Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 22 Jul 2005 to 23 Jul 2005 (#2005-143) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 24/07/2005, 17:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 6 messages totalling 234 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. RW Equivalents to Mystaran nations (was: point me to a site?) (LONG) 2. Equivalents to Mystaran nations (5) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:52:33 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: RW Equivalents to Mystaran nations (was: point me to a site?) (LONG) Geoff Gander ha scritto: > > The reason for my thinking that the Davanian city-states are more medieval > is that they have survived the fall of the Milenian Empire by roughly 1000 > years - enough time for them to evolve in certain ways without being > impeded by a Spell of Preservation. Sure, but what is not defined is _how_ they evolved. IIRC, Mivosia evolved towards a military state, while Kastelios remained nearer to the original Milenian ideal. Other cities didn't fare that well, but in general there weren't invasions or contacts with other civilizations that deeply affected them. They did enter a "dark age", though. > So, I would think the Milenian spoken there would have evolved (and more > than likely split into several dialects), for a start. That's for sure. GP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:19:30 +0100 From: Jon Cole Subject: Re: Equivalents to Mystaran nations > Karameikos is somewhat more like England after the Norman conquest, > replacing the Saxons with the Traladarans (based on eastern europe) and > the Normans with the Thyatians. ? Don't really see that personally - much more Transylvania-on-sea IMHO but then I'm English ans from Hastings to boot, so I'm probably biased Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:24:53 -0700 From: "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" Subject: Re: Equivalents to Mystaran nations GP said: > Glantri has very specific references: > > - Glantri City: Venice (the channels, Tower of Sighs > vs. Ponte dei Sospiri) > - Caurenze: Italian principalities (the Medici or > Estensi family lands) > - Linden: the Netherlands > - Aalban: Germany > - Boldavia: Romania > - Belcadiz: Spain > - Krondahar: Central Asia > - Nouvelle Averoigne: France > - Crownguard: Scotland When I wrote something that was supposed to be a Boldavian mini-gazeteer I tried making it more like Hungary (or maybe transilvania? or somwhere about) by giving a bit of Ethengar influence. So if Karameikos is Romania, then Boldavia could be Hungary or a more traditional "vampire" land- Wallachia/Transilvania (where Vlad the impaler came from). As for the Walara they are obviously Aboriginal Australians. There is a reference to "Dream Time" a very important Aboriginal mythology element. And the illustrations in Champions of Mystara remind of Aboriginal people as well (OK, minus the fact that they are multicolored reptilians...). Herath have place names that remind of Hebrew but that could be any semitic language. Some ancient mesopetemian culture maybe, Akkad is a nice well researched extinct language. I have an archeologist freind who is fluent in Akkad, but doesen't have a clue about how it sounded. This also works well with Nimmur being babylon (or Asyria, I always get those two mixed). There was some talk in this forum about the Shadow Slves as ancient Hebrews. The historic/religious elements fit, the place names and people not so much... Ohad Shaham (Morphail) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:32:14 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Equivalents to Mystaran nations Ohad Shaham (Morphail) ha scritto: > > When I wrote something that was supposed to be a > Boldavian mini-gazeteer I tried making it more like > Hungary (or maybe transilvania? or somwhere about) by > giving a bit of Ethengar influence. > So if Karameikos is Romania, then Boldavia could be > Hungary or a more traditional "vampire" land- > Wallachia/Transilvania (where Vlad the impaler came > from). Yes, there is this feel. Also some names are more Hungarian than Slavic or Romanian. Still, it's pretty mixed, and Karameikos is more Slavic than Romanian (many names look Bulgarian or even Russian rather than Romanian). GP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:09:22 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Equivalents to Mystaran nations Jon Cole ha scritto: >> Karameikos is somewhat more like England after the Norman conquest, >> replacing the Saxons with the Traladarans (based on eastern europe) and >> the Normans with the Thyatians. > > Don't really see that personally - much more Transylvania-on-sea IMHO > but then I'm English ans from Hastings to boot, so I'm probably biased Boh, to me it seems that Karameikos is almost straight from Ivanohe or Robin Hood -- we've got the dispossessed natives, the invaders, the good king who wants the support of both ethnic groups, the villainous relative who champions the invaders' cause. Of course, this theme is mixed with the "Vampire lands" one, but to say that Karameikos is Transylvania is a bit too much -- Boldavia certainly is Transylvania/Hungary, but Karameikos is more varied (and, actually, there are few vampires -- only the mad Koriszegy, the "good" Sulescu and perhaps one other). Bye, GP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:40:50 -0500 From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Equivalents to Mystaran nations And yet, in the Gazeteer, the comment sunder Vampire are. "Not numerous, but widespread." That and werewolves and wereboars being fairly common give the land a far more eastern european flavour. Just because there are only two NPCs specified as vampire/nosferatu doesn't mean those are the only ones there are. In my campaign I run it as Russia. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giampaolo Agosta" To: Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Equivalents to Mystaran nations > Jon Cole ha scritto: >>> Karameikos is somewhat more like England after the Norman conquest, >>> replacing the Saxons with the Traladarans (based on eastern europe) and >>> the Normans with the Thyatians. >> >> Don't really see that personally - much more Transylvania-on-sea IMHO >> but then I'm English ans from Hastings to boot, so I'm probably biased >> > > Boh, to me it seems that Karameikos is almost straight from Ivanohe or > Robin Hood -- we've got the dispossessed natives, the invaders, the good > king who wants the support of both ethnic groups, the villainous > relative who champions the invaders' cause. > > Of course, this theme is mixed with the "Vampire lands" one, but to say > that Karameikos is Transylvania is a bit too much -- Boldavia certainly > is Transylvania/Hungary, but Karameikos is more varied (and, actually, > there are few vampires -- only the mad Koriszegy, the "good" Sulescu and > perhaps one other). > > Bye, > GP > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 > > ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 22 Jul 2005 to 23 Jul 2005 (#2005-143) ****************************************************************