Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 4 Sep 2006 to 5 Sep 2006 (#2006-147) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 06/09/2006, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 22 messages totalling 1024 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Aaron Allston hates dwarves! (11) 2. Could Dwarves sell books? (4) 3. Island Dwarves (4) 4. OT but of gaming interest...a new generation (3) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:33:35 +0200 From: la Volpe Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! > > However, the fact that you have Sea Elves, Dark > Elves, > > Jungle Elves, Winter Elves, Mountain Elves, Sky > Elves, > > Techno elves, Celtic Elves, Celestial elves, Wolf > > Riding Elves etc etc also helps making that race > more > > interesting. > > It's probably only my opinion, but that just makes > them more bland, > since these subraces are basically all preferred > environment + cool > human with pointy ears. > It may be good for selling books, but it's not good > for roleplaying > (there are exceptions, of course, the SE and the > Minrothad Water Elves > are good variants, while e.g. the HW variants are > quite bland). > > GP I completely agree with Giampaolo on this. Most elven subraces are incredibly uncharacteristic and bland. Mystara, luckily, happens to be superior, in this regard, to many other settings. The fact that you have a coherent history and specific racial features helps, rather than hinders, their depth. After all, otherwise, you just have "cool humans with pointy ears", like GP says. The point is that in the last years we have had a dangerous slip toward munchkinism and "cool" characters, rather than RPG. Legolas and the LOTR movies have had their BAD influence on our world, also in regard to dwarves being not cool. Personally I had been fascinated by dwarves in Tolkien's books; but if you see the movie, Gimly is a complete idiot and Legolas is one of the most flat characters of the movie. More or less a sniper with a bow instead of a handgun. Giulio ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:53:56 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! --- Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > Not necessarily. We don't know what happened to the > Kogolor Dwarves > during the Blackmoor era: maybe high technology > didn't catch their > interest -- modern Kogolor Dwarves are much less > interested in > technology than the Denwarf. Or maybe the clans that > went high tech > were annihilated like their human counterparts -- > only the Blackmoor > elves were saved, not the humans, the halflings or > any other race. You are right. Going by the assumption that Blackmoor was on Skothar, the Kogolors could easily be descendants of the Dwarven Goat herders of Brun who never (fully) went high tech. As far as we know the only "technofied" race saved and placed into the HW were the elves. "As far as we know" being an interesting phrase here. However, this does not rule out other non tech dwarven cultures all over say Brun who could have been placed in the HW by Kagyar or survived somehow. IMC the dwarves of the Bay of Thorin are direct ancestors of the dwarves of Blackmoor who somehow managed to survive the explosion and the Great Rain of Fire. > Yes, they may well have distinctive traits. But even > then, the > Rockhome clans already cover a lot of different > dwarven attitudes and > characters (and, IMO, are much more detailed and > interesting than the > elven clans of Alfheim, which might be another > reason while more > diversity is not needed with Dwarves, but it is with > elves). Anyway, > Alphatian dwarves are probably more similar to the > Burhodar, while the > Karameikan Dwarves are mostly Syrklist, IIRC. The Karameikan Dwarves have a clan of their own; the Stronghollow Clan. They could easily be related to the Syrklist, though likely they are also strongly influenced by Highforge Gnome culture. I think the alphatian and Thyatian dwarves should at least have as distinctive cultural traits as the existing Rockhome ones. > Considering that the Norse Dwarves are much more > rough and much less > lawful than Rockhome Dwarves (being outcasts), they > might make for an > interesting diversion, without going too far from > the established > image of the Dwarves. Yes, that sounds interesting. We could also make them more like the Dwarves of Norse Mythology without going all the way Morigswerg style... > Well, I don't consider halflings (and gnomes) a > major race -- while I > do include Lupins and Rakasta. As for Dwarves and, > even though there > aren't many different Dwarven civilization, there > are many dwarves: > the population of Rockhome is easily equal to or > higher than the > entire elven population of the surface -- and there > are probably more > Shadow Elves/Shattenalfen than surface elves. Good points on the population numbers. Why dont you consider Halflings a major race? They even have their own Relic.... > While there are some things from the OD&D rules that > I consider > important for the setting, they are usually > expressed in terms of > absence rather than presence ;) Lol :D > Anyway, few people played Halflings in OD&D, so > maybe they really > shouldn't be a major race (plus, between Leeha, 5 > Shires, Ierendi and > Darokin we already have as many of the pesky little > fellows as any > setting might ever want :P ) You are right, there are loads of them. I also think they should have quite a presence in Davania, which some fan material reflects IIRC. Again, it would be interesting to give them regional differences though. The Karameikos gaz states that Halflings usually adapt to surrounding cultures, but for the ones in Leeha at least a separate cultural identity would be appropriate IMO... > To me, it's ok if the "core" races are available in > the "core" areas > of the setting, but the rest of the world is > supposed to be exotic, so > different races would be much better. I dunno. I like the similar but different approach. Id like to see Hin, Elves, Dwarves and Gnomes on both Davania and Skothar as well as in the unexplored realms of Brun. Ofcourse they should be very different from their Known World cousins... Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:59:09 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! --- Giampaolo Agosta : > Seriously, I think that's the main point. Elves are > (supposedly) cool, > Dwarves are not -- part because of their physique, > part because of > their profession (engineers don't happen to be cool > :( ). :-( SUBRACES > It's probably only my opinion, but that just makes > them more bland, > since these subraces are basically all preferred > environment + cool > human with pointy ears. > It may be good for selling books, but it's not good > for roleplaying > (there are exceptions, of course, the SE and the > Minrothad Water Elves > are good variants, while e.g. the HW variants are > quite bland). I dont like subraces actually, so my example wasnt that good. But as you point out, the elves of Mystara have many different nations with many distinctively different cultures which is much more interesting than subraces. I would like to see the Ierendi Dwarves and the Morigswerg developed in a similar manner. Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:02:30 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! --- Chris Cherrington wrote: > Hmm... we could beef up the dwarves. There are some > holes to fill in. IMC, there was a clan left behind > in Glantri. Several Mages really took a dislike to > these dwarves and cursed them (they are my > equivalent of gully dwarves). I'm not so keen in bringing actual Gully Dwarves into Mystara (not that you are saying that), but a race of dwarves who have been experimented on by the Glantrians is a really interesting idea! :) > There is also the Denwarf question. Was he really > deep underground and asleep? Or was he building > other cultures of dwarves for Kagyar? Possibly > Kagyar could not change all the dwarven race to his > liking, or even he tried different ways. Then > Denwarf could be seen as a missionary bringing the > other lost clans in line. I like this! > Where are these other > clans? There could be one or two near ancient > Blackmoor, but they need to be very stealthy in > order to hide from all those elves that kept > exploring. Deeper underground would be an excellent > source. These lost clans must be very successful > for none of them made it to the Hollow World. Now > imagine running the Denwarf Civil War Campaign, and > having several units of Deep Dwarves coming to his > aid? IMC the Bay of Thorin region is home to several dwarven cultures, all descendants of the Blackmoor dwarves. Some live deep underground, some are technofiles and others are coastal/seagoing... Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:03:35 -0700 From: Joe Kelly Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! Ierendi? Did someone say Ierendi Dwarves. Very cool. Since my campaign is = in Freeport/ Pt. Siers which has a huge population of Half Orcs and = Dwarves.=20 Joe Joe Kelly Office Services Clerk DAVIS & COMPANY LLP Suite 2800, Park Place 666 Burrard Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6C 2Z7 Phone 604.643.6365 >>> havardfaa@YAHOO.NO 09/05/06 10:59am >>> --- Giampaolo Agosta : > Seriously, I think that's the main point. Elves are > (supposedly) cool, > Dwarves are not -- part because of their physique, > part because of > their profession (engineers don't happen to be cool > :( ). :-( SUBRACES > It's probably only my opinion, but that just makes > them more bland, > since these subraces are basically all preferred > environment + cool > human with pointy ears. > It may be good for selling books, but it's not good > for roleplaying > (there are exceptions, of course, the SE and the > Minrothad Water Elves > are good variants, while e.g. the HW variants are > quite bland). I dont like subraces actually, so my example wasnt that good. But as you point out, the elves of Mystara have many different nations with many distinctively different cultures which is much more interesting than subraces.=20 I would like to see the Ierendi Dwarves and the Morigswerg developed in a similar manner.=20 H=E5vard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp=20 The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com=20 To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM=20 with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:04:55 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Could Dwarves sell books? --- Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > There are only two options, either people starts > reconsidering some > factors that currently make Dwarves "not so cool" as > factors that make > them cool, or Dwarves change to adopt what is > considered cool. Since > the latter option would make them humans in disguise > (or, worse, elves > in disguise!), the only real option is that people > start finding > short, bearded, overweight engineers cool :) > That would indeed be useful too, since then I'd only > have to put on > some weight :P Hehe! :) Does indeed changing dwarves neccesarily mean that they will no longer be dwarves? Is there no way we can have different variants of dwarves who are maybe not "cool", but interesting and still remain dwarves? Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:09:14 -0700 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! > > There is also the Denwarf question. Was he really> > deep underground = and asleep? Or was he building> > other cultures of dwarves for Kagyar? P= ossibly> > Kagyar could not change all the dwarven race to his> > liking, o= r even he tried different ways. Then> > Denwarf could be seen as a mission= ary bringing the> > other lost clans in line.> > I like this! Depending on how "crazy" you play Denwarf, it could also be that his last m= issionary work left those clans just as crazy as him. There is a lot of ro= om for variants here; the slow progression of insanity as seen from various= clans. _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=3Dweather&FORM=3DWLMTAG= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:11:31 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! --- la Volpe wrote: > I completely agree with Giampaolo on this. Most > elven > subraces are incredibly uncharacteristic and bland. > Mystara, luckily, happens to be superior, in this > regard, to many other settings. The fact that you > have > a coherent history and specific racial features > helps, > rather than hinders, their depth. After all, > otherwise, you just have "cool humans with pointy > ears", like GP says. Yeah, I dont like subraces either, but the elven cultures of Mystara have specific racial features. Dwarven cultures with the same basis would be interesting IMO. > The point is that in the last years we have had a > dangerous slip toward munchkinism and "cool" > characters, rather than RPG. Legolas and the LOTR > movies have had their BAD influence on our world, > also > in regard to dwarves being not cool. Personally I > had > been fascinated by dwarves in Tolkien's books; but > if > you see the movie, Gimly is a complete idiot and > Legolas is one of the most flat characters of the > movie. More or less a sniper with a bow instead of a > handgun. I use the word cool alot, and it is often misunderstood. I agree that the blandness and munckinist factor should be avoided. Still, I have to admit that I was fascinated with Legolas in the movies, and although I occationally felt that same frustration that you mention seeing Gimli being mostly used as comic relief, I must admit it was pretty funny :) Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:12:31 -0700 From: Joe Kelly Subject: Re: Could Dwarves sell books? Sure Dwarves could sell books. They are great engineers. Just imagine the = tomes they probably have for all their engineering wonders. Books by the = dwarves are probably a well kept secret.=20 Joe Joe Kelly Office Services Clerk DAVIS & COMPANY LLP Suite 2800, Park Place 666 Burrard Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6C 2Z7 Phone 604.643.6365 >>> havardfaa@YAHOO.NO 09/05/06 11:04am >>> --- Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > There are only two options, either people starts > reconsidering some > factors that currently make Dwarves "not so cool" as > factors that make > them cool, or Dwarves change to adopt what is > considered cool. Since > the latter option would make them humans in disguise > (or, worse, elves > in disguise!), the only real option is that people > start finding > short, bearded, overweight engineers cool :) > That would indeed be useful too, since then I'd only > have to put on > some weight :P Hehe! :) Does indeed changing dwarves neccesarily mean that they will no longer be dwarves? Is there no way we can have different variants of dwarves who are maybe not "cool", but interesting and still remain dwarves? H=E5vard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp=20 The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com=20 To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM=20 with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:12:50 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! --- Joe Kelly wrote: > Ierendi? Did someone say Ierendi Dwarves. Very cool. > Since my campaign is in Freeport/ Pt. Siers which > has a huge population of Half Orcs and Dwarves. I cant remember the name of the island that has dwarves on in right now, but one of the islands does. It would be interesting if there were more details on them... :) Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:14:53 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Could Dwarves sell books? --- Chris Cherrington skrev: > One of the things that makes dwarves un-cool is > their history. In LOTR, they had a reason to > distrust elves, they also had a very grand past. In > Mystara they keep hiding away and only have a racial > distrust of elves, with no clear reason. In fact, > they have a racial tolerance to halflings, but with > the history of the Shires, I would see this as an > opposite effect. Maybe the dwarves that enslaved > the Hin are actually not Kagyar's dwarves and are > some other dwarf completely? I agree with Giampaolo that this could easily be the source of another dwarf culture existing somewhere on Mystara, possibly on the Five Shires Karameikos border or possibly in the ShadowDeep (Gwaithallin). Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:27:54 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Could Dwarves sell books? --- Joe Kelly skrev: > Sure Dwarves could sell books. They are great > engineers. Just imagine the tomes they probably have > for all their engineering wonders. Books by the > dwarves are probably a well kept secret. Lol! :) Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:29:14 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! --- Chris Cherrington : > Depending on how "crazy" you play Denwarf, it could > also be that his last missionary work left those > clans just as crazy as him. There is a lot of room > for variants here; the slow progression of insanity > as seen from various clans. I dont play him too crazy actually. IMC I'm thinking about having him cured and leading the dwarves into a new Golden Age. But then, I like dwarves. In case you havent noticed ;) Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:31:23 -0700 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! > I cant remember the name of the island that has> dwarves on in right now,= but one of the islands does.> It would be interesting if there were more d= etails on> them... :)> That would be Fortress Island in Minrothad. I start= ed to do some work with them for my Return to Rahasia and Elven Timeline se= ries. _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Liv= e Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:34:17 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Island Dwarves --- Chris Cherrington wrote: It would be interesting if there were more > details on> them... :)> That would be Fortress > Island in Minrothad. I started to do some work with > them for my Return to Rahasia and Elven Timeline > series. Ooops, my bad. Minrothad, not Ierendi. Still, the idea of Island Dwarves is pretty interesting. I also have some coastal dwarves in the Bay of Thorin region IMC... Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:57:57 -0700 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Island Dwarves IMC I use the Minrothad Dwarves as the dwarves that befriended the elves an= d built the temple of the Siswa from Rahasia. They are the only dwarves in= cannon that can be considered friendly towards the elves. (They were invi= ted by the Minrothad government, were the majority of power could be consid= ered elvish) Still, the dwarves came from Dengar and arrived around the same time dwarve= s were being expelled from Glantri. This is a very resent event, so the dw= arves have not had time to diverge from there Dengarian ways. =20 Most Mystaran Campaigns do not involve dungeon crawling that would benefit = from the dwarves' specialties.=20 _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Liv= e Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:05:10 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Island Dwarves --- Chris Cherrington wrote: > Still, the dwarves came from Dengar and arrived > around the same time dwarves were being expelled > from Glantri. This is a very resent event, so the > dwarves have not had time to diverge from there > Dengarian ways. It would make sense that they would use their crafts and affinity for engineering towards becoming great shipwrights though. Creating navigational equipment and even marine weaponry would be right up their alley. I could also imagine them being hired in to help constructing great Coastal Fortresses (ala Civ) to defend against naval attacks on the island cities... Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:35:15 -0700 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: Island Dwarves I believe the elves have cornered the market on ship building, they have be= en building ships and sailing the oceans when dwarves were still learning t= o herd goats. But the dwarves do know how to build with stone and make weapons. With Min= rothad's history of lycanthropy and a bunch of dwarves mining silver being = expelled, that sure does show a connection. I would suspect that Glantri's= Silver is possibly very potent against lycanthropes; being one of the majo= r reasons why Glantri has not mined the silver themselves. The dwarves on = Fortress Island were also invited right before Minrothad closed its doors t= o other immigrants. The dwarves have rebuilt the island with some very for= midable defenses, but are not known to be building any on other islands. A= re these dwarves secretly working with their stockpile of rare Glantrian Si= lver, creating masterwork silver weapons? Any powerful lycanthrope would w= ant to infiltrate and try to ruin this manufacturing. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=3D7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-= 685ee3e858fe= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 00:49:05 +0000 From: Darien Caliir Subject: OT but of gaming interest...a new generation Greetings all =20 I have suspended my lurking for the moment to share with you all a momentou= s occasion. Just recently I introduced my son, who is 8yrs old, to the wond= ers of gaming. He had watched me play several of the fantasy PC games and e= ven tried a couple himself. When I pointed out that most were based on D&D = (possibly just a little white lie) he was eager to try. To date the intrepi= d Brolin Awesome and his trusty bastard sword have completed 2 adventures. = One to rid the town of Hommlet of the evil smoke dragon, and the other to r= escue the unicorn Arden from some nasty goblins. Now he is constantly after= me to prepare the next adventure. =20 The sad part is that his teacher has forbidden him to discuss his adventure= s at school because she views them as a promotion of violence. The gains he= has made in his math skills apparently do not justify the way he has achie= ved them, in her eyes. =20 This leads to my request. One of my son's class projects is the collection = of postcards to aid them in learning about the world beyond what they see e= veryday. If anyone is able, would they mind sending a postcard to =20 Kyle Wyton 109 Regent Crescent Brandon, Manitoba, Canada R7B 3E4 =20 I intend to point out my son that, despite what his teacher says, there is = a wealth of intelligent, successful, people out there that are avid gamers.= And that playing D&D has not made warmongers of any of us. Outside the gam= ing room that is.lol =20 Thanks all=20 from a proud papa Kevin=20 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=3D5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-= 4911fb2b2e6d= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:35:22 -0700 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: OT but of gaming interest...a new generation Wow, that kind of logic is still out there? My parents, and my wife (at fi= rst), all thought the game was evil. I always pointed out the teamwork nec= essary for a group to survive was a very good lesson of life. I then follo= wed up with how Monopoly is the most evil game; the sole object of the game= is to bankrupt all your friends and family (there can be teamwork, but eve= ntually you need to bankrupt your partners too). The message finally got t= hrough, I am not allowed to play Monopoly with my wife and in-laws any more= . ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Liv= e Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:36:10 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Aaron Allston hates dwarves! Havard Faanes wrote: The point is not really what Allston thinks. That was just meant as an eye catcher topic name. The general assumption is that the dwarves of Alphatia, Thyatis and Karameikos are virtually indenical to those of Rockhome. But is it possible that they have developed different cultures? I tried to do something like what you suggest with the creation of the Filwarf dwarves of the Isle of Dawn. There is one article about them that I wrote on the Vaults, and Giulio Caroletti fleshed out the history I gave them a little bit more. I've had a lot of ideas about them, and never quite got them to be as different from mainland dwarves as I'd have liked (though Giampaolo's recent comment about the history of the KW dwarves with Glantri and the subsequent wizard/dwarf animosity- a trait that the Filwarves wouldn't share- has me thinking). I also intended/intend to do something similar with elvish cultures on the IoD, and making them less static than elvish cultures seem to generally be portrayed as well. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:09:00 -0700 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: OT but of gaming interest...a new generation I also have introduced my son who is 13 to the fun of a good DnD game. Too answer the question of the "evil" of DnD....once when I was about 16 my buddy and I were playing DA:3 The City of the Gods. About 2 hours into the game another friend called us and told us to stop playing that "silly little game" and come walking around town all night with him and some other guys. No details, but 4 hours later sitting in a squad car, I looked at my buddy and said, "we should have just stayed home and finished the adventure." Playing DnD as a teen kept me out of trouble. I never went out looking for fun at the expense of others...not while I had a good adventure idea in my head. Tell your son to be expecting a post card from Texas Darien Caliir wrote: Greetings all I have suspended my lurking for the moment to share with you all a momentous occasion. Just recently I introduced my son, who is 8yrs old, to the wonders of gaming. He had watched me play several of the fantasy PC games and even tried a couple himself. When I pointed out that most were based on D&D (possibly just a little white lie) he was eager to try. To date the intrepid Brolin Awesome and his trusty bastard sword have completed 2 adventures. One to rid the town of Hommlet of the evil smoke dragon, and the other to rescue the unicorn Arden from some nasty goblins. Now he is constantly after me to prepare the next adventure. The sad part is that his teacher has forbidden him to discuss his adventures at school because she views them as a promotion of violence. The gains he has made in his math skills apparently do not justify the way he has achieved them, in her eyes. This leads to my request. One of my son's class projects is the collection of postcards to aid them in learning about the world beyond what they see everyday. If anyone is able, would they mind sending a postcard to Kyle Wyton 109 Regent Crescent Brandon, Manitoba, Canada R7B 3E4 I intend to point out my son that, despite what his teacher says, there is a wealth of intelligent, successful, people out there that are avid gamers. And that playing D&D has not made warmongers of any of us. Outside the gaming room that is.lol Thanks all from a proud papa Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.

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