Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 1 Feb 2005 to 2 Feb 2005 (#2005-28) From: Automatic digest processor Date: 03/02/2005, 19:00 To: Recipients of MYSTARA-L digests Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 19 messages totalling 1686 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Campaign Cartographer (3) 2. Newbie guide (11) 3. Shadow elf history problems (2) 4. 3.5 mystara (2) 5. Some real culture ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:13:22 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Campaign Cartographer I have already made half of Norwold in 8m/hex using Hexmapper.(from norther= n Ethengar to Kildorkak and from eastern Wendar to Dunadale I am currently working on the northern part (from Kildorkak to the frozen s= teppes...and same width) One thing is important, maybe we should try to all work with the same set o= f hexes to ensure compatibility between our maps... at least we should share the more common hexes... thib > Message du 02/02/05 05:25 > De : "Dan Eustace"=20 > A : MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Copie =E0 :=20 > Objet : Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > =20 > Yeah, I like hexmapper, too. Started playing around with it the other day > for the 1st time in quite a while. I have 1/2 finished maps of Norwold > (IMC) and Wendar. But I did 1/2 a map of the Merry Pirate Seas at the lar= ge > HW map scale, that eventually I could use to make a 8 mile/hex version. > Starting to get a bit more free time again. Maybe I can actually get to > some of those M-almanac plots that I left hanging... > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thibault Sarlat"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > =20 > =20 > > I do have the CC program, but even with the guide i have not spent the > > proper time to get it worked the way i want. > > i still think it's not as simple as an hexmapper, plus photoshop... > > > > plus i do have a preference for hex maps (at least for the campaign). I= do > > agree however that CC is the absolute best for the handouts... > > > > but anyway, it's your call... > > > > Thibault Sarlat. > > > > ICQ 16622177. > > Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st > > thibault-sarlat@wanadoo.fr > > clenariusfr@yahoo.fr > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thorfinn Tait"=20 > > To:=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > > > > > > > SOL, eh? I actually had to look that one up... :-P > > > > > > As it happens I am very far from SOL in this case, but I'm still > > considering > > > Campaign Cartographer for my non-hex related mapping needs. But I hav= e > to > > > justify spending the money to buy it, hence I'm looking for opinions = of > > it. > > > Thanks for sharing yours! > > > > > > To buy or to make do with what I have now... Decisions, decisions. Fo= r > > now > > > I think I'll wait and see if anyone else responds. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Thorfinn > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Thorfinn Tait --------- thorf @ chokai.ne.jp > > > Land of the Rising Sun, 5 years and counting > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > CC is extremely powerful and makes beautiful maps. The only problem > is > > > > that there isn't a good way to do tiled hex maps. It can take > > > > some time to > > > > make a map with it, but the instructions are pretty good. > > > > > > > > It's great for making attractive player handouts, and it's even bet= ter > > for > > > > making DM maps ... unless you're attached to the hex format in whic= h > > case > > > > you're SOL. > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.a= spx > > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.asp= x > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > =20 > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > =20 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:57:45 +1100 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Newbie guide At 08:32 AM 2/02/2005 +1300, you wrote: > /lurk off > > Hi all, > > I believe we are just waiting on shawn to proof it. it's been sitting around gathering dust for a while. > > essentially it has a one page summary of all the nations of the known world AC1000. We may need an entry for the broken lands but other then that... I think it is written. We are waiting on proofing/editing and then formating/art needs to be finalised (final decisions on alphabetical, or geographical or gaz order of nations etc.) > > All the files for it so far are on the yahoo group for it. I'm not sure if it is an open group or not, but shawn is the owner of the group if you want to see if there is anything you can contribute. There has been some discussion about an expantion to it covering beyond the Known World that could be released at a later date. > > > Anyway on another topic for those of you that are interested I am now working full time at an architects office. So a bit of a change from the student lifestyle... although I havent decided if I will go back somestage. It's nice to see some prople returning to the list as of late tho. I proofed everything in the Newbie Guide, I was originally just waiting for the original authors to coem back and approve the changes or not. In some articles there was a number of changes. Then once that wasn't done it all fell off the radar for me. Nah, it's not an open group. And there's probably nothing for new people to contribute as the product is essentially almost complete, there is just that last hurdle to overcome. shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:00:58 +1100 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Newbie guide At 05:12 PM 1/02/2005 +0100, you wrote: > --- "john@johnhofmann.com" > wrote: >> Is the plan to have a Newbie guide that is divorced >> from game mechanics or >> would that still be a part of it? > > I cant speak for the people involved in this project, > but I think a rule-less newbie guide would be a good > idea. > > I'd also like to see a quick and easy Mystara D20 > guide, but perhaps that could be made into a separate > document, possibly complementing the newbie guide? yeah it's rule-less and generalistic. it's a newbie guide after all. a quick and easy mystara d20. calling the mystara 3E team ... shawn stanley what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:38:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ville_V_L=E4hde?