Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 3 Jan 2006 to 4 Jan 2006 (#2006-2) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 05/01/2006, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 5 messages totalling 321 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The Nature of Magic (5) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:11:59 +0100 From: Federico Kaftal Subject: The Nature of Magic Somebody has suggested, in terms of 3E, a deeper link between the Radiance and Wizardry as opposed to other sources of Magic and Sorcery; I suggest it might be the opposite: since we know from Gaz3 that Radiance usage ultimately produces the disappearance of natural (i.e. inherently) magical beings, such as Elves, Dragons, etc. then we might infer that Radiance affects Sorcery (a natural gift for channelling Magic) rather than Wizardry - even though both "ways" appeal to the same kind of force (that we call "Magic") since ultimately Wizardry is doomed too. Federico ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:54:45 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: The Nature of Magic --- Federico Kaftal skrev: > Somebody has suggested, in terms of 3E, a deeper > link between the Radiance and Wizardry as opposed to other sources of Magic > and Sorcery; I suggest it might be the opposite: since we know from Gaz3 that > Radiance usage ultimately produces the disappearance of natural > (i.e. inherently) magical beings, such as Elves, Dragons, etc. then we might > infer that Radiance affects Sorcery (a natural gift for channelling > Magic) rather than Wizardry - even though both "ways" appeal to the same kind of > force (that we call "Magic") since ultimately Wizardry is doomed too. Interesting Federico, it seems to me that Sorcerers would be considered magical creatures same as elves and Dragons and would also be dependant on the presence of some magic existing in the world to survive... I am actually wondering how this lack of magic will affect magical creatures in practical terms. Will Mystara then be considered a hostile environment for such creatures slowly killing them off unless they leave the plane/planet? Håvard Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:09:07 -0800 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: The Nature of Magic I do agree with you here but i remember reading that overusing the radiance would cause Magic as a whole to become rare and finally cease to exist. this is one part that i can understand to justify the caution one must use when calling upon the radiance (because it has heavy concequences on the magic in all Mystara), but then having it really endanger magical species and tapping the last magic out of Mystara is another matter (if you allow me). thib --- Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > I have been thinking recently about the nature of > > magic on Mystara. We know that: > > I don't really agree with assumption 1. Actually the > NoS is the source of Radiance magic, not all magic: only wizards who > use the Radiance affect the Rad level of Mystara, and they use it to > power effects not normally available to other wizards. > > GP > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:14:37 -0800 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: The Nature of Magic i find this idea quite interesting. good hooks for a campaign (even one with time travel) something that has been lost can always be found again... This could also be a natural course of the multiverse to go from one period of over magic to a magic poor period. This would explain why big and powerful magical empires have collapsed over the centuries while nothing out of the ordinary and no major ennemy has risen against them. thib --- Jason Murphy wrote: > Just Musing here. But has anyone toyed with a > campaign where a serious drain > of magic occurred in the distant past making Mages, > magical races extremely > rare. > Then perhaps running the campaign during a period > where magic is gradually > returning to Mystara. > ie NOS drains magic.....but the source of magic can > gradually replenish. > > > On 1/4/06, Dan Eustace wrote: > > > > > I don't really agree with assumption 1. Actually > the NoS is the source > > > of Radiance magic, not all magic: only wizards > who use the Radiance > > > affect the Rad level of Mystara, and they use it > to power effects not > > > normally available to other wizards. > > > > The NoS is NOT the source of all magic. As > already pointed out, magic > > existed before the NoS did. What the NoS does do > is enhance the magical > > ability of those who can tap ito it (and many of > the radiance spells are > > Energy-related). But, the more the NoS is tapped > into, the more overall > > magic that is drained from all of Mystara. This > was the effect of a > > "curse" > > put on the NoS by Immortals of the other spheres > to help maintain the > > overall balance of power, since ultimate mastery > of the NoS leads to > > Immortality in the sphere of Energy w/o requiring > an Immortal > > sponsor. This > > is what WotI was all about. Rad would not stop > his experiments w. the NoS > > despite the risk of draining all magic, and Ixion > would not allow that to > > happen. > > > > That being said, certainly a case can be made for > the NoS and the nature > > of > > magic being tied to all of the Spheres. There are > clearly spells that are > > primarily based on each one of the Spheres. My > take is that magic would > > indeed contain elements of all of the spheres, but > that Energy would be > > the > > primary means of access, with some level of > domiance over the other > > spheres, > > when taking magic as a whole. > > > > >The connection between elements and the spheres > has always been pretty > > weak; > > >immortals of matter don't have any more power > over elemental earth in and > > of > > >themselves than any other immortals, for example. > > > > In the original gold box Immortals set, every > spell was designated to a > > specific sphere, and there was a fairly involved > system where Immortals > > were > > stronger in their own Sphere's magic. I'd need to > dig deep to find the > > details on that, though. > > > > Dan > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > Thibault SARLAT a.k.a Clenarius www.mystara.fr.st ICQ 16622177 MSN Messenger: clenarius@hotmail.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:44:23 +0100 From: Marco Fossati Subject: Re: The Nature of Magic I am actually wondering how this lack of magic will affect magical creatures in practical terms. Will Mystara then be considered a hostile environment for such creatures slowly killing them off unless they leave the plane/planet? Håvard I ran a campaign a lot of years ago ( I think I was under 18). It was settled in a Glantri in a far future when the abuse of NoS had created as consequence a fast lack of magic. I had a crazy idea to explain the disappering of magical races, (at that time i thought it was funny), so I stated that killing them (pixies, dragons, nymphs...even elves) was the only opportunity to regain magical power (i.e. increase level, gain new spells etc..). A lot of mages so started hunts in search of such creatures in order the drain their magic from their inner life. I think I can still find the rules I wrote about it if someone's interested Marco Fossati --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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