmond Kelvin) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:25:14 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: Re: The Death of Desmond Kelvin This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-758783491-1116314714=:25060 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 16 May 2005, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: >> total control of the Griffon Knights (Aleena Halaran's knights >> have secceeded and formed an independent sect by the blessing of >> her father). > Her uncle Sherlane, I suppose. Touche. I wonder how long it is since I actually read GAZ 1, instead of just relying on my memories? >> Kelvin is also poised to marry Arteris Penhaligon, and > A good move, since lady Adriana is not eligible anymore. Actually IMC Adriana is technically eligible, but seems to have developed into a hopeless spinster. (I haven't introduced any canon elements after the GAZ era due to the nature of my campaign.) Still, in the post-WotI setup offered in "Karameikos- Kingdom of adventure" Lady Arteris would be a likely candidate. Perhaps not a marriade of love rahter than politics. > Of course! I gave some thought to the organization of the two > churches, > but never went that far, so I'm interested in seeing what you did. I'll try to remember to do that. They have been handwritten, so it will take some doing to get them in a sensible electronic form. Ville ******************************************************* Ville Lähde University of Tampere Department of Mathematics, Statistics and Philosophy 33014 Tampere, Finland phone: (work) 03 215 7573 (home) 040 7776772 email: Ville.V.Lahde@uta.fi http://www.uta.fi/laitokset/mattiet/filosofia/lahde.htm ******************************************************* ---559023410-758783491-1116314714=:25060-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:44:51 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: The Death of Desmond Kelvin Ville V Lähde wrote: > >>> Kelvin is also poised to marry Arteris Penhaligon, and >> >> A good move, since lady Adriana is not eligible anymore. > > Actually IMC Adriana is technically eligible, but seems to have > developed into a hopeless spinster. (I haven't introduced any > canon elements after the GAZ era due to the nature of my campaign.) > Still, in the post-WotI setup offered in "Karameikos- Kingdom of > adventure" Lady Arteris would be a likely candidate. Perhaps not > a marriade of love rahter than politics. Uhm, but then Arteris is even older than Adriana -- I think she was in here thirties in the GAZ era, by post-Wrath time she would be in her early forties! GP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:03:03 -0700 From: Brendan Corliss Subject: CoT & CoK Hierarchy (was: The Death of Desmond Kelvin) I created some basics on the organizational structure of the two churches for my campaign. Church of Karameikos Based on GAZ1, there seems to be 3 ranks in the CoK: Priest, Bishop, & Patriarch. I broke this down so that any clergyman who presided over a temple was considered at least a Priest. If his/hers was the main temple located in the main city/town of an Estate, he/she would be considered a Bishop. For example, the priest of the temple at Verge would be considered the Bishop of Verge. If he/she presided over the main temple in a Barony, he/she would be a Patriarch/Matriarch. There is, actually, one more rank... High Patriarch, ie Olliver Jowett. IMC, Oderbry is technically the Bishop of Specularum since he presumably tends to the city's worshipers, while Jowett tends to the overall Church organization. Church of Traladara I've intentionally kept the organization of the CoT fairly loose as I see the church as being somewhat de-centralized and informal (except in some areas in the south). As far as ranks, I only use Priest and Patriarch. Any cleric of at least 3rd level is given the title of Priest whether or not he presides over an actual temple. In fact, IMC, the CoT doesn't have alot of temples - most of the religion relies on travelling Priests. As far as Patriarch/Matriarch status, I based things somewaht on Francesco Defferari's History of Traladara (http://pandius.com/tralhist.html). Each of the original power centers of the 12 founding clans maintains a traditional rank of Patriarch or Matriarch (called by its original Traladaran name where it differs from Thyatian): Vatresh (Threshold), Vaion (Penhaligon), Mirros (Specularum), Mevu (Marilenev), Dmitrov, Sulescu, Luln, Halag* (Ruhmhof ie Fort Doom), Rugalov, Vetu (Rugalov Keep), Krakatos*, Lav*. Of course, several have special circumstances surrounding them: the Patriarch of Halag is basically in hiding as Baron von Hendriks toelrates no CoT presence; the Patriarach and Matriarch of Krakatos & Lav are basically ceremonial titles, and currently both reside in Specularum. BTW, Nikelnevich is considered the Patriarch of Mirros since the title is traditionally bestowed upon the Patriarch of Traladara. So there you have it. I have names and coats of arms for all of them (anyone of the title of at least Bishop in a church is authorized to a personal/family crest IMC) but my website seems to be in constant state of reworking, so I don't think any of it is currently available online. -Damon AKA Brendan Corliss Corliss Enterprises, Ltd. Darokin City May all your endeavors be Gold! Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 16 May 2005 to 17 May 2005 (#2005-102) ****************************************************************