Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Feb 2006 to 28 Feb 2006 (#2006-37) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 01/03/2006, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 487 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. TCR: Decimus Ordekis 2. This List was Security Risk (2) 3. Blackmoor (6) 4. Messages log 5. Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page (was: Blackmoor) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:28:38 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: TCR: Decimus Ordekis Here's a new Thyatian NPC (this one never even managed to get into the TCR website...) Hope you like him, GP Lord Decimus Ordekis Ambassador to the Minrothad Guilds, AC 991 - AC 1016 Senator of the Empire, AC 1016 - current Born AC 953 in Thyatis City Appearance Decimus is a typical Thyatian, short and olive skinned, with black hair and beard, both of which are trimmed short, and are becoming grey with age. He still shows his military background in his well muscled figure, and is a frequent customer of the best thermes and training grounds of the imperial capitol. In public, he is always carefully dressed in the formal clothings of his rank, and he only adopts informal clothes when in his villa in the outskirts of Julinius. History Decimus Ordekis was the offspring of the Senatorial family , but he had no chances of inheriting the family leadership, which was destined to his cousin Tiberius. Therefore, Decimus joined the army when he was 17, reaching easily the rank of lieutenant, thanks to his discipline and his family's influence. His cohort was assigned to a border region on the Isle of Dawn, where he impressed his superiors with his unusual skill in managing the relations with the natives. At age 30, he was a captain in the Thyatian Legions, and is diplomatic skill had grown so much that his General, Jarandros Monikas, who was leaving the army to become Ambassador to the Kingdom of Alfheim, asked Decimus to follow him as first aide. Decimus, tired with the military life, accepted and moved to Alfheim, were he honed his language and social skill. In AC 991, the position of Ambassador to the Minrothad Guilds became open after the rescission of the Isolation Act by Ruling Guildmaster Oran Meditor. By AC 1000, Lord Ordekis clever moves had brought Minrothad in the sphere of influence of the Thyatian Empire. The War of the Wrath, however, disrupted Decimus' efforts, and he was busy trying to keep at least a minimum of commercial relations with the Guilds during the darkest hours of the Empire. After the Sinking of Alphatia, the political landscape was totally and permanently altered, and Decimus could push the Minrothaddans into giving favourable conditions to the Thyatian merchants. Decimus' work reached its maximum achievement when, in 1016, Guildmaster Meditor accepted the annexation of Minrothad to the Empire. As Decimus stepped down from his charge, Emperor Eusebius awarded his continuous efforts for the Empire by putting forth his candidature to the Senate, which was voted by a large majority. Decimus had little time in the past years for his private life, and he is not married. However, during his time in Alfheim he had an affair with an elven lady, who gave him a daughter, Livia (b. 987, 1/2E F5/M4, NG), who is a lieutenant in the Retebius Air Fleet. Personality Decimus Ordekis is a calm, orderly person, with extremely regular habits. He has few friends, since he spent the longest part of his life abroad, and enjoys it that way. The more he gets old, the less he likes crowds, preferring his villa to the Domus Ordekia in the City. Politically, he stands strongly for the Emperor, but is considered near to the Philosophers faction because of his preference for diplomatic solutions to political problems, and for his dislike of the Church's involvement in politics. He personally does not follow any Church or Immortal, and though he recognizes the importance of the clergy in the Empire he always thought that the Empire cannot be guided by the desires of a Church, just as a body cannot be guided by the desires of a single limb. Statistics Human (Thyatian) 7th level Noble Fighter, LG Str 12, Int 13, Wis 14, Dex 11, Con 11, Cha 15 Weapon Proficiencies: Gladius (Short Sword, spec.), Pilum (Javelin), Sica (Dagger), Ensis falcata (Sabre), Light lance. Languages: Thyatian, Patois, Daro. Non-weapon Proficiencies: R/W Thyatian, Riding (Horse), Military Tactics (Thyatian Legion), Etiquette, Heraldry, Oratory, Law. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:13:37 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: This List was Security Risk Hi. I just noticed that the list posted online with our e-mails published (or at one time did). I am getting growing and growing amount of spam. By publishing out actual e-mails online, this will just encourage automated programs that collect e-mail addresses to send spam to us. The web posting feature seems to have shut it off now, but I was just really concern when my name starts showing with an e-mail address from a simple google search. :( 90% of mail in one of my addresses is spam. :( - joaquin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:13:40 -0600 From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: This List was Security Risk Well, that explains why I have been suddenly getting spam... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joaquin Menchaca" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] This List was Security Risk > Hi. > > I just noticed that the list posted online with our > e-mails published (or at one time did). I am getting > growing and growing amount of spam. > By publishing out actual e-mails online, this will > just encourage automated programs that collect e-mail > addresses to send spam to us. > > The web posting feature seems to have shut it off now, > but I was just really concern when my name starts > showing with an e-mail address from a simple google > search. :( > > 90% of mail in one of my addresses is spam. :( > > - joaquin > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:46:28 -0500 From: Gilles Leblanc Subject: Blackmoor How well does the DDA 1-4 series of modules ( Adventures in Blackmoor, Temple of the Frog, City of the Gods, The Duchy of Ten ) fit in with the rest of the Mystara material. In WoTI a spaceship the Beagle which had crashed with nuclear techonolgy on Mystara a long time ago had introduced the Nucleus of Spheres in Mystara. >> From what I had read I had assumed that this spaceship was the introduction which gave nuclear technology to Blackmoor and that they had an accident making a nuclear holocaust, the great rain of fire. DDA1 presents a mediaval Blackmoor which I guess is from before the Nuclueu= s of Spheres. I also remember reading somewhere that the poeple of Blackmoor used wild magic which they infused with science which led to their superiority. On another account, if you read Rafiel's story he was a nuclear physicist who survived the rain of fire. His picture in the Shadow Elf Gaz puts him with glasses, he resembles a modern man. All these accounts seem to clash in my mind. From WoTI I see a spaceship crashing and giving technology to a medieval kingdom. DDA1 ( I have no access to DDA 2-4 ) seems to present a medieval kingdom which develops technology on it's own with the use of magics and Rafiel's story seems to present a futuristic society which has a good understanding of nuclear forces. -- If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human fac= e ...for ever. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:06:13 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Blackmoor In DDA3 (City of the Gods) the adventurer's explore the ship. Ship crashes outside Blackmoor. Explorers investigate and eventually they reverse engineer enough to make leaps and bounds. Becoming a dominant power in the region the Great Rain of Fire happens (never fully explained but most is a nuke or 12 went off) tilting the planet and altering Mystara forever. Honestly with everything that's been written there are so many different versions of what happen, when, and with whom (the only common factors are ship lands, blackmoor uses tech, tech blows up). I've gotten to the point that I just choose what I want out of it and use it along with locations and events. Gilles Leblanc wrote: > How well does the DDA 1-4 series of modules ( Adventures in Blackmoor, > Temple of the Frog, City of the Gods, The Duchy of Ten ) fit in with the > rest of the Mystara material. > > In WoTI a spaceship the Beagle which had crashed with nuclear techonolgy on > Mystara a long time ago had introduced the Nucleus of Spheres in Mystara. > >From what I had read I had assumed that this spaceship was the introduction > which gave nuclear technology to Blackmoor and that they had an accident > making a nuclear holocaust, the great rain of fire. > > DDA1 presents a mediaval Blackmoor which I guess is from before the Nuclueus > of Spheres. I also remember reading somewhere that the poeple of Blackmoor > used wild magic which they infused with science which led to their > superiority. > > On another account, if you read Rafiel's story he was a nuclear physicist > who survived the rain of fire. His picture in the Shadow Elf Gaz puts him > with glasses, he resembles a modern man. > > All these accounts seem to clash in my mind. From WoTI I see a spaceship > crashing and giving technology to a medieval kingdom. > DDA1 ( I have no access to DDA 2-4 ) seems to present a medieval kingdom > which develops technology on it's own with the use of magics and Rafiel's > story seems to present a futuristic society which has a good understanding > of nuclear forces. > > -- > If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face > ...for ever. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:44:41 -0800 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Blackmoor Gilles Leblanc wrote: All these accounts seem to clash in my mind. From WoTI I see a spaceship crashing and giving technology to a medieval kingdom. DDA1 ( I have no access to DDA 2-4 ) seems to present a medieval kingdom which develops technology on it's own with the use of magics and Rafiel's story seems to present a futuristic society which has a good understanding of nuclear forces. As Daniel pointed out in another response, in DA3: City of the Gods, the spaceship Beagle is first introduced (and it is discussed somewhat in DA2: Temple of the Frog as well). During the course of that module, the PCs may strike a bargain with Bork Riesling, Captain of the Beagle, the exact terms of which aren't stated, but might involve an exchange of technology (very limited- Bork