Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 29 Jan 2006 to 30 Jan 2006 (#2006-16) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 31/01/2006, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 2 messages totalling 129 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Flaems (was: Flaem race and culture?) (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:08:47 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Flaems (was: Flaem race and culture?) --- Andrew Theisen wrote: > So something else must have occurred. The Temples of > Rad must have been organized long prior to the Gaz > era. I had supposed once (in a thread on the MMB) > that > possibly Simon d'Ambreville may have been the one to > organize the temples, prior to being driven out of > Glantri (because, IMC, Simon is a sinister > evangelistic sort of priest). Ah, I seem to recall you mention something like this before. Interesting! > Your suggestion might work, though- have the Temples > of Rad be an offshoot of the old Flaemish > "religion"- > once the Radiance was discovered and studied (which > began to happen during the course of the Dragon* > series), and the more blatantly sacred aspects of > the > religion were eliminated by the increasingly > intolerant Flaems. Then, when Etienne returned, he > simply assumed the aspect and name of "Rad", thus > gaining himself a nation of followers, and expanding > his power levels greatly. Interesting. I think it is likely though that the Flaems of Old Alphatia must have had some immortal patrons (Razud, Zugzul, Ixion?), but these may have been abandoned when the Flaems left that world. The reverence of fire itself would have been kept and gradually turned into the Temples of Rad (Perhaps a Flaemish word for fire, or a reference to the heat/light radiated by fire). > Alphaks didn't become Immortal until after the > destruction of Alphatia, and the Flaems were not his > followers (note that this is a later addendum to the > infofmation in Gaz3, which had the Flaemish as > originally Alphaks the Immortals' followers. Later > products- notably DotE- note that Alphaks was mortal > at the time.) Ah, I must have gotten my sources mixed up there. Thanks for clarifying this. > From Gaz3, in fact, it seems like the Flaemish > ancestors actually despise Alphaks for his role in > causing the destruction of their home and their > subsequent wanderings. Page 16 of Gaz3 notes that > Alphaks is a common foe of the Flaems and the > Alphatians in Glantri, and DotE mentions that when > the > Flaems arrived on Mystara, they were free of > Alphaks' > taint. This all seems to indicate that there was some link between the Flaems and Alphaks though. Didn't Alphaks represent those who opposed the Followers of Air? Perhaps Alphaks' situation was paralell to that of Rad in that he joined an already existing cult which he eventually took over and used to become an immortal, eventually destroying Alphatia? Alphaks sounds like a Nero-like character to me, wishing to set his own Empire on fire. (although in the end it was Air that destroyed it). HÃ¥vard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:44:33 -0400 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Flaems (was: Flaem race and culture?) You've got me thinking about Terry Pratchet's "Small Gods" and just why DID Emperor Alphaks help to push his world to armageddon. Trying to image an Alphatian origin for part of the Ochalean culture I contemplated Alphak's motivations and decided that the destruction of Alphatia Prime was part of his path to immortality as was a planar banishment. He intended all along to directly destroy Alphatia. =20 However it turns out that ultimately the Air school does this.=20 Furthermore he was, during the civil war, advised by another immortal of Entropy. That immortal may have been Thanatos or it may have been a small god, a bitter entity that once was powerful but had been abandoned by its worshippers. Or maybe both. On 30/01/06, Havard Faanes wrote: > --- Andrew Theisen wrote: > This all seems to indicate that there was some link > between the Flaems and Alphaks though. Didn't Alphaks > represent those who opposed the Followers of Air? > Perhaps Alphaks' situation was paralell to that of Rad > in that he joined an already existing cult which he > eventually took over and used to become an immortal, > eventually destroying Alphatia? Alphaks sounds like a > Nero-like character to me, wishing to set his own > Empire on fire. (although in the end it was Air that > destroyed it). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 29 Jan 2006 to 30 Jan 2006 (#2006-16) ***************************************************************