= Subject: Re: Shadow elf history problems On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Havard Faanes wrote: > Although I tend towards preferring Blackmoor being on > Skothar, I am also interested in discussing ideas for > using the original location on Brun. Currently though, > I think locating Blackmoor on Brun is more problematic > than having it on Skothar. I only now looked through your site. Of course I had checked the stuff before, but not now in connection to this discussion. Wonderful site, by the way. If one works with the pre-3000BC continental dispersion matrix that was given in the HW set (and/or Rule Cyclopedia???), Brun and Skothar clearly rule each other out as alternatives. (I mean the continental maps in your site.) AND of course the "canon" map clearly put BM on Skothar. Then again, I was very surprised when I dwelled on the map. I really hadn't done that properly earlier. It doesn't seem to take the post-3000BC axial shift into account! I mean, according to the old GAZ stuff the region of KW was supposed to have been under Polar Ice! (Now they are well below the polar circle.) So the axial shift would have to have been very dramatic, not just a slight tilt that the HW map suggests. So, it seems that a very dramatic shift regarding the events of 3000 BC took place in the TSR product line when this global map was produced. This created a grand inconsistency. I have always grown into the early GAZ version of Mystara - I played the first 12-14 years without any additional information. I'd thought the Blackmoorian global map to be something like this: - The area of KW & Isle of Dawn are under polar ice. Blackmoor and Evergrun are on the opposite sides of the globe (obviously), both relatively close to the equator, having either subtropic or "mediterranean" climates. - Skothar and Brun are connected to each other in their "northern" parts, which of course now are their eastern and western edges respectively. Blackmoor is situated on this connecting isthmus. A bit like the acient Siberia-Alaska Bering isthmus. - So the Rain of Fire not only destroys the land of Blackmoor, leaving only the further neighbours intact, it tears the two continents apart and moves the resulting strait to the polar regions. Something like this would be dictated by the oldest references to Blackmoor & KW polar glaciers But perhaps the notion of Hollow World and the idea that the polar openings are so old (countless millennia) dictated such a change. Otherwise at some time they would have to have been "equatorial openings" or something like that. But anyway, fitting together the idea of ANCIENT polar openings and a fairly recent axial twist seems patently impossible. I just thought to mention this to explain my confusion regarding the issue. > then these elves would be living near Blackmoor's > colony on Brun, rather than near Blackmoor itself. Referring to the previous geographical "misconception": this is precisely how I pictured it. The elves used to live on those "Burnean" areas that later would become the frozen wastes of northernmost Brun. > When it comes to elves, it is hard not to involve > magic as an explaination, at least on some level since > they are afterall magical beings. This could also help > explain how they adapt so fast to the environment. > Elves are very well tuned to their surroundings, and > perhaps their magical nature causes them to physically > change over even just one generation to adapt to new > and completely different surroundings? This is precisely what I meant - magical explanations work well with a good narrative. I really like this idea of elves having a close connection with the world. That would also add "magical realism" to the elven history in general: how they can befome seaborne or even undersea creatures, move underground with gnolls etc. Great idea. Perhaps a small tract could be written on the subject? > This doesnt help with your Neanderthals problem > though. Is there actually such a problem? If one looks at the timelines, Outer World humans are hunter-gatherers, who have been already divided into three distrinct groups. I've always pictured them as pretty "developed" humans. The neanderthal-like humans live in Hollow World. And they are preserved by the Spell of Preservation, and other humans are later transplanted there. So the timelines don't actually say much about the development of humans in Outer World. But anyway, here the idea of Immortal/Old One involvement doesn't sound so farfetched/boring anymore. After all, Mystra has always been pictures as THE pet project of all Immortals due to its capacity to "produce" Immortals. Perhaps this idea can be stretched further. Pre-Mystaran or very ancient Mystaran immortals spurred on the development of races to gain momentum to the project. Ville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:47:01 