Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 Oct 2005 to 13 Oct 2005 (#2005-193) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 14/10/2005, 18:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 9 messages totalling 380 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. I miss this place[via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] (2) 2. Origins of the Callarii part 1 (4) 3. Sentient Races: Nagpa 4. I miss this place (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:21:16 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: I miss this place[via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Havard Faanes ha scritto: > *Sigh* > Nothing is happening here lately and the boards are > down for maintainance. I need an outlet! :) BTW, there seems to have been some "maintainance" even here -- now the mails arrive with a (rather annoying, if you ask me) extra bit in the title. Also, the two mails I sent on 9/10 only arrived today (or yesterday in the evening, maybe). GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:24:52 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Origins of the Callarii part 1 Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > I'm actually thinking they all travelled together for > a while into Karameikos. Then, Mealiden's group left > the others and crossed the mountains through the pass > where the Duke's Road Keep currently sits. But you do > have a point. Was something else making them stay? Or > were they attacked at a later point? Or were they just > unhappy with Mealidens decisions so far? That's better, but it still doesn't explain why the Callarii did not settle east of the river (i.e., directly south of the pass). Maybe they were unhappy with Mealiden, of course, or... > It is indeed another problem with the story. Perhaps > Mealiden had found someone else in the meantime? ...maybe there was already someone else ;) GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:08:05 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Sentient Races: Nagpa Hi all, after quite a long hiatus, I'm back with an update to the Sentient Races list. This time the Nagpa is revised, with additional information on the Nagpa version from the Mystara MCA. Credits: ideas, motivation and other input for this entry came from this thread on the Italian MMB: http://www.25edition.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24000&FORUM_ID=98&CAT_ID=23&Topic_Title=Varellya+e+Varellyani&Forum_Title=Mystara and specifically from Lo Zompatore, who started the discussion. Comments are welcome, GP Nagpa Nagpa hail from Varellya, and are the result of a centuries-lasting curse laid on the original Varellyans, who keep reincarnating into this half-man, half-vulture form. Many Nagpa are plain evil, and all are definitely chaotic. Their primary motivation is to end their curse. To this end, they collect knowledge and items. The latter are sacrificed to the Immortals, hoping that they would lift the curse. A group of Nagpa live in the Flying City of Serraine, the Sky Gnomish city that travels over the Known World. Other Nagpa have found their way through Davania to other arid, desolated regions, like the Sind Desert. They prefer to keep apart from humans, and often dwell in abandoned crypts and tombs. Nagpa don't gather in large numbers, and their society takes the form of a secret network of scholars. The Grey Front leadership is the only known example of Nagpa society outside Varellya. Within Varellya, Nagpa gather every year at the spot where their curse was created to sacrifice all their riches to the Immortals. Moreover, they collect the cocoons that contain the immature form of their reincarnated relatives and store them in caverns, where the reborn Nagpa will complete their growth in the following months. Due to their reincarnation cycle, there is a fixed number of Nagpa, which amounts to the part of the population of Varellya that survived to the end of the civil war that destroyed the nation. The Mystara MCA presents a different take on Nagpa. While the Varellyan Nagpa is barred from using magic (except his special powers) and is a reincarnated Varellyan human, the MCA Nagpa is just a powerful mage, cursed to assume the shape of a half-man half-vulture. There are also a number of other differences -- MCA Nagpa do not (and, indeed, cannot) sleep or eat, while Varellyan Nagpa do. There are several possible interpretations to this differences, including the following: 1) The MCA Nagpa is simply inaccurate 2) The MCA Nagpa is a variant of the Nagpa curse that is sometime inflicted by Immortals who know of the fate of Varellya The first option, while less inclusive, keeps a single source for the Nagpa, which may make for a better story. References: PC2 Top Ballista, X4 Master of the Desert Nomads, The Voyage of the Princess Ark, 5: "As they fed on a nation, so were they cursed" (Dragon Magazine 157), Creature Catalog, Mystara MCA. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:59:06 -0700 From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: I miss this place > From: Havard Faanes > *Sigh* > Nothing is happening here lately and the boards are > down for maintainance. I need an outlet! You could help with filling Mystara info on wikipedia. I discovered recently that there was a blurb there, but it seemed to be mostly written by the video games crowd and not by roleplayers, so I had a first shot at it, but it still needs a lot of work. Stuff from the newbie guide would be appropriate, I think. We can't let the Italians have a more complete Mystara page on wikipedia! Also, if anyone wants to create a page in other languages besides English and Italian... ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:32:53 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Origins of the Callarii part 1 --- Giampaolo Agosta skrev: > That's better, but it still doesn't explain why the > Callarii did not settle east of the river (i.e., directly south of > the pass). Perhaps they did at first, and then moved along towards more heavily forested lands towards the west later on... > Maybe they were unhappy with Mealiden, of course, > or... > > > It is indeed another problem with the story. > Perhaps > > Mealiden had found someone else in the meantime? > > ...maybe there was already someone else ;) That takes some of the romance out of the story though ;) Ofcourse there could be a difference between the legend that I presented and what actually happened. Even though elves live long lives. Another possibility is that Mealiden's other passion was not in fact concentrated on another person, but about something greater, namely that of nation building. This is perhaps a passion shared by Lady Callarii, but something that lead them both to the understanding that to best serve their people, they would have to divide, since the two groups had such different needs? Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:35:56 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: I miss this place --- Herve Musseau skrev: > You could help with filling Mystara info on > wikipedia. I discovered recently > that there was a blurb there, but it seemed to be > mostly written by the video > games crowd and not by roleplayers, so I had a first > shot at it, but it still > needs a lot of work. Stuff from the newbie guide > would be appropriate, I think. > We can't let the Italians have a more complete > Mystara page on wikipedia! Also, > if anyone wants to create a page in other languages > besides English and Italian... The Italian crowd are doing an impressive bulk of work all over the web. I've found myself trying to read some of it, regretting that I don't actually know the language. BTW: Url for the wikipedia? Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 05:46:51 -0700 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: I miss this place[via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:31:30 +0200, Havard Faanes wrote: > *Sigh* > Nothing is happening here lately and the boards are > down for maintainance. I need an outlet! Well, thank goodness the archives are back! I find that, lately, I hardly have time to check this account, and so checking the archives while at work gets me up to date. I think we're in another quiet spell, and the main project I'm working on (a map of Wendar's Northern Wildlands, based on Thib's and Thorf's maps) won't be ready for a little while yet. I'll be sure to let everyone know when it's done, after I send it to Shawn. Geoff ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:22:43 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Origins of the Callarii part 1 Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > Perhaps they did at first, and then moved along > towards more heavily forested lands towards the west > later on... Right. Then we need to know when and why they moved. There are several possibilities, depending on how long they remained in the Dymrak -- could have been goblinoid invasions, or perhaps they were involved in some of the vampiric/lycanthropic outbursts that plagued Traladara's dark age. > Ofcourse there could be a difference between the > legend that I presented and what actually happened. :) > Another possibility is that Mealiden's other passion > was not in fact concentrated on another person, but > about something greater, namely that of nation > building. This is perhaps a passion shared by Lady > Callarii, but something that lead them both to the > understanding that to best serve their people, they > would have to divide, since the two groups had such > different needs? Yes that's possible -- though it looks like the official version engineered by a ruler's staff ;) GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:04:15 -0400 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Origins of the Callarii part 1 > Another possibility is that Mealiden's other passion > was not in fact concentrated on another person, but > about something greater, namely that of nation > building. This is perhaps a passion shared by Lady > Callarii, but something that lead them both to the > understanding that to best serve their people, they > would have to divide, since the two groups had such > different needs? Mealiden did quest for and attain Immortality. That would certainly take time away from his lady... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 Oct 2005 to 13 Oct 2005 (#2005-193) ****************************************************************