is a rigid adherent to the "Prime Directive", although he's flexed its limits a bit). They might also just raid the ship on their own and acquire some technology for themselves (as the Sand People have done- note the Sand Folk have also received aid from Riesling). In any case, the Blackmoorians are noted to know about the strange "magics" of the Beagle, and to have acquired some of their own, as have others in the region (the renegade Beagle security officer Stephen Rocklin and his Froggies; the Sand Folk). It is pretty reasonable to assume that the technology of the Beagle- in some fashion or another- makes its way into Blackmoor's scientific breakthroughs (be it as inspiration for further development, reverse engineering, some combination of the above, what-have-you). Also, Blackmoor University is noted as having its own innovative technological advances outside of anything provided by the Beagle. In Zeitgeist Games' version of Blackmoor, it seems to be largely steam powered sorts of devices, as well as some magical innovations on/with technology- I'd imagine the same holds true for the Mystara version of Blackmoor U. as well. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:36:35 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Blackmoor IIRC There's a 200-500 year gap between the ship crashing and the GRoF. Enough time to reverse engineer, trade, more lax restrictions on who does what etc. I also believe I read somewhere that the Immortals changed the way the world worked as far as the old tech goes so that another GRoF would never happen again. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:42:31 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes - USP Solar" Subject: Re: Blackmoor At 16:44 28/2/2006, you wrote: > Gilles Leblanc wrote: All these accounts seem to clash in my mind. From WoTI I see a spaceship > crashing and giving technology to a medieval kingdom. > DDA1 ( I have no access to DDA 2-4 ) seems to present a medieval kingdom > which develops technology on it's own with the use of magics and Rafiel's > story seems to present a futuristic society which has a good understanding > of nuclear forces. > > As Daniel pointed out in another response, in DA3: City of the Gods, the spaceship Beagle is first introduced (and it is discussed somewhat in DA2: Temple of the Frog as well). During the course of that module, the PCs may strike a bargain with Bork Riesling, Captain of the Beagle, the exact terms of which aren't stated, but might involve an exchange of technology (very limited- Bork is a rigid adherent to the "Prime Directive", although he's flexed its limits a bit). They might also just raid the ship on their own and acquire some technology for themselves (as the Sand People have done- note the Sand Folk have also received aid from Riesling). > > In any case, the Blackmoorians are noted to know about the strange "magics" of the Beagle, and to have acquired some of their own, as have others in the region (the renegade Beagle security officer Stephen Rocklin and his Froggies; the Sand Folk). It is pretty reasonable to assume that the technology of the Beagle- in some fashion or another- makes its way into Blackmoor's scientific breakthroughs (be it as inspiration for further development, reverse engineering, some combination of the above, what-have-you). > > Also, Blackmoor University is noted as having its own innovative technological advances outside of anything provided by the Beagle. In Zeitgeist Games' version of Blackmoor, it seems to be largely steam powered sorts of devices, as well as some magical innovations on/with technology- I'd imagine the same holds true for the Mystara version of Blackmoor U. as well. Dear Andrew, isn't Zeitgeist's Blackmoor done by Dave "God" Arneson just like Mystara's? If so, would he disagree with himself? Thanks in advance, Vini ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:56:48 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes - USP Solar" Subject: Messages log Hi, friends! Is there any place where this group's msgs are stored? I lost my HD and with it many good msgs I'd love to refer to. Thanks in advance, Vini ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:01:54 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes - USP Solar" Subject: Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page (was: Blackmoor) At 15:46 28/2/2006, you wrote: > How well does the DDA 1-4 series of modules ( Adventures in Blackmoor, > Temple of the Frog, City of the Gods, The Duchy of Ten ) fit in with the > rest of the Mystara material. Is that material mentioned on Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page? Do you guys think that there is something valuable for Mystara-Blackmoor that is not there? (SNIP) Once again, I thank you people. vini ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:36:46 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Blackmoor The current Blackmoor takes place shortly after it's break from Thonia. I honestly don't remember if the Mystara stuff got shoehorned in with Blackmoor or what, I honestly don't see anything connected to Mystara to appear in the 3.5 books unless it's so interwoven that there's no choice. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Feb 2006 to 28 Feb 2006 (#2006-37) ***************************************************************