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Newbie guide --- Chris Furneaux wrote: > There is a cover there, but I might revise it. I had > some ideas about it today. and I think someone did a > map. I'm also surprised Havard didn't know about the > guide tho. *Lol* I guess I was pretty stressed out last year because of my studies. I actually recall the idea of a newbie guide being discussed, but not what it was all about. > From what I hear in these latest posts though, this sounds really interesting, and I am looking forward to seeing the final version! :) Håvard ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:49:41 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Newbie guide --- shawn stanley wrote: > a quick and easy mystara d20. calling the mystara 3E > team ... Yeah... That is something I'd love to see. The 3e team has done some great things, but it seems like the projects have been scattered too much all over, and that the group has been concentrating too much on altering every part of 3.5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd be interested in something "quick and dirty"... Håvard ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:52:30 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Newbie guide Ray, I have seen your PHB before: I like the retro thing you've got going on! :) What I had in mind was more of a quick document for using 3e with Mystara, probably just the most important modifications to run a successful D20 campaign in Mystara.. Cheers :) Håvard --- Ray Allen skrev: > Havard, > > Are you refering to Campaign World source > information or > a PHB? I have made a OGL D20-based PHB that we're > using > for our campaign on Mystara. Take a look..... > > http://home.psknet.com/allenr/Dark_Coast.html > > I used Open Office to create it so if anyone wants > to > edit it for their own campaign, download OOo at > http://www.openoffice.org/ (65 mb) and have at it! > :) > > I would like to do an OGL D20-based DMG for my > campaign > but I don't know what I would put into it other than > the > Treasure Tables. :( > > Soon to come.....A full-text version of all Spells! > > --Ray. > > --- Havard Faanes wrote: > > > I'd also like to see a quick and easy Mystara D20 > > guide, but perhaps that could be made into a > separate > > document, possibly complementing the newbie guide? > > > ===== > If you have to choose between books and computers, > there's > no doubt which you should choose. You should choose > books. > --Bill Gates of Microsoft > ---------------------------------------------- > Geek Code: > GLS$ d- s:+ a C++ UL++++ P? L++ E---- W++ N+ o-- K- > w--- O? M- V-- PS+++ PE Y PGP- t+ 5-- X+++ R++ tv-- > b++ DI- D---- G-- e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ > ---------------------------------------------- > Don't tell me the RIAA are a bunch of hypocritical, > dishonest bastards! Now I have nothing left to > believe in. (www.slashdot.org) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:17:31 -0500 From: "john@johnhofmann.com" Subject: Re: Newbie guide This is exactly what was happening=2E There were too many people involved= and almost everyone on the the project was trying to cram 3rd edition into= the confines of the boxed set rules=2E There was just a fundamental divid= e between whether the limitations of the basic DnD rules were more important= or the flexibility of 3rd edition=2E As the owner of the Mystara 3e group, I still get email whenever someone posts, and I get email maybe 3 times a year now=2E It was a project doome= d to fail almost from the start=2E Original Message: ----------------- From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO=2ENO Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:49:41 +0100 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide --- shawn stanley wrote: > a quick and easy mystara d20=2E calling the mystara 3E > team =2E=2E=2E Yeah=2E=2E=2E That is something I'd love to see=2E The 3e team has done some great things, but it seems like the projects have been scattered too much all over, and that the group has been concentrating too much on altering every part of 3=2E5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd be interested in something "quick and dirty"=2E=2E=2E H=E5vard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www=2Ewizards=2Ecom/dnd/OtherWorlds=2Eas= p The Mystara Homepage: http://www=2Emystaranet=2Ejamm=2Ecom/vaults/default=2E= aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:18:07 -0800 From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: Newbie guide If all you need to do is the formatting / putting it all together for release, well I kinda specialize in that (and in editing). The almanac is already running late anyway, in good part because I don't have that much time for it, but I would enjoy working on compiling another Mystaran fanbook. I'd need the files or access to them, and directions concerning rules you want me to apply (otherwise I'll probably make it along similar lines as the MA). ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:01:18 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Shadow elf history problems --- Ville V Lähde wrote: > > I only now looked through your site. Of course I had > checked the stuff > before, but not now in connection to this > discussion. Wonderful site, by > the way. Thanks! I was hoping to present different views of Blackmoor, its location etc there, but there is still much unexplored... > It doesn't seem to take the post-3000BC axial shift > into account! I mean, > according to the old GAZ stuff the region of KW was > supposed to have been > under Polar Ice! (Now they are well below the polar > circle.) So the axial > shift would have to have been very dramatic, not > just a slight tilt that > the HW map suggests. You're right. The text from the old Gaz's do indeed suggest a much more dramatic shift in the planets axis (not that any shift wouldnt be dramatic!). > This is precisely what I meant - magical > explanations work well with a > good narrative. I really like this idea of elves > having a close connection > with the world. That would also add "magical > realism" to the elven history > in general: how they can befome seaborne or even > undersea creatures, move > underground with gnolls etc. Great idea. Perhaps a > small tract could be > written on the subject? Good ideas here. I like the idea of elves being able to dramatically change their "genetic sttructure" over perhaps as little as one generation. Perhaps this happens when an elf mother is pregnant, and she is able to change many traits of her child to better adapt to the surroundings. This may be concious, but perhaps more likely a subconcious response to the surroundings and the fact that elves are so much "one with nature". Håvard ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:04:37 -0800 From: Ray Allen Subject: Re: Newbie guide Yes. This would be great! Something like the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer. .....but..... Can it be OGC/OGL-ed? I'm not certain. My guess would be 'no' for an in-depth document but for an overview type document, it might be something that could be done. What about just starting over with converting K:KoA? It would have the same problem but at least it would be on a smaller scale. --Ray. --- Havard Faanes wrote: > > a quick and easy mystara d20. calling the mystara 3E > > team ... > > Yeah... > That is something I'd love to see. The 3e team has > done some great things, but it seems like the projects > have been scattered too much all over, and that the > group has been concentrating too much on altering > every part of 3.5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd be > interested in something "quick and dirty"... ===== If you have to choose between books and computers, there's no doubt which you should choose. You should choose books. --Bill Gates of Microsoft ---------------------------------------------- Geek Code: GLS$ d- s:+ a C++ UL++++ P? L++ E---- W++ N+ o-- K- w--- O? M- V-- PS+++ PE Y PGP- t+ 5-- X+++ R++ tv-- b++ DI- D---- G-- e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ ---------------------------------------------- Don't tell me the RIAA are a bunch of hypocritical, dishonest bastards! Now I have nothing left to believe in. (www.slashdot.org) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:06:46 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Newbie guide John, I am also a lurker on the list, but as you say, there isnt much going on there. I was under the impression that those people had moved the discussions over to private discussion groups, but I guess I was wrong about that. I never participated much on the list, mainly because I didnt have enough time, but also because I was one of those people who didnt care much for converting the whole OD&D feel over to Mystara. In the few short Mystara campaigns I have ran with 3e, I have kept mostly to the standard 3e rules and only made changes when absolutely neccesary. I can understand how disagreements easily can occurr about what is neccesary and what is not though. Håvard --- "john@johnhofmann.com" skrev: > This is exactly what was happening. There were too > many people involved > and almost everyone on the the project was trying to > cram 3rd edition into > the confines of the boxed set rules. There was just > a fundamental divide > between whether the limitations of the basic DnD > rules were more important > or the flexibility of 3rd edition. > > As the owner of the Mystara 3e group, I still get > email whenever someone > posts, and I get email maybe 3 times a year now. It > was a project doomed > to fail almost from the start. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO.NO > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:49:41 +0100 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > > > --- shawn stanley wrote: > > > a quick and easy mystara d20. calling the mystara > 3E > > team ... > > Yeah... > That is something I'd love to see. The 3e team has > done some great things, but it seems like the > projects > have been scattered too much all over, and that the > group has been concentrating too much on altering > every part of 3.5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd > be > interested in something "quick and dirty"... > > Håvard > > ===== > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:07:48 -0500 From: "john@johnhofmann.com" Subject: 3.5 mystara Hah! I wish you wouldn't have been just a lurker! It was tough because most of the people wanted to convert the Basic Dnd rules over to 3e =2E=2E=2E ie, elves HAD to be figher/wizards, paladin bec= ame a prestige class because the Basic rules said that you couldn't become a paladin until 9th level =2E=2E=2E that kind of thing=2E I can see the mer= it to that in some way, but it didn't make sense to throw out the best part of 3e=2E Who would want to play 3e Mystara then? A lot of the work DID move over to another group=2E There were a lot of reasons for that, some practical and some political, and I wasn't a part o= f it so I'm not privy to their discussions=2E By that time, 3e was availabl= e and I had a job and no time=2E Actually, a fresh start on the project would be a great idea=2E In my min= d, there are a few things that NEED to be tackled: -- descriptions of the nations=2E This doesn't involve rules and it sound= s like the n00bie guide might fill this requirement, should it get completed= -- descriptions of the immortals=2E This would involve rules =2E=2E=2E pi= cking domains and special abilities and blah blah blah=2E -- NPCs from the gazetteers -- a LIMITED number of prestige classes or feats=2E Think Hin Master=2E It's a big project, so starting small is probably the way to go =2E=2E=2E especially given the abysmal success rate of "open source" projects of any= kind=2E There were people on the wizards=2Ecom board that were interested in this,= by the way=2E Original Message: ----------------- From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO=2ENO Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:06:46 +0100 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide John, I am also a lurker on the list, but as you say, there isnt much going on there=2E I was under the impression that those people had moved the discussions over to private discussion groups, but I guess I was wrong about that=2E I never participated much on the list, mainly because I didnt have enough time, but also because I was one of those people who didnt care much for converting the whole OD&D feel over to Mystara=2E In the few short Mystara campaigns I have ran with 3e, I have kept mostly to the standard 3e rules and only made changes when absolutely neccesary=2E I can understand how disagreements easily can occurr about what is neccesary and what is not though=2E H=E5vard --- "john@johnhofmann=2Ecom" skrev: > This is exactly what was happening=2E There were too > many people involved > and almost everyone on the the project was trying to > cram 3rd edition into > the confines of the boxed set rules=2E There was just > a fundamental divide > between whether the limitations of the basic DnD > rules were more important > or the flexibility of 3rd edition=2E > > As the owner of the Mystara 3e group, I still get > email whenever someone > posts, and I get email maybe 3 times a year now=2E It > was a project doomed > to fail almost from the start=2E > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO=2ENO > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:49:41 +0100 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > > > --- shawn stanley wrote: > > > a quick and easy mystara d20=2E calling the mystara > 3E > > team =2E=2E=2E > > Yeah=2E=2E=2E > That is something I'd love to see=2E The 3e team has > done some great things, but it seems like the > projects > have been scattered too much all over, and that the > group has been concentrating too much on altering > every part of 3=2E5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd > be > interested in something "quick and dirty"=2E=2E=2E > > H=E5vard > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www=2Ewizards=2Ecom/dnd/OtherWorlds=2Easp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www=2Emystaranet=2Ejamm=2Ecom/vaults/default=2Easpx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message=2E > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www=2Ewizards=2Ecom/dnd/OtherWorlds=2Easp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www=2Emystaranet=2Ejamm=2Ecom/vaults/default=2Easpx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message=2E > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www=2Ewizards=2Ecom/dnd/OtherWorlds=2Eas= p The Mystara Homepage: http://www=2Emystaranet=2Ejamm=2Ecom/vaults/default=2E= aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE=2EWIZARDS=2ECOM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:43:16 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Campaign Cartographer Hi I would be very greatfull if you would mind sharing the set(s) of tiles (hexes) you created for CC with me.. Who knows, i might be converted !! Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st thibault-sarlat@wanadoo.fr clenariusfr@yahoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Corliss" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > Konnichiwa Teito-san, > > Hajimemashite! I use CC2-Pro extenseively. In fact, I > own every product ProFantasy has released except their > WWII Atlas (not much need for it). In fact, all of the > artwork on my website was done with them (yeah, I know > it desperately needs an update). Click around and have > a look: > > http://www.geocities.com/brendan_corliss > > Then there's this (done with Perspectives Pro add-on) > that has to be accessed directly: > > http://www.geocities.com/brendan_corliss/maps/sukiskyn.htm > > I love the whole line and have gotten alot of mileage > out of each product. They are as powerful as it gets > for making maps - bar none. However, they are not > necessarily easy to use at first. They are certainly > not ideal for the casual user. If you just want to > make super simple maps that look cool, you're probably > better off with something like Fractal Mapper. And of > course, if you are *only* doing hex-mapping, CC2 is > overkill. You may want to ask Thib what program he > uses for his extensive collection of hex maps. > > That said, if you really want to get into computer map > making, CC2-Pro is a 911 compared to the others being > Yugos. The initially steep learning curve is worth the > reward once you get used to the unique interface (it's > based on AutoCAD). The possiblities of what you can do > with it are literally endless. > > I would also respectfully disagree with Mr. Hoffman > concerning doing hex-maps. I created a set of tiles in > about half an hour using on CC2 (no add-ons). Now I > can do all kinds of hex maps - easily scalable > (8/24/48/72 miles per hex). There is also a new add-on > called Cosmographer, aimed primarily at Sci-Fi gamers, > that has some pre-generated hex symbols as well as > templates for using them. Of course this is an > additional expense and, as I said before, if you're > only doing hex-mapping, save some $£¥? and just get a > basic program. > > Hope this helps. And, no, I don't work for ProFantasy > - but they're some pretty cool folks (great customer > service). > > -Damon (Deimen-kun) > aka Brendan Corliss > Corliss Enterprises, Ltd. > Darokin City > > > ===== > May all your endeavors be Gold! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:04:47 -0800 From: Ray Allen Subject: Re: 3.5 mystara John, Outline the vision! :) Write up a document that outlines your goals and then just stick to them. There can't be any such thing as an "official" conversion as the fans don't own the setting, so this would have to be the next-best-thing. Just have something in your vision about "no arguing over piddling little things because you can always change it in your campaign." Maybe you should even rename it to "Quick and Dirty for the Mystara Gamer." :) After you have this, you can start setting goals for what to convert. BTW, I'll help if you are going to try to restart this. --Ray. --- "john@johnhofmann.com" wrote: > Hah! I wish you wouldn't have been just a lurker! > > It was tough because most of the people wanted to > convert the Basic Dnd > rules over to 3e ... ie, elves HAD to be > figher/wizards, paladin became a > prestige class because the Basic rules said that you > couldn't become a > paladin until 9th level ... that kind of thing. I can > see the merit to > that in some way, but it didn't make sense to throw out > the best part of > 3e. Who would want to play 3e Mystara then? > > A lot of the work DID move over to another group. > There were a lot of > reasons for that, some practical and some political, > and I wasn't a part of > it so I'm not privy to their discussions. By that > time, 3e was available > and I had a job and no time. > > Actually, a fresh start on the project would be a great > idea. In my mind, > there are a few things that NEED to be tackled: > > -- descriptions of the nations. This doesn't involve > rules and it sounds > like the n00bie guide might fill this requirement, > should it get completed > -- descriptions of the immortals. This would involve > rules ... picking > domains and special abilities and blah blah blah. > -- NPCs from the gazetteers > -- a LIMITED number of prestige classes or feats. > Think Hin Master. > > It's a big project, so starting small is probably the > way to go ... > especially given the abysmal success rate of "open > source" projects of any > kind. > > There were people on the wizards.com board that were > interested in this, by > the way. > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO.NO > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:06:46 +0100 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > > > John, > I am also a lurker on the list, but as you say, there > isnt much going on there. I was under the impression > that those people had moved the discussions over to > private discussion groups, but I guess I was wrong > about that. > > I never participated much on the list, mainly because > I didnt have enough time, but also because I was one > of those people who didnt care much for converting the > whole OD&D feel over to Mystara. > > In the few short Mystara campaigns I have ran with 3e, > I have kept mostly to the standard 3e rules and only > made changes when absolutely neccesary. I can > understand how disagreements easily can occurr about > what is neccesary and what is not though. > > Håvard > > > --- "john@johnhofmann.com" > skrev: > > This is exactly what was happening. There were too > > many people involved > > and almost everyone on the the project was trying to > > cram 3rd edition into > > the confines of the boxed set rules. There was just > > a fundamental divide > > between whether the limitations of the basic DnD > > rules were more important > > or the flexibility of 3rd edition. > > > > As the owner of the Mystara 3e group, I still get > > email whenever someone > > posts, and I get email maybe 3 times a year now. It > > was a project doomed > > to fail almost from the start. > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO.NO > > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:49:41 +0100 > > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > > > > > > --- shawn stanley wrote: > > > > > a quick and easy mystara d20. calling the mystara > > 3E > > > team ... > > > > Yeah... > > That is something I'd love to see. The 3e team has > > done some great things, but it seems like the > > projects > > have been scattered too much all over, and that the > > group has been concentrating too much on altering > > every part of 3.5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd > > be > > interested in something "quick and dirty"... > > > > Håvard > > > > ===== > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: > > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > > To unsubscribe, send email to > > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: > > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > > To unsubscribe, send email to > > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ===== > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: > http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ===== If you have to choose between books and computers, there's no doubt which you should choose. You should choose books. --Bill Gates of Microsoft ---------------------------------------------- Geek Code: GLS$ d- s:+ a C++ UL++++ P? L++ E---- W++ N+ o-- K- w--- O? M- V-- PS+++ PE Y PGP- t+ 5-- X+++ R++ tv-- b++ DI- D---- G-- e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ ---------------------------------------------- Don't tell me the RIAA are a bunch of hypocritical, dishonest bastards! Now I have nothing left to believe in. (www.slashdot.org) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:14:22 -0500 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Some real culture I happen to be in Texas right now, getting the real feel of the Texarias area. I would love to see real gauchos though. ============================================================ From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Date: 2005/01/28 Fri AM 12:50:32 EST To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: [MYSTARA] Some real culture It seem s crazy, but why don't you guys come to BRA, ARG & URU in order to see real "gauchos"? All the SC maniacs would get HUGE flavour in their campaigns... and the place is beautiful! With a 1USD = 2,70BRL currency conversion, it should be a VERY cheap travel for you guys. Any arrangements to be made? Let me know, I'd like to help. vini ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ============================================================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:48:27 -0600 From: Jeff Heikkinen Subject: Re: Newbie guide Havard Faanes wrote: > I never participated much on the [Mystara 3E] list, mainly because > I didnt have enough time, but also because I was one > of those people who didnt care much for converting the > whole OD&D feel over to Mystara. Maybe you dimly remember me from there, or maybe you don't. I fought a couple of aspects of the "0E Feel" you talk about, and finally quit in frustration, feeling that my views weren't getting a fair hearing. The person who was ultimately calling the shots didn't seem to listen to any of the active participants except Julian and trying to convince Julian of anything was like talking to a brick wall. The last straw was their incoherent compromise on the planes, which actually mangled BOTH the Mystara source material and the 3E canon - not because I disliked it (though I did, intensely) but because after that, the "benevolent dictator" of the list invited further discussion, I spent multiple hours on a message which I sent to that individual, and I never got a response. Sigh... But if it wasn't the planes, it would only have been something else. I have since accomplished about as much by myself as the group ever did, though my stuff won't be usable by the average Mystara fan (for example, it makes heavy use of Arcana Unearthed - the Flaems, for example, are Verrik, not humans). I'm not surprised to hear the group is even more dead than it was when I quit. > --- "john@johnhofmann.com" > skrev: > >> This is exactly what was happening. There were too >> many people involved >> and almost everyone on the the project was trying to >> cram 3rd edition into >> the confines of the boxed set rules. There was just >> a fundamental divide >> between whether the limitations of the basic DnD >> rules were more important >> or the flexibility of 3rd edition. >> >> As the owner of the Mystara 3e group, I still get >> email whenever someone >> posts, and I get email maybe 3 times a year now. It >> was a project doomed >> to fail almost from the start. >> >> Original Message: >> ----------------- >> From: Havard Faanes havardfaa@YAHOO.NO >> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:49:41 +0100 >> To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide >> >> >> --- shawn stanley wrote: >> >> >>> a quick and easy mystara d20. calling the mystara >> >> 3E >> >>> team ... >> >> Yeah... >> That is something I'd love to see. The 3e team has >> done some great things, but it seems like the >> projects >> have been scattered too much all over, and that the >> group has been concentrating too much on altering >> every part of 3.5 to fit with Mystara, whereas I'd >> be >> interested in something "quick and dirty"... >> >> Håvard >> >> ===== >> >> > > ******************************************************************** > >> The Other Worlds Homepage: >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> The Mystara Homepage: >> http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx >> To unsubscribe, send email to >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://mail2web.com/ . >> >> > > ******************************************************************** > >> The Other Worlds Homepage: >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> The Mystara Homepage: >> http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx >> To unsubscribe, send email to >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> > > > ===== > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:29:28 -0500 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Campaign Cartographer Did I send you the custom hexes? I have some light and heavy pine forest, black sand, volcanoe, and I just made coral reef and shipwreck. Maybe a couple more. Yeah, on NW, I'm basically doing it just for my campaign as the dominions and terrain are different from the M-almanac version. I have a lot of it drawn out at 4 miles/hex, but the map I'm working on is 24 mi/hex from Landfall to 150 miles N of the Great Bay. Actually my 4/mi/hex Leehashire map is in the Vaults. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thibault Sarlat" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer I have already made half of Norwold in 8m/hex using Hexmapper.(from northern Ethengar to Kildorkak and from eastern Wendar to Dunadale I am currently working on the northern part (from Kildorkak to the frozen steppes...and same width) One thing is important, maybe we should try to all work with the same set of hexes to ensure compatibility between our maps... at least we should share the more common hexes... thib > Message du 02/02/05 05:25 > De : "Dan Eustace" > A : MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > > Yeah, I like hexmapper, too. Started playing around with it the other day > for the 1st time in quite a while. I have 1/2 finished maps of Norwold > (IMC) and Wendar. But I did 1/2 a map of the Merry Pirate Seas at the large > HW map scale, that eventually I could use to make a 8 mile/hex version. > Starting to get a bit more free time again. Maybe I can actually get to > some of those M-almanac plots that I left hanging... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thibault Sarlat" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > > > > I do have the CC program, but even with the guide i have not spent the > > proper time to get it worked the way i want. > > i still think it's not as simple as an hexmapper, plus photoshop... > > > > plus i do have a preference for hex maps (at least for the campaign). I do > > agree however that CC is the absolute best for the handouts... > > > > but anyway, it's your call... > > > > Thibault Sarlat. > > > > ICQ 16622177. > > Personal homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st > > thibault-sarlat@wanadoo.fr > > clenariusfr@yahoo.fr > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thorfinn Tait" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Campaign Cartographer > > > > > > > SOL, eh? I actually had to look that one up... :-P > > > > > > As it happens I am very far from SOL in this case, but I'm still > > considering > > > Campaign Cartographer for my non-hex related mapping needs. But I have > to > > > justify spending the money to buy it, hence I'm looking for opinions of > > it. > > > Thanks for sharing yours! > > > > > > To buy or to make do with what I have now... Decisions, decisions. For > > now > > > I think I'll wait and see if anyone else responds. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Thorfinn > > > > > > ============================================ > > > Thorfinn Tait --------- thorf @ chokai.ne.jp > > > Land of the Rising Sun, 5 years and counting > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > CC is extremely powerful and makes beautiful maps. The only problem > is > > > > that there isn't a good way to do tiled hex maps. It can take > > > > some time to > > > > make a map with it, but the instructions are pretty good. > > > > > > > > It's great for making attractive player handouts, and it's even better > > for > > > > making DM maps ... unless you're attached to the hex format in which > > case > > > > you're SOL. > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:16:07 -0500 From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Newbie guide I looked over what we have again, and there are still a few things needed: Broken Lands, Heldann, and the introductory "About the KW/Mystara" sections. There could be more, but I only scanned thru the compiled file from Jan 2003. This thing is going on 5 years now! Man, I didn't realize it had been that long! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Furneaux" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > /lurk off > > Hi all, > > I believe we are just waiting on shawn to proof it. it's been sitting around gathering dust for a while. > > essentially it has a one page summary of all the nations of the known world AC1000. We may need an entry for the broken lands but other then that... I think it is written. We are waiting on proofing/editing and then formating/art needs to be finalised (final decisions on alphabetical, or geographical or gaz order of nations etc.) > > All the files for it so far are on the yahoo group for it. I'm not sure if it is an open group or not, but shawn is the owner of the group if you want to see if there is anything you can contribute. There has been some discussion about an expantion to it covering beyond the Known World that could be released at a later date. > > > Anyway on another topic for those of you that are interested I am now working full time at an architects office. So a bit of a change from the student lifestyle... although I havent decided if I will go back somestage. It's nice to see some prople returning to the list as of late tho. > > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "john@johnhofmann.com" > Sent: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:36:32 -0500 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > > > Is it posted anywhere that we could see? If it's 90% done and the project > lost steam, maybe we could finish it up? > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: la Volpe iuliusscaevola@YAHOO.IT > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:10:01 +0100 > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Newbie guide > > > It should be all without mechanics, and it's over 90% > complete, I believe. But we never put it together like > we should, and now I wait for inputs from the team > chief (and I don't even remember who it was...Shawn, > maybe?). > > Giulio > > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/default.aspx > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 1 Feb 2005 to 2 Feb 2005 (#2005-28) *************************